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Make My Love Go

Ceryfication source doesnt works. Eurohunter (talk) 10:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: you mean the Netherlands certification website? No, it doesn't – there's nothing we can do about it, so please don't use it. Richard3120 (talk) 11:37, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I just found it in article, its wrong generated and unsourced at this moment. Eurohunter (talk) 11:42, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
The problem is that it used to work, but the NVPI removed the certifications from its website about two years ago, so none of them work now. Richard3120 (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm sure it never worked correctly and there was archived some 2008 certyfications only. This single been released last year and entered Dutch charts in end of February. Eurohunter (talk) 22:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
It did use to work, then as you correctly say, later it just showed some 2008 certifications, and now it doesn't show anything. Anyway, you are right about this song - it's from 2016 when the certifications weren't working at all, so I have no idea where the editor got the certification from. It should probably be deleted if we can't find a source for it. Richard3120 (talk) 22:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
It been added here. Eurohunter (talk) 17:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

August Rigo link please

Hello, can we link August Rigo to his wikipedia page? He wrote this song as well as the new song Tough Love on Chris Brown's Heartbreak on a Full Moon album.

Sources

Hello. Replacement of the Discogs sources by iTunes or other shop is it positive and correct move? Is there a list It contains potential (common) banned sources? Eurohunter (talk) 08:24, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

It depends what is being sourced. The problematic edits may be tagging the Discogs sources. Please explain what is being sourced. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Date of single or album release in biography. Eurohunter (talk) 21:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Btw. which wikiproject is alive yet to ask there about musician biography? Eurohunter (talk) 21:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Discogs doesn't usually have a release date, it usually has a release year next to a label, Released. As for using iTunes or Amazon for an album release date, it's a primary source, but not particularly controversial, and is usually better than Discogs.
The project you might be looking for is Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:17, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Eurohunter (talk) 19:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

One-hit wonder inclusion criteria

If you're interested in the topic, your comments would be appreciated at Talk:List of 2010s one-hit wonders in the United States#Inclusion criteria where there is a discussion with sweeping ramifications about whether the "one-hit wonder" articles will be based on charting songs or on artists described in sources. Binksternet (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Redlinks for songwriters etc

I started a (now deleted) conversation on User:Ss112's talk page, which I thought might be worth bringing to a wider discussion, about redlinks for the songwriters who do not already have articles.

It seems to be usual practice to not redlink composers and suchlike - Ben Billions, one of the songwriters in the original conversation, is mentioned over 100 times on Wikipedia, but never linked, and very few articles have composer redlinks; which means that anyone who does create that article (which I think should be created, as there are now plenty of sources for notability - [1] [2] [3]) will need to go through and link them all.

WP:REDLINKS summary is "Red links for subjects that should have articles but do not, are not only acceptable, but needed in the articles. They serve as a clear indication of which articles are in need of creation, and encourage it. Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject." In other words, we have a permissive standard for what should be redlinked.

Given that songwriters listed in an article pretty much intrinsically meet WP:COMPOSER - "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition" - I would suggest they meet the rather low bar set by WP:REDLINKS and should be redlinked to encourage creation of articles; or at least redlinks should not be removed if present. TSP (talk) 16:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Those notability criteria are not usually stand-alone. If the songwriter doesn't have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the writer, a singe co-write on a single charting song is not enough to merit an article. Common sense here really. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Seconded. Unless there's some particular reason to think a writer is specifically meeting the WP:GNG, they should not be red linked. Just having some writing credits is not good enough, and if one continued on to create these articles on this premise, they'd probably end up with a lot of WP:INHERITED issues leading to deletions and redirects. Sergecross73 msg me 23:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. That just seems out of line with what WP:REDLINKS says. The policy says that redlinking is good, and redlinks should be added for things that might be plausible articles, and almost never removed. Current practice for people on song pages seems to functionally be to basically never redlink; as it's hard to think when it would be obvious that a writer definitely met the notability requirements unless they already have an article. TSP (talk) 00:27, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Kyle West

I saw this wikiepdia article for songwriter Kyle West, my dad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Kyle_West But can't seem to link his 50 or so songwriter and producer credits here on wikipedia either. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/kyle-west-mn0000107983 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netsfan4ever (talkcontribs) 23:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

MetroLyrics

MetroLyrics no longer uses the LF (LyricFind) logo to identify "official" or presumably licensed song lyrics. Now, it appears the only way to tell is to click on "edit lyrics" and see whether it reads

"Locked: [X] Lyrics
The lyrics to this song are deemed official and accurate, and are subsequently locked."

instead of

"Edit: [X] Lyrics
Submit Corrections"

Some lyrics which were previously marked with the LF logo now are not locked and can be edited. Since MetroLyrics links were added to thousands of song articles by a bot, this could affect a large number of articles. It may be time to reconsider whether the benefits of including MetroLyrics links outweigh the reliability issues (frequently miscredited songwriters, etc.).

Meanwhile, propose to change the MetroLyrics entry wording at WP:MUSIC/SOURCES#List of unreliable sources (with link to relevant discussion) and WP:SONG#LYRICS to remove "lyrics with LF logo" and add "lyrics that are 'Locked' (unable to be edited by users) are acceptable". If there are no objections, I'll make the changes. —Ojorojo (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I support that change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with it too. I never saw much of a benefit anyways. Lyrics don't really seemed like something an encyclopedia would track to me anyways, even as ELs, not to mention how easy it is to just Google "Song X lyrics" and get 20 different relevant websites anyways. Sergecross73 msg me
Completely agree with you Sergecross73, providing complete song lyrics on Wikipedia just seems like a variation of WP:NOTDIR to me - I support Ojorojo's proposed changes too. Richard3120 (talk) 15:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm reading that we are in favour of completely removing the lyrics from the EL section not just removing those that are not locked. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with any/all/whatever consensus dictates. Sergecross73 msg me 21:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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