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August Rigo link please

Hello, can we link August Rigo to his wikipedia page? He wrote this song as well as the new song Tough Love on Chris Brown's Heartbreak on a Full Moon album.

New Infobox folk song

Tamtam90 has created a new Template:Infobox folk song. It is similar to the deprecated Infobox standard, which was merged to Infobox song in 2015. It also uses many of the parameters of Template:Infobox musical composition. Is a new template needed or could it be a subset of Infobox musical composition? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:44, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Not needed, and should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing/Andy Mabbett has added this to Templates for discussion. Please add your comments there. —Ojorojo (talk) 00:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Best-selling songs by year

Is there a definitive source for the best-selling singles of each year. Older years are hard to find unlike more recent years. I'm trying to get an accurate top 10 for the 50s, 60s and 70s for the Lists of UK top 10 singles articles. The best-seller for each year listed by Wikipedia differs in some years from other sources. For example, everyhit.com is usually quite reliable it for 1963 (the latest one I am working on) She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand are swapped around. 03md 14:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@03md: there are NO official lists of best-selling singles of each year in the UK before 1970, or individual sales for each record apart from the million-sellers that the OCC have published on their website. During the 1950s and 60s the major UK music magazines NME, Melody Maker and Record Mirror each published their own charts, but the idea of an official national chart based on verified sales data was not floated until mid-1968, and the first official chart, created by the British Market Research Bureau for the BBC and the music trade paper Record Retailer (now Music Week) was published on 13 February 1969. Because the BMRB did not have sales for the first six weeks of 1969, they did not do a best-sellers list for that year, so the first complete year with a best-selling singles list is 1970. All "end of year" lists from the 1950s and 60s are based on a points system, not sales. You can find the best-selling singles lists from 1970 onwards in the Wikipedia articles 19xx in British music (e.g. 1977 in British music), but I haven't yet got hold of official sources to verify the lists for 1970, 1971 and 1972 (although the lists are correct). I should also add that for the years 1970 to 1976 and also 1979, the cut-off point for the year-end lists was in mid-December, so actually these lists miss out sales from the weeks leading up to Christmas, which is the busiest period of the year. In 2011 the OCC did create an official list of the best-selling singles for the 1960s decade – List of best-selling singles of the 1960s in the United Kingdom – but it's not broken down into the best-sellers by year. Richard3120 (talk) 16:00, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Thankyou, I was kind of aware of the different charts and confusion over sales data but that explains it better. Should I just put the best-seller for each year of the 50s and 60s that Wikipedia lists, or should I go with the everyhit.com points system in that section but make the note about it not being official best-sellers. 03md 16:37, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia doesn't have a best-seller for each year of the 1950s or 1960s, and neither does anyone else, so that isn't going to be an option. All we have is the overall best-seller for the whole decade, but this can't be broken down into individual years, as many songs, e.g. Christmas number ones, will have their total sales split over two calendar years.
If you want just a list of all the songs that made the UK top ten in each year, that's easy enough to do, using the OCC website or an old copy of British Hit Singles. When the first edition of British Hit Singles came out in 1977, the authors made a decision to use the NME and Record Retailer charts of the 50s and 60s to "backdate" the charts before February 1969, and this has now become the accepted chart for the pre-official era. But trying to rank the singles of this era in some sort of order is going to be very difficult - you can't do it by sales, and unless Everyhit tells you what methodology it is using to order the singles by year, that's going to be dubious as well. Richard3120 (talk) 17:08, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
At some point this year I plan to update the article for UK Singles Chart so that it explains better how it has progressed over the years - I've got a lot of information now, including the copies of Record Retailer from 1968 where they talk about the original idea for the chart. Richard3120 (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Where does the information in List of best-selling singles by year in the United Kingdom come from, that's the only confusing thing. We even have a template which includes Rose Marie, I Believe, Diana, Jailhouse Rock etc. Not sure if you've seen the yearly top 10 lists me and another user have been working on but they look in good shape (using OCC data). The info you have to expand chart history sounds great also. 03md 17:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
It tells you in the references, under "General" - it's a list produced by the OCC in 2011. I wasn't aware of this list - so OK, we do have an official list of the best-selling single of each year. Everyhit's lists, on the other hand, are based on a points system - that's why two Jim Reeves songs top the Everyhit list for 1964 despite never reaching number one, because both of them spent forever in the charts and accumulated more points every week. Richard3120 (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I should have checked there, Thankyou. For now, what I think I will do while I complete the chart debuts, entries by artist table etc. is put the best-seller according to the OCC, a note about the points system. As the official charts have released this list it's as accurate as we can be. 03md 17:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

m:Wikisongs II

There are many songs you can´t writing an article about, so I want to start this new Project. If you are interested in you can write it your name in the list. Thank you. --Habitator terrae (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

WP Project Beatles.

User:Moxy has amended the Beatles project banner to remove all the songs from WP:Songs, and other projects. His rationale for this change is Wikipedia:WikiProject coordination, which would actually say there cannot be co-ordination between projects. FWIW, It means every Beatle songs (and any song or related category remotely connected to the Beatles have now been removed from this project. A discussion has already been started by me at User_talk:Moxy#Template:WikiProject_The_Beatles:_Difference_between_revisions. Anybody else have an opinion? This will also be posted at albums and Beatles projects --Richhoncho (talk) 22:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

*Note Moxy has now undone his edit which caused all the problems, but the conversation should continue in case others are now of the same view as Moxy. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:39, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Theory of a Deadman discography

Hello, WikiProject Songs! I have nominated this discography for WP:FL (you can find it here) and the review seems to have stalled. May I please ask that anyone interested take a few moments to review it and leave comments and support for its promotion? It would be greatly appreciated and I would be happy to reciprocate if you have anything under review that needs commenting. Thank you! — Miss Sarita 17:17, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Just need one or two more "Supports"! A lot of the major legwork has already been done. If anyone has some time to look it over, that would be so wonderful! It's so close! And as I mentioned, I am more than happy to take a look at anything you have that needs to be reviewed (now or any time in the future). Thank you! — Miss Sarita 19:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


Additional information section

I would like to ask about something I see frequently which is mentions of what song a key is in. This seems, at least to me. appropriate in some articles but excessive in others. I'm writing because I noticed that under article guideline it notes that the information "should" be including while also noting that the recording techniques while notable are"of lesser importance"

In my opinion the key section and the Recording technique section should be reversed. So that it lists the key as of "lesser importance". This is also me thinking that the recording techniques, when listed,are very relevant to a song, hence why they would be listed in the first place.

I'm not exactly sure though I'm just kinda testing the waters to see if this would be a good idea. It seems somewhat silly to me to list the key that "God's Plan" is in or a Flo Rida song, but again that might just be me. --Deathawk (talk) 06:58, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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