Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England

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Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 15:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Recruit new editors to your project?

Happy new year! As you may remember, I've been building a tool to help WikiProjects identify and recruit new editors to join and contribute. See my previous post. I’ve been working it on in the past several months, and collaborated with some WikiProject organizers to make it better. We also wrote a Signpost article to introduce it to the entire Wikipedia community.

Right now, we are ready to make it available to more WikiProjects that need it. If you are interested in trying out our tool, feel free to sign up. Bobo.03 (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Emma Portman, Viscountess Portman article

Hi, all. We need people weighing in at Talk:Emma Portman, Viscountess Portman#Accuracy. It's about when Portman dies and therefore the accuracy of the viscountess title. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:35, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Minor edit

Grant4493 (talk) 16:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)In my minor edit I stated that the Cockermouth castle became a mill when machinery was invented. If this is inaccurate let me know.Grant4493 (talk) 16:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Village Pump proposal to delete all Portals

Editors at this project might be interested in the discussion concerning the proposed deletion of all Portals across Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC:_Ending_the_system_of_portals. Bermicourt (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Multiple reverts for Anglo-Normans

I have recategorised several biography articles from Category:Normans to Category:Anglo-Normans, for example in this edit, based on the following definition - it is the first sentence of the Anglo-Normans article:

The Anglo-Normans were the medieval ruling class in England, composed mainly of a combination of ethnic Anglo-Saxons, Normans and French, following the Norman conquest.

User:Ealdgyth reverted multiple of the recategorisations, for example in this edit. The question is, is the above definition of Anglo-Normans incorrect or is there another problem with the recategorisation that I boldly implemented? Note by the way that the article isn't specific on whether this person was from Norse or from French descent, so categorising as Category:Normans seems more questionable than Category:Anglo-Normans. - Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Anglo-Normans are generally the people who are a generation AFTER the Norman Conquest. They are the people raised in England but of Norman heritage or are from marriages between Normans and English. You can't call someone who was born in Normandy and came over to England with William the Conqueror an Anglo-Norman really. They are Norman. Many of your category changes were making articles that had the first sentence say "so-and-so was a Norman" into the category of Anglo-Normans. That makes no sense. I didn't blanket revert all your changes - but I did correct them. For example: Urse d'Abetot - your two edits changed the category from Category:Normans to Category:Anglo-Normans and added Category:11th-century English people. But Urse's very first sentence says "Urse d'Abetot (c. 1040 – 1108) was a Norman who followed King William I to England" - so your edits make no sense. He can't be a Norman in the first sentence and in categories for Anglo-Normans AND English. Others were similiar - Walkelin says he's Norman in the first sentence. Picot of Cambridge - "Picot of Cambridge (c. 1022–after 1090) was a Norman landowner and Sheriff of Cambridgeshire". Robert de Todeni - "Robert de Todeni was a Norman nobleman who held lands in England...". Ealdgyth - Talk 12:12, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
(1) That is a different definition of Anglo-Normans indeed, because having been raised in England is not a requirement of the Anglo-Normans article. I wonder what this additional requirement is based on.
(2) Of course biographies can be in multiple categories if people move from one country to another. If people lived in England and acquired notability in England they should also be in the category of English people by century regardless where they were born.
- Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The definition of an Anglo-Norman is the one that most historians of the period use. And it doesn't conflict with the article on Anglo-Normans - "composed mainly of a combination of ethnic Anglo-Saxons, Normans and French, following the Norman conquest." That pretty much states that its the combination of peoples. I wouldn't object to having Anglo-Norman AND Norman on some of these articles - but removing the very clearly relevant "Norman" category is wrong when the various articles clearly call the people Normans. I suspect the problem is that Anglo-Normans is a subcategory of Normans - which it really isn't. And I'll note that Category:11th-century English people states that the category is for "This page lists English people notable during the 11th century." And the English people article says its about an ethnicity. I'm just going by the category itself. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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