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Info about soho china is mostly from several years ago. Just got some recent one and update

Category:Chinese emigrants to Taiwan

I know this is a minefield, and I hardly want to be involved in such a mess, but does anyone else see a problem with the subcategories in Category:Chinese emigrants to Taiwan? I came across this whilst filling Category:People of the Northern Expedition...people like Bai Chongxi and Yan Xishan are listed as 'Taiwanese', which feels like both an absurdity and an anachronism...if you told any of these people that they were 'Taiwanese', I wonder what they'd say? I think I know the answer. Is there anything we can do about this, or is the RoC/Taiwan craziness going to make it impossible? RGloucester 21:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I would go as far as recommending this category for deletion for the anachronisms you pointed out and the NPOV violations involved, i.e. the implication that Taiwan is not a part of China. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 22:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose I didn't create the category but I created all the subcategories. Before I did my work, I remember it only had Chiang Kai-shek, Chiang Ching-kuo and a couple of other names. "Taiwanese from ABC" in this case is of course understood as someone from mainland China who permanently (at least for a long period of time) settled in Taiwan island (I don't think there are any Kinmen/Matsu/Penghu cases) either before or after 1940s. "Chinese" in categories should be separate from "Taiwanese". Trust me, I have not intention to impose NPOV but there are no better solutions. Will it help anyone to combine Category:Taiwanese baseball players with Category:Chinese baseball players? Anachronism is not an issue, and what Bai Chongxi thinks is not important. Yelü Dashi would not consider himself an emperor of Qara Khitai, but that doesn't mean we will put him in Category:Liao dynasty emperors, because for all intents and purposes Liao dynasty should be considered completely separate from Qara Khitai. I'm afraid the situation here is comparable, and there are many more examples from world history. Timmyshin (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Edit: I suppose we can move it to Category:Taiwanese people from mainland China if it helps with NPOV. But I see no problem with the label "Taiwanese people". If Bai Chongxi wouldn't consider himself a "Taiwanese", what about his son Pai Hsien-yung? Isn't his Taipei People about people from the mainland? It's impossible to ask every person alive or deceased what they identify with, so let's just stick with the obvious: Bai Chongxi lived in Taiwan as a citizen, therefore he was a Taiwanese. Nobody said you cannot be both Chinese and Taiwanese. Yelü Dashi was a Liao dynasty person and a Qara Khitai emperor. Chiang Ching-kuo was a Chinese person and a Taiwanese president. No problem at all. Timmyshin (talk) 11:57, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
'Taiwanese' implies regional origins in Taiwan, as opposed to Cantonese or Shandongese or whatever. At that point in history, there was no 'Taiwanese' in the manner you referred to. If Bai was a 'Taiwanese citizen', after he fled to Taiwan, I guess he had been a Taiwanese citizen on the mainland, because his citizenship did not change upon his flight. He was not a 'Taiwanese'...he was a Guangxi person, which would've been listed on his identity papers, who had fled to Taiwan, but his original identity did not change to Taiwanese, as he still remained in the same country, 'China', and only fled to Taiwan out of necessity. How about "Guangxi people that fled to Taiwan"? And so on...because you need to clearly delineate the circumstances of their having fled. RGloucester 13:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
The 'modern' use of the word 'Taiwanese' to mean 'RoC' cannot retroactively be applied to people who, frankly, have nothing to do with 'Taiwan' in the sense that the modern word is used...it's a plain absurdity, and I'm not sure why this is hard to understand. There was no Taiwan identity in the way there is now. He did not 'become' a Taiwanese...'Taiwanese' is an identity, not a citizenship or official label. The whole problem with this category tree is that it conflates different subjects into one...i.e. refugees that fled to Taiwan in 1949, and people who came to Taiwan afterward, and also modern Taiwanese identity with RoC citizenship. RGloucester 19:30, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  • If you have a better way of categorizing these articles, go for it. Timmyshin (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Wechat group

Does anyone know if there is a Wechat group for Wikipedians? If not, would anyone be interested in joining one? My wechat is gilles1454. Λυδαcιτγ 16:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Audacity: I don't think so (and most people outside mainland China and the diaspora have probably never used WeChat, so WeChat users are probably very rare on enwiki). There is a Discord group and there are IRC channels (incidentally, the Chinese Wikipedia advertises an IRC channel but not a WeChat group). Jc86035 (talk) 14:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Names?

I recently wrote The_Unfinished_Comedy#Cast but I am not sure I spelled the cast name members correctly (see also the talk page). Thanks in advance for taking a look :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC

Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:36, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

FiiO Electronics Technology

Could someone from this WikiProject assess this for notability per WP:NCORP? The only citation provided is to the company's own website, but that does nothing per WP:CORPDEPTH. The article's been around for a bit, but never seems to have gotten properly assessed because (1) it wasn't submitted to AfC and (2) nobody bothered to create a talk page for it and add WikiProject banners for it until I just did. There are a few stand-alone articles about some of the companies products; so, maybe the sources used in them can also be added to the main company article. I was considering WP:PROD, but figured I'd ask here first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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