Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/September 15

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Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/September 14 * Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/September 16

The entry of when Google was founded is on both this entry and on the Sept 7 entry. no it isn't ur wrong u stupid fat head —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Lehman Brothers

Should the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008 be included? It seems pretty significant to me since it's the start of the Global Financial Crisis. --WinHunter (talk) 11:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it should be included. I actually added it a couple of days ago, but User:Zzyzx11 removed it afterwards. --bender235 (talk) 12:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
There historically has been an unwritten guideline in that one-year anniversaries are listed as backups and not part of the first visible set of 5 since those articles tend to still be unstable, their content still changes frequently, and still has parts full of Recentism. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
That is nonsense. That Lehman bankruptcy is part of history, and its anniversary will be the lead story around the world tomorrow. So you can either hide yourself behind some "unwritten guideline" that no one cares about anyway, or you can acknowledge the importancy of this event a year ago. --bender235 (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
To clarify, "unwritten" might not be the best term I used in my previous comment. It is more of a corollary to the rules that "the content on the Main Page is chosen based more on how well they are written, not based on how much their subjects are important or significant." As I said, such one-year anniversary articles tend to be unstable, their content still changes frequently, and still has parts full of Recentism. Also, such article, because they are only one year old, may not be completetely comprehensive, present every single view fairly and without bias, or contain major facts or details and places the subject in a long-term historical context. It is these reasons why I prefer that one-year anniversary articles are listed as backups and not part of the first visible set of 5. If you are trying to add this event because your only arguments is that "it is one of the most significant events that has ever happened" or "all the other media around the world are doing it", that does not really fly with me. There is more criteria than that. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it absurd to claim that an article is "full of Recentism" when the article's topic has happened recently? Lehman Brothers, Financial crisis of 2007–2010, and Bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers might not win FA status right now, but still they are well sourced and well written. I just think the magnitude of the Lehman bankruptcy demands that we put this on the anniversary page tomorrow. --bender235 (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

For now But I'll repeat that trying to judge something that is "of magnitude of importance or significant that is demands to be posted on the Main page" is very POV. Regards. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Doon school

The entry about Doon School, describing the school as "India's oldest all-boys public school," is inaccurate. Doon, as its own page describes it, is "relatively new among Indian boarding schools," founded in 1935. There are many schools in India much older. Most in the list below were founded as all-boys schools, though in the last decade or two, some may have become co-ed, at least in their upper grades.

"Public school," in the announcement, really means "public school (UK)" i.e. a private school. Some in the list have remained all-boys. Even if all had become co-ed in the last few years, the wording is inaccurate. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Read it properly. It is not "India's oldest all-boys.." instead "India's first public all-boys". And so it was. The schools you mention were opened by the people of British Raj for the British (this has changed since, of course). But Doon was the first public school in India catering to Indian boys. You know it Fowler, there are references galore in the Doon School article which has been on your anvil for quite sometime. --Merlaysamuel :  Speechify  20:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
(Please indent your replies) Still incorrect. Firstly, it is a logical tautology that India's first public all-boys school is also India's oldest public all-boys school. Secondly, "India," in contemporary usage (that is, between 1858 and 1947), included domiciled Britons and Eurasians. They were counted in all the censuses of India from 1871 to 1941. "India" at that time meant the British Indian Empire. What India are you talking about? Thirdly, most schools in the above list had opened their doors to Indians by 1935, and many long before that. How else could Manekshaw (born 1914) have gone to Sherwood College? Where are these vaunted references that refer to Doon School in that way? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
PS The project page here says, "This page usually defers to supporting articles for accuracy or when there is disagreement, so it is best to achieve consensus and make any necessary changes there first." Where does the Doon School article state this fact? Let us achieve consensus there before Wikipedia unwittingly prints inaccuracies on its main page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
PPS I've started a discussion about sourcing in this section of the Doon School Talk page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the entry for now, given the confusion about the specific date. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

2012 notes

howcheng {chat} 06:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

2013 notes

howcheng {chat} 05:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes

howcheng {chat} 07:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 September 2014

For the section On This Day... the Independence day for the Central American Countries should also include Honduras among the other countries, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua. [1] (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done. The Honduras article has an orange maintenance tag on it, which makes it ineligible for inclusion. howcheng {chat} 16:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Due to one sub-section that was tagged years ago? This really disrupts the cohesion of Central American independence. Where else in the world do 5 neighboring countries celebrate independence on the same day? Request for a review of this. Gonzomalan (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Sorry, but the rules are the rules. Plus, it is now the 16th, so this will have to wait until next year. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 06:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
If you are really concerned, please work on that section to bring it up to par. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 16:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion for 2015

I would suggest adding the Battle of Dobro Pole to this year's list as it started a chain of events leading to the Armistice of Thessaloniki and the Armistice of Mudros among other significant events.--Catlemur (talk) 11:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see this until after I was done with the edit. Let's try that on the 18th instead. howcheng {chat} 16:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure.--Catlemur (talk) 16:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

2015 notes

howcheng {chat} 16:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Add Free Money Day?

Currently there are three events from the 19th Century, two from the 20th, and none from the 21st. If we want to balance it with an ongoing event in the 21st Century, I'd like to suggest Free Money Day. Disclosure: I do know one of the people organising it. However it is a notable event, with media coverage each year, and it adds to the variety of the event types. --Chriswaterguy talk 04jgjmigmdounia

29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

2016 notes

howcheng {chat} 16:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

2017 notes

howcheng {chat} 15:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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