Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/September 11

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Anna Lindh died a year ago (September 11, 2003). Should we put this in? [[User:Sverdrup|Sverdrup❞]] 16:50, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No - that is a death. But the day she was wounded is already a selected anniversary. --mav 05:02, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I noticed her on the main page the 10th, so I'm content. [[User:Sverdrup|Sverdrup❞]] 09:36, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There are 6 events listed, when, along with a holiday, the guidelines suggest that there should only be 5. Shall we collaborate on which event to remove? Phoenix2 02:48, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Let's remove 1987, Tosh. -- PFHLai 05:16, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
Yes, relative to the events listed that is probably the most insignificant (even me being from the Caribbean and a reggae fan. Phoenix2 21:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Why is the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks not featured this year? Perhaps it's my bias as an American but this seems like a pretty significant event associated with this day... 99.129.135.10 (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Strong Picture

I feel that the twin tower burning picture is associated by most people for this day so we should consider replacing the current Pinochet picture with the twin tower one. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay. The Pinochet pic had to be removed due to uncertain copyright status, anyway. -- PFHLai 16:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that Ambuj.Saxena is right that the "twin tower burning picture is associated by most people for this day." To me that is a reason to prefer a picture about the coup in Chile - which led to the disappearance & presumably death of arguably a comparable number of people. Particularly when it's the 40th anniversary of the Chile tragedy & the 12th anniversary of the USA tragedy.

Today is the anniversary of Allende's death & the bombing of Moneda Palace so images of them would be more appropriate today anyway. Pinochet's official leadership was yet to come. Surely many supporters of Allende's goverment, being anarchists or socialists, would licence photographs they took to a commons.

Today is a day when an unusual number of people, especially USA residents will be consulting eg. Wikipedia about anniversaries. Most will never in their life search through the Talk or Help sections or know much of Wikipedia policies. Not featuring Sept 11, 1973 TODAY, or even listing the coup on the main page's selection of "On This Day ..." has two detrimental effects on those who look at the main page:- To those who know about the coup, Wikipedia will appear to be Anglophone or USA centric. Those who don't know, won't learn of it if they don't go to the expanded "On This Day ..." page. Both these outcomes are bad for Wikipedia & it's readers.

The relevant articles are always likely to be fairly poorly written, (most Wikipedia articles I read aren't VASTLY better than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d'%C3%A9tat IMNSHO), because the edit wars about those two Chilean governments & the transition will likely continue as long as Wikipedia enables it.

Anyway, I'm a beginner at editing so I thought it better to just post on the talk page. I hope my totally opinionated contribution will be considered.

RealityAgnostic — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealityAgnostic (talkcontribs) 03:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

MISLEADING

The bit about the Chilean coup implies that 3,000 people died during the coup whereas this is just a compilation of all of the Pinochet-era deaths from 1973 to 1989. In addition, Pinochet didn't seize full control until September 13, so any mention of those deaths belong on that date. CJK 00:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree. That sentence has been removed. Thanks for pointing this out. -- PFHLai 13:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Important 100th Anniversary of a World Event missing.

Today (September 11, 2006) is the 100th anniversary of the launch of the Satyagraha movement in South Africa, the first ever Nonviolent resistance movement that Mahatma Gandhi launched. There are plans to celebrate it in different ways the world over. Ought to figure here. deeptrivia (talk) 04:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi started his Satyagraha movement on 11th September 1906. This was an extremely important event which eventually lead the independence of an entire country (India). I think this must be mentioed on the main page. Thanks. --APandey 10:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. Satyagraha could use a cleanup though. Melchoir 16:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
So shouldn't it be included? Time's running out. A centenary comes only once in a hundred years. deeptrivia (talk) 23:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Patriot Day

Today (September 11) is "Patriot Day" in the United States of America. (See http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060907-7.html). I am surprised that it is not listed as such, even when the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks is listed.LemonJuice 23:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not widely known as such. Melchoir 00:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I left this out deliberately when I do the annual update. The '9-11 attacks' is already a listed anniversary, so let's avoid over-featuring the same stuff. Variety is preferred. And, there is a 'soft cap' on the number of holidays listed on MainPage at 3 per day to avoid overcrowdedness. ('Soft' because sometimes TFA is long, ITN is short and I need stuffs to fill up the void on MainPage, sometimes I can't count, sometimes I can't decide what to leave out..... Strictly by the guidelines, 3 is max.) -- PFHLai 14:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Too many US-related dates

Guys, three of the five are US-related. No-one's going to quibble with 9/11, but I think we need to lose either the Mormons or the Hawaii hurricane. There's a big world out there with lots of dates to choose from. Let's get a better-balanced picture. 86.157.51.72 22:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and changed the hurricane entry to the formation of the World Wildlife Fund in 1961. 86.157.51.72 22:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I chose the World Wildlife Fund to replace the hurricane as every other entry is to do with war and/or fighting and death and destruction; you have taken it out and added - wait for it - yet another battle! Please let's have some balance! What's wrong with the WWF entry? 86.153.216.17 06:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's another- 1957, the British Computer Society founded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.55.222 (talk) 00:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Different picture needed

(Copied from the main Sept 11 talk page as it is probably more relevant here)

The 2008 September 11 POTD/featured picture is going to be 9/11 related [1] so the On This Day picture shouldn't be about the same topic, dreadful as it was. How about the World Wildlife Fund logo, as that is something hopeful rather than doom and gloom related, like coups and wars etc? Also, I seem to remember this OTD photo was used for OTD last year. 9/11 shouldn't have the monopoly, every year. Other momentous events have happened that should be highlighted. This one is still so close to us but we need perspective too. 86.147.162.92 (talk) 12:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

In all indications currently on Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, United Airlines Flight 93 will also be that day's featured article. In either case, the September 11 attacks event will be hidden on the OTD page when it is updated a few days before it goes onto the main page. See also the last paragraph of Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries#Preset options. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

That was the worst civilian terrorist ordeal in world history! Believe it or not, a kid who's 9 or 10 now may not even remember 9/11. Sad as it is, it still would be the ultimate rudeness to forget it for some stupid drawing of a panda! Even if United 93 is the article, I think that one of the most important things on September 11 happened in 2001. Hell, in most of the English speaking world just saying "September Eleventh" is in reference to the attacks. We had Pearl Harbor on December 7, we had the mushroom cloud on August 7, so why should we not have a picture of the WTC towers as a plane hit one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.45.211 (talk) 00:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

We should replace the WWF founding with 9/11 -- I don't think we need a 9/11 picture since there's already two on the Main Page. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

As I basically stated above, the last paragraph of Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries#Preset options states an event should be hidden if it also is the featured article or the featured picture for that particular day. There has already been a complaint on Talk:Main Page#September 11 that both today's featured article and the featured picture for today are both related to 9/11. We should not add to this problem. Do we really need to have it repeated three times on the main page? Other events happened on this day in world history, you know. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

September 11 attacks articles

See Template:Sept11 for possible alternative links to bold and feature.

Possible alternate versions:

Regular version
Alternative bolding (modified version of the one used in 2007 when the September 11, 2001 attacks article had cleanup issues)
Only Collapse of the World Trade Center bolded
Only American Airlines Flight 77 bolded
Only United Airlines Flight 93 bolded
Only Collapse of the World Trade Center and American Airlines Flight 77 bolded
Only Collapse of the World Trade Center and United Airlines Flight 93 bolded
Only American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight 93 bolded
Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

2012 notes

howcheng {chat} 06:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

2013 notes

howcheng {chat} 06:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

1973 Chilean coup d'état

I noticed this event has been marked as ineligible due to a {{refimprove}} tag. I've added citations; other editors had already removed unsupported material since the problems were noted [2]. I've removed the tag; please reconsider this event for inclusion. —rybec 18:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done. howcheng {chat} 16:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes

howcheng {chat} 03:06, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason why the September 11 attacks haven't been included, in "Recent Anniversaries" or anywhere else on the homepage? 13 years after it happened I think it is still the event most associated with "September 11th". The absence of the 1973 Chilean Coup D'etat is also striking. While I understand why it is important to showcase a different mix of events each years, I still think it's extremely odd to omit two of the most important events of the past half-century.theBOBbobato (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Both articles are simply out of rotation this year. The 9/11 attacks were on two years in a row (and are always tangentially featured due to the inclusion of Patriot Day). howcheng {chat} 20:08, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

2015 notes

howcheng {chat} 09:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

2016 notes

howcheng {chat} 06:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

2017 notes

howcheng {chat} 15:42, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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