Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/March 4

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Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/March 3 * Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/March 5

This is terrible. 5 events, 4 of them are USA-centric!!! -- Kaihsu 09:01, 2004 Mar 4 (UTC)

Please feel free to search March 4 for items that have reasonably full articles and the possibility of pictures, and update at will. We try very hard to be non-Amerocentric, but sometimes the material Wikipedia makes available means that's impossible. Your assistance on the selected anniversaries project would be appreciated. jengod 09:07, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
I've already done that. Somebody needs to add non-US qualifying items to that page. --mav
No, Mav, honey, I know you have. I'm saying just that. If the pages aren't updated with non-American stuff, we don't have non-American stuff to update with period. It's not part of our gigantic bias for the U.S. :) jengod 19:13, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
How about the election in Zimbabwe Rhodesia, making Robert Mugabe the first PM of the soon-to-come-into-existense Republic of Zimbabwe ? I'll put that in later...-- PFHLai 21:37, 2005 Feb 27 (UTC) --(Correction) PFHLai 14:14, 2005 Feb 28 (UTC)

moved from Talk:Main Page

Forget some urban legend about the US Presidency. This should really be on the main page:

Thanks, Mdiamante (talk) 12:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The switch from Congress of the Confederation to United States Congress appears to be a boring paperwork procedure to me. For United States Constitution, I'd rather save this for Constitution Day (United States) on September 17. That's the day people remember these days. --PFHLai (talk) 17:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Re-iterating what I wrote last year.
1681King Charles II of England granted Quaker William Penn a charter for the Pennsylvania Colony.
Is all well and good, but this is more important. And it's much more than "paperwork procedure", it's the difference between a failed government and one that turns 220 today. Without the new government, there'd be no Constitution, no President Washington, etc. The mind boggles.
So, please consider including. Best, Mdiamante (talk) 04:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC).
As stated on WP:OTD, "Ideally, any particular selected article should only be listed (be an emboldened entry) once in this queue". The United States Constitution article is already an emboldened entry on Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/September 17 because, as PFHLai stated, it coincides with Constitution Day (United States). Therefore do you know any alternative article to bold for that 1789 event? Also, as implied on the first question of the FAQ post above this talk page, we do not automatically fulfill requests to switch entries just because a user says that an event is "more important and significant" than all the others that are currently listed. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Probably we can bold United States Congress and/or Congress of the Confederation. I can probably list it in the hidden, backup list for now so it is available, especially when we need to "unhide one to balance the text of the Main Page"[1]. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I've been trumpeting the wrong emphasis. How's this:
1789- The First United States Congress opens in New York City, marking the start of the current government under the Constitution.
? This gets the important event across without doubling the Constitution event. Cheers, Mdiamante (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

2012 notes

howcheng {chat} 00:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

2013 notes

howcheng {chat} 20:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

The Frances Perkins item should read

1933Frances Perkins (pictured) was appointed United States Secretary of Labor, making her the first female member of the Cabinet. Today is also the 100th anniversary of the Department's founding.

--evrik (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, that doesn't work. Although we frequently have blurbs with multiple articles in bold, those are for when those articles are both related to the event in question (or in at least one case there were two battles in the same war on the same day). In this case, you actually want to put two different events for two different things that happened in two different years (Perkins' appointment in 1933, plus department's founding in 1913). There's no way to squeeze those two together without it being awkward. Furthermore, the United States Department of Labor article is tagged for expansion, so it's not eligible to be a bold article anyway. howcheng {chat} 21:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks! --evrik (talk) 15:43, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes

howcheng {chat} 07:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

2015 notes

howcheng {chat} 08:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

2016 notes

howcheng {chat} 07:47, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Inclusion of bios in birth/death section

TRM and I seem to differ on the criteria for including biographies in the birth/death slot. I think it's anyone who has a WP article and hence added Bobbi Brown, however TRM has removed this twice on the grounds that she hasn't achieved anything, isn't encyclopedic and doesn't do anything for women. Can we have a discussion about this as this sets a precedent for other biographies to be excluded on similar grounds. Or do the guidelines need to be adapted to include TRM's criteria, in which case every nomination is going to be up for subjective discussion. Why can't we include all 3 biographies nominated for this day? MurielMary (talk)

2017 notes

howcheng {chat} 06:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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