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should there be an article on this Shinkansen attack June 9?

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201806110059.html by world standards, not that rare, but it's all over the news here.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

  • I would say no. We don't seem to have an article on the self-immolation that took place in 2015, which was covered by The New York Times and other world outlets. Perhaps a sentence or two at Shinkansen#Safety record on these sorts of incidents could be added if necessary. Dekimasuよ! 01:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I would tend to agree that this probably could be mentioned within another article, but I'm not sure if there's enough to justify a stand-alone article per WP:NCRIME. You have to be careful that this is not a case of WP:NOTNEWS. Events like this tend to garner lots of media coverage when they happen, but you need to be aware of WP:DELAY. This and this also got lots of media coverage at the time, but I don't think there are stand-alone articles about them. If you still feel there might be enough with this latest case to support an article, then maybe also asking at WT:CRIME might be helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:43, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
  • The answer is simple if it is notable yes of course. Truthspeakerknows (talk) 03:43, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
  • If there are at least 2-3 reliable sources discussing it in depth, then yes. Same for the self-immolation article. Anything that passes WP:GNG should have an article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Religion in infoboxes in Japanese biographical articles

"religion = Shinto" seems really questionable in, for example, every single article on a living member of the imperial family. The only one I checked that included significant inline coverage of religion at all was Empress Michiko, which is in turn contradicted by Naruhito, Crown Prince of Japan, and none of them include any sources discussing "religious affiliation", insofar as such a thing makes sense in a traditional Japanese context. And, of course, no source will ever be found for any Japanese imperial family member or politician (the problem seems to extend there as well, although it probably originates there, and is tied to our articles on American politicians that include this parameter) being "Shintoist, not Buddhist", even though that is probably how our articles read to the majority of our target audience at the moment.

I was going to just mass-blank the unsourced BLP ones I could find, but I really wonder if we should, as a project, discourage these as a rule, BLP or no, sourced or unsourced, and write it into MOS:JAPAN.

(And since I know someone will remark on this I should clarify: I know we go by what the sources say, but some sources are better than others, and sources written by people who know nothing about religion in Japan and that label people as "Shintoist as opposed to Buddhist" are in the latter group; also, most of the time people cite "sources" for these kinds of claims, they don't even say "Person X is a Shintoist", but simply say they prayed at a Shinto shrine at some point.)

Hijiri 88 (やや) 05:06, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The {{Infobox person}} has removed the religion parameter as a result of a RfC [1], so we should default to not including "religion" in the infobox, and perhaps remove that parameter from the template that those Japanese biographical articles use. _dk (talk) 05:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
I agree: I do not think it is even clear what "Believer in Shintō" means. My atlas of religion gives Japan the highest rating among all countries for religious affiliation, at about 140%. Most people tick 神社 and お寺, but happily talk about 天国. I have yet to receive a persuasive answer to the question, "But does anyone actually take Shintō seriously?" So any such "religion" boxes are likely only to mislead. Imaginatorium (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
@Underbar dk and Imaginatorium: I asked to remove the parameter from the template and was pointed to a discussion where the prospect had been proposed for the royalty template, with no consensus to do so; but the argument that "State Shinto in Japan, or the Queen of England and the Anglican Church" justifies an exception (when "State Shinto" was only a thing for a few decades and our article on the Queen of England doesn't even use the parameter) is pretty weak, so I'm seriously considering an RFC to remove the parameter from that one too. Either way, I guess we can move ahead with removing the unsourced claims of monolithic "Shintoism" from our articles on Japanese royals. Hijiri 88 (やや) 22:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Ugetsu community GAR notification

Ugetsu, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hijiri 88 (やや) 05:53, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Leftover WikiProject Japan/Assessment articles not assessed yet

WikiProject Japan/Assessment has some articles that weren't assessed. Goes back to at least 2015. Ominae (talk) 04:35, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome to assess anything that hasn't yet been assessed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:07, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
I know. I'm just thinking I may need some backup. Ominae (talk) 07:56, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
I've been chipping away at it when things are slow at work, but I could use your help. It was over 800 when I started a couple weeks ago, but now it's below 700. Everything before "J" is not an obvious (2-3 sentence) stub, so feel free to start at "A" and assess based on the criteria. Also I translated Aguri Ōnishi and Maria Sashide, so I'm planning on skipping those assessments. :) Mcampany (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
I'll try when I can. Nobody judge if someone thinks my assessment is off. Ominae (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

American-Japanese?

Would this be the right term? I made an article for Ben Judd (producer), and I used that phrase to describe him, while linking to Americans in Japan. He's lived in Japan since 2001, is a legal citizen, speaks the language, and only occasionally makes business trips to America. Harizotoh9 (talk) 11:24, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure the current biography shows that the subject is notable per Wikipedia standards, but to respond to your question: Is there any reference to indicate that he has actually taken Japanese citizenship? Even among American permanent residents in Japan that is quite rare, as Japan does not allow dual citizenship for adults. Dekimasuよ! 17:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, he's certainly interviewed and talked about by the gaming press. All the articles cited as RS for video games, as they're major news sites, and this is pretty standard for gaming related articles. He and his company Dangen even got a profile in the Japan Times. I further discuss this at Talk:Ben_Judd_(producer)#Notability. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm not going out of my way to question the article's notability. I just have doubts. So, is there any source indicating that he is a Japanese citizen? Dekimasuよ! 05:00, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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