Wikipedia talk:In the news

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Upcoming ITN/R suggestions (Oct-Dec)

Nearly there. This post attempts to highlight potential nominations that could be considered and where else to continue looking for news items. The recurring items list is a good place to start. Below is a provisional list of upcoming ITN/R events over the next few months. Note that some events may be announced earlier or later than scheduled, like the result of an election or the culmination of a sport season/tournament. Feel free to update these articles in advance and nominate them on the candidates page when they occur.

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November
December
Other resources

For those who don't take their daily dose of news from an encyclopedia, breaking news stories can also be found via news aggregators (e.g. Google News, Yahoo! News) or your preferred news outlet. Some news outlets employ paywalls after a few free articles, others are funded by advertisements - which tend not to like ad blockers, and a fair few are still free to access. Below is a small selection:

Unlike the prose in the article, the reference doesn't necessarily need to be in English. Non-English news sources include, but are not limited to: Le Monde, Der Spiegel and El País. Which ironically are Western European examples (hi systemic bias). Any reliable African, Asian or South American non-English source that confirms an event took place can also be used.

Happy hunting. Fuebaey (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Admin attention required

Can an admin please look at the Sun Zhengcai item. Colipon+(Talk) 05:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@Colipon: Done, but even considering only those who indicate they understand the situation there is no consensus to post. For future reference, note the [Attention needed] header tag will usually get a quicker response. Thryduulf (talk) 12:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Current events

The headers level of this has change / now show up on the TOC. Could someone look into whether it's possible to fix this please. The resulting TOC currently is.... confusing. -- KTC (talk) 11:40, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

From checking the history of the template that this uses, this seems to be an unintended consequence of changes made by Matt Fitzpatrick. I'll ask him to take a look. BencherliteTalk 11:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Yup, that template just had some pretty major changes, which included messing around with the <noinclude> and <includeonly> tags. Why do we even bother with these anyway? Does anyone actually look at them? It just makes the page load more slowly. Modest Genius talk 11:52, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I've just reported this issue at template talk:Current events, and I see now that Bencherlite posted at user talk:Matt Fitzpatrick so that is probably all bases covered in terms of notification! Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
And now for my walk of shame. Thanks everyone for the error reports. Hope it's fixed now. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Link rather than transclude daily current events pages?

@Modest Genius: Why do we even bother with these anyway? Does anyone actually look at them? It just makes the page load more slowly. A good question. I certainly don't look at them and they sometimes move my focus away from what I was reading when they collapse after loading, which is rather annoying to say the least. I'd be perfectly happy for them to be replaced with a simple link. Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I too would be happy to reduce clutter on the page by removing the daily transclusions, but I suppose some people might look at the contents for ideas of what to nominate. BencherliteTalk 12:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I know I don't look at them either. I think the goal of giving people ideas on what to nominate could be accomplished with simple links(or link). 331dot (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
So I guess I am the only one who ever looks at those? To be fair, I don't do it very often. Sometimes I look at them to try to find articles related to breaking news when I am unsure what the article title might be. I wouldn't object to linking them rather than transcluding them. Dragons flight (talk) 16:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there still a problem? I dont (and never have) seen the current events transclusion in the ToC, and yes, I read them, and they collapse. --173.38.117.78 (talk) 14:39, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
The problem of the portal:current events headers appearing in the TOC has been fixed (unless you looked at the page yesterday you wouldn't have seen them). Whether the expense (loading time, data on mobile connections, moving reading position when collapsing) of transclusion is worth the benefits over just linking (reference on the same page, probably more prominent) is an open question. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Well as the one who asked whether they were necessary, it won't surprise people to hear that I never look at the material in the collapsing boxes, but I do get annoyed at them causing my browser focus to bounce around. An equally-prominent link to the relevant P:CE entry at the top of each day would provide most of the benefits to those who use it, without inconveniencing the rest of us, so I support that as a solution. Modest Genius talk 19:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
PS. If I remember correctly, historically we used to have a requirement that any ITN nomination had to be added to P:CE, hence the transclusions. It was never really enforced and seems to have been abandoned somewhere along the way. Modest Genius talk 19:04, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of that historical context, and I've certainly never seen that rule enforced. I suspect that someone with the appropriate templating skills could put a bold link in a green box to maintain its prominence if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 20:06, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
It seems that the portal:current events tansclusions evolved out of template:ITN candidates starting on 27 May 2008 [1]. Various talk threads in Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 22 and at Wikipedia talk:In the news 2.0 seem to be relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Well found. That enabled me to check the criteria shortly after the new format was introduced, and an entry on P:CE was indeed one of the requirements. Glad to see my memory isn't completely failing me! Modest Genius talk 13:11, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
It seems that requirement was removed from the main WP:ITN page with this edit by Bencherlite in December 2015, but the summary ("this hasn't been a required step for years") indicates that the substantive change happened earlier. On 15 May 2011 Strange Passerby removed the requirement from Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/header with this edit but again this seems to be updating instructions to match actual practice ("second point is not accurate (there is no practical requirement that nominations must have appeared in the green box)").
In March 2012 ThaddeusB add the request to "Please consider adding the blurb to Portal:Current events at the same time [as nominating at WP:ITNC]" [2]. this edit by Spencer in October 2015 removed it ("not generally followed"). Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@GreatCaesarsGhost, Lihaas, Masem, Mfarazbaig, Christian Roess, Zigzig20s, Pawnkingthree, Stormy clouds, SusanLesch, KTC, Nikki311, TDKR Chicago 101, Count Iblis, Stephen, Gerda Arendt, Francis Schonken, Martinevans123, Everymorning, Medeis, The Rambling Man, Muboshgu, Natural RX, Smurrayinchester, CosmicAdventure, Colipon, and Jon Kolbert: Pinging regulars and those who nominated something that is on the candidates page currently and who haven't commented already on this suggestion to replace the transclusions of the daily Portal:Current events pages with a link. Thryduulf (talk) 20:06, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Can't this just be reversed by whoever did it? It's a real PitA to have to scroll through. God, I was afraid it was another hack by the Prussians. STATUS QUO ANTE, please. μηδείς (talk) 20:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
    • @Medeis: I'm not sure what "this" is in this context - the portal headers appearing in the TOC is now fixed (at least for me) and we're back to how it appeared a few days ago. There is a separate suggestion to replace the transclusions of the daily portal:current events pages (which appear to have been included since some time in 2008) with links. I've added a subheading to hopefully make this clearer. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose changes as unnecessary. I like the transclusion, personally, they're auto-collapsed for me so not in the way, and the ToC issue seems resolved. If you're having problems, WP:VPT is the place. Thanks for the ping. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 23:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Just a link is fine with me. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:36, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Change to links. I never look at it and I don't think it serves any real purpose in its current form. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
  • A link is sufficient in my case. I never look at the transclusion (they auto-collapse for me on my I-pad, which is how I usually participate on ITN). But since they're cumbersome on other devices (according to the testimony of some folks here) it may be better to go ahead with the links. Christian Roess (talk) 20:52, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep as it stands. I sometimes look at the transcluded information, especially if ITN is on a go-slow. As for slowing down loading times, well I'm barely at 1MB/s at it's still just fine, so I think that's a non-argument. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, on the principle of least disruption to the few who use it. Stephen 22:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Nobel Prizes

Has there ever been discussion about the organization of Nobel prizes in the main page? If we posted them all (which is possible as they are ITN/R) they would overwhelm all other stories. But as it appears now, the presence of some and absence of others would be conspicuous to a general public who is unaware of the quality considerations. GCG (talk) 11:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd love to "ongoing" it but they don't maintain a 2017 Nobel Prize winners article. FWIW I prefer the shorter blurbs that exclude "why" they won. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 14:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
We've never had the problem with them overwhelming the news in the past. At one point I think we had 4 of 5 news ITN items as Nobels but that was for at most a day. They are arguably treated as separate prizes by the media, I don't see a reason to change. --MASEM (t) 15:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Where did the RD's go?

There's only one RD suddenly, and the Vegas shooting is still on the reel so everything back to Tom Petty should still be up there. - Floydian τ ¢ 01:21, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

RDs are removed 7 days after the date of death. Stephen 01:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
If the lack of RDs bothers you, the method to getting the problem fixed is to find people who have recently died and then improve and update their articles until they are of sufficient quality to appear on the main page. Deaths in 2017 is a good place to look for candidates. Problem solved! --Jayron32 12:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
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