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This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies and the featured items can be discussed.

Do you have a suggestion for improving DYK, or would like to comment on the suggestions of others? Have your say at Wikipedia:Did you know/2017 reform proposals.

Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list is now over a week old and is about to be archived; here is an updated list of 37 old nominations. Right now we have a total of 262 nominations, of which 143 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these ones that have been waiting a while, especially the two oldest that each need a hook to be checked.

Over two months old: (hook checks needed)

Over one month old:

Other old nominations:

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

It has been nearly a week, and a significant majority of these nominations are still unreviewed. Adding a note to prevent this from being archived while so many listed here still need reviewing. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:57, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Possible nomination?

I recently expanded a "stub" article - Bart Sawyer - and would like to know if it meets the criteria for a DYK nomination. The article itself could use some copy editing but the suggested hook is supported by a reliable source.

  • Did you know Bart Sawyer's pro wrestling gimmick was inspired by Bart Simpson? (The Encyclopedia of Professional Wrestling: 100 Years of History, Headlines & Hitmakers, pg. 228)

Regards,

72.74.204.110 (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Looks like it's well more than a 5x expansion, so definitely eligible. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. Do I just leave the hook here until it gets reviewed? 72.74.204.110 (talk) 22:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I have created a nomination for you: Template:Did you know nominations/Bart Sawyer. Please keep an eye on it, as it gets reviewed. And please answer any questions that arise on that template. This nomination has also been added to the WP:DYKN nominations for July 16. Thank you for submitting this nomination, and good luck. — Maile (talk) 12:35, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll do that. Thank you. 72.74.204.110 (talk) 00:43, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Pulled lead image from Dorothy Hazard in Prep 6

@Yunshui:, @Gerda Arendt:, @Cwmhiraeth: I just wanted to let you know that I pulled the lead image for the Dorothy Hazard hook as it was not free. According to the file description it was created in 1923 or later in the UK and the artist died less than 70 years ago. I have replaced it with another image from the same prep. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:09, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks IG. That balls-up was totally my fault; I don't know how I managed to misconstrue the dates. I've removed it from the article and have solicited its deletion on Commons. Much obliged. Yunshui  07:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Trump book hooks

Note to promoters: There has been a run of Donald Trump-authored books on the Approved page lately. Please space them out so they won't run every day. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I wouldn't mind banning such political stuff altogether per WP:SOAPBOX. I've noticed a lot of such hooks lately as a casual Main Page visitor, and none of them are interesting. Did you know that the book Time to Get Tough by Donald Trump was written with the assistance of editors from Breitbart News? Well, who'd have thunk!? DaßWölf 23:35, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Daß Wölf You've touched on something that has been bothering me for the last year, but I'm not sure anything in DYK guidelines covers this. Adoring fan worship aside, DYK for the last year has featured this guy enough to be another publicity venue for him. Without even debating who or what is behind the push - fandom or planned publicity ploy, carefully planted editors willing to do it, a random orbit of fame - do we give this much free publicity to any other world leader? This is so off balance. Whatever it is, do we want to be the publicity outlet for any administration in any government? — Maile (talk) 23:50, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Let's invite a comment from Sagecandor, the main author of those Trump book articles. I don't think he has any promotional intent. Trump fascination is so pervasive (no matter your political views) that the chronicle of his deeds and misdeeds eats up a large share of the "current events" newly-minted articles, and by consequence ends up at DYK more often than balance would dictate. Not sure we should do anything about it; DYK reflects the centers of interest of article creators; I see no harm in readers seeing this. In fact, actively skewing the natural stats would be biased. However, we still need to exercise judgment about articles being interesting and not mere WP:FART news. Still, see how far the covfefe fart has gone in notability… — JFG talk 05:52, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you to JFG for having the courtesy to notify me of this discussion, which, unfortunately, others did not do. No, I have no promotional intent. I've written articles about books credited to Trump himself [1]. I've written articles about books critical of Trump [2]. Trump is the President of the United States. As such, he's going to be more popular and/or more notorious than he was in years past. This is only natural. He was already famous, now he is more famous. We can't stick our heads in the sand and ignore reality. Sagecandor (talk) 05:57, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@JFG and Sagecandor: My comments were not about your personal work, nor was it specifically about the books. As far as I know, you are not the nominator of all the referred to subject hooks of the last year. It has nothing to do with anybody's popularity, or lack thereof. My comments were about balance. Wikipedia is a global organization. — Maile (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
In that case, the comments are inaccurate. It is not "publicity to a world leader", as some of it is positive commentary, and some of it is negative criticism. It is a balanced reflection of the secondary source coverage. It is NPOV. Sagecandor (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Sagecandor: regardless of whether this is NPOV, many of these hooks fail the "interesting" criterion. E.g. "Did you know that the book Time to Get Tough by Donald Trump was written with the assistance of editors from Breitbart News?" Our article on Breitbart News says that this is a far-right publication. A right-wing president writes a book with the assistance of a right-wing website editor? I don't see how that's main-page worthy. DaßWölf 23:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
He was not right-wing at the time of the book's publication. Sagecandor (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Walt Disney Parks and resorts

Today's featured list commemorates these theme parks with the original Disneyland opening on July 17, 1955, and the blurb includes a picture of a green Disney locomotive. And guess what, Queue 2, going live at 12.00 UTC, celebrates the same thing with the picture of another green locomotive? Does this duplication on the main page matter? Would it be better to keep the DYK for a different day? @Jackdude101: whose GA this is. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

It's on the main page now, and IMO it doesn't really matter. The DYK image is showing the Disneyland railroad and the FL shows the Walt Disney World railroad. Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
In their defense, the locomotives in the images are pointing in opposite directions. Seriously though, both entries reference different articles (both of which have featured status), and their respective wikilinks on the main page are mutually exclusive. Similar? Yes. Duplicates? No. Jackdude101 (Talk) 23:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Are you struggling to find people to help you review DYKs?

Well, you've put me right off.

Template:Did you know nominations/Carlisle Best. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:30, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't wish to dance on this project's grave, but +1 to the above view. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:37, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Yup, that particular nomination is a gold standard demonstration of how to dissuade anyone from contributing. Best to leave it to the WikiCup people. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
"Best to leave it to the WikiCup people." Please explain what you mean. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
As demonstrated, this is no longer a project to encourage new editors to expand material, it's simply a badge-winning exercise with a high percentage of editors who return for those badges. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Question about a potential DYK nomination

I would like to nominate the Jamaica High School article for DYK. It has been expanded from 2475 to 17348 characters in the previous day, so it qualifies for 5x expansion. But when I use DYK check, it says that the article has not been expanded in the last 10 days, and the tool refers to this revision in 2008 (a revert from a total page blanking, when the article was a little bigger than the revision right before the article expansion, in May 2017.

My question is, does 5-fold expansion count from the May 2017 version of the article, or from the larger 2008 version of the article whose unsourced contents were removed long before the May 2017 version? epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

@Epicgenius:I would strongly support it counting as you've done a great amount of research and writing and have helped Wikipedia readers for this effort. Sagecandor (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Sagecandor: It's actually not my article. It was expanded by Tdorante10. epicgenius (talk) 17:54, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah my mistake, apologies about that. Yes, I think it can satisfy as DYK under these particular circumstances. Sagecandor (talk) 17:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. With the page size tool I use, it has been expanded from 2475 B to 18 kB. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I will nominate the article now. epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Question about nominating multiple articles at once, but with some of the alt hooks dealing with only a single article and others dealing with multiple articles

Sorry for the long title. I want to nominate Star Wars Hotel and Disney Skyliner for DYK status. One of my proposed alt hooks include both articles in a single hook. However, there is also another pair of proposed hooks that I am thinking of, where each article has their own hook. So do I nominate these using one template (Template:Did you know nominations/Star Wars Hotel and Disney Skyliner) or two templates (.../Star Wars Hotel and .../Disney Skyliner)? What is the policy on that? epicgenius (talk) 01:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

There isn't any strict policy on template names, just as long as it makes it clear what the hook is about. For example Template:Did you know nominations/Royal Tunbridge Wells didn't even have Royal Tunbridge Wells as one of the bolded links. The Royal C (talk) 11:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, thanks. epicgenius (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
For a start, whatever name you choose, don't try changing the template name part way through the process because that apparently messes things up. If you call it "Star Wars Hotel" for example, it can include a single article or more than one, or a further article could be added later. No problem.
However, I think there is a more fundamental problem. If you had a single nomination with a two article hook, that would be fine, but if there was a single nomination and you wanted to end up with two, single article hooks, that might cause problems. If the hooks were to be included in two separate prep sets, the nomination would be archived after the first hook was promoted to prep. Two separate hooks in the same prep set might be OK, but we try to mix up the hooks to have a range of subjects in each set. It would probably be best to nominate the articles jointly with one hook, and the nomination could be split at a later date if that seemed best. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Oh, OK. I'm only nominating one of these articles anyway, so right now it doesn't matter, but it's still helpful to know for the future, so thanks. epicgenius (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #3 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 22:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Adding another article to a DYK hook that has already been approved

I want to also nominate 2017 New York City ePrix as part of Template:Did you know nominations/Brooklyn Street Circuit. The revision to the hook consists of bolding the link. However, the original article, Brooklyn Street Circuit, has already been approved.

I have done a QPQ that I can add to this new hook. Is it possible to change the hook at this time? I already pinged the nominator Giants2008 about this. epicgenius (talk) 02:45, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

You should open the template and add the additional QPQ. If I understand what you did, ALT4 is the same as ALT3, except that you bolded the 2017 New York City ePrix link. The hook has already been approved. So, I made note of that on the nomination template, and added DYKmake and DYKnom templates for 2017 New York City ePrix so the bot will see it when it goes to the main page. — Maile (talk) 00:17, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
epicgenius, there has been a (required) review of the new article, and I've also added the other major contributors to it to the list of DYKmake templates. It looks like only a little bit more is needed to be done for the nomination to get a renewed tick. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #1 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 10:26, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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