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Did you know ...

  • that two articles on the same species of coral written by the same author have appeared in the DYK section on the Main Page, the monotypic genus Manicina in 2017 and Manicina areolata in 2012? (Frankly, I think the older one is better - the new one is heavy on impenetrable jargon - but your milage may vary.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.126 (talk) 21:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, you're right, and I'm wondering how it came about. The first was written on the species when I was new(ish), and the second one on the genus, which is the correct procedure when a genus contains a single species. Also, the coral had been moved to a different family in the interim. Is this a DYK record? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Tags placed on current DYK

Resolved

Can someone explain to me why KATMAKROFAN keeps insisting that Plated (meal kits), which is currently on the main page should be tagged. I may be too close to the article, but I don't understand the complaints.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I reverted this one (no. 2). Generally, I don't think tags on top of an article do much good. I haven't seen a casual reader improve an article prompted by such a tag, and the watching regulars can be reached on the article talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:36, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Industrial farming vs. Beatrix Potter

  • ... that songs and books for children (Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) often depict happy farm animals in attractive countryside, glossing over the realities of intensive indoor rearing and slaughter?

from Prep 3. Template:Did you know nominations/Animal husbandry @Chiswik Chap, Cwmhiraeth, Cognissonance, and Alex Shih: and User:7&6=thirteen (from whom pings don't work, I believe?).

First, as the source [1] makes clear, of course Betrix Potter and the like do this, as "intensive indoor rearing" didn't exist yet. "Since much of the classic literature we’re talking about here was written before the advent of factory farming, when land-based agriculture was the norm, you could say that it presents a fairly faithful view of how farming used to be." So no "glossing over" but "a fairly faithful view". Also problematic is that the source isn't a neutral, independent source, but a seriously partisan one: Compassion in World Farming is, according to our own article on them, "a campaigning and lobbying animal welfare organisation" (although apparentmy a fairly good and honest one at that).

This section in this GA needs to be rewritten, and the hook should be pulled and replaced by a better one. Fram (talk) 07:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: ping gone wrong... Fram (talk) 07:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

The Tale of Pigling Bland by Beatrix Potter
The Tale of Pigling Bland by Beatrix Potter
The hook is about children's books in general, both ancient and modern, and not just Beatrix Potter. But you could change the hook to
  • ... that songs and books for children (Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) often depict happy farm animals in attractive countryside, glossing over the realities of livestock farming? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
...which ignores that the source given calls it "a fairly faithful view", not "glossing over". And the article explicitly discusses this in the context of such old books (Potter and Winnie the Poo). Fram (talk) 08:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
The source says "But these much-loved books often paint a picture of farming that’s more rosy than it is realistic. Nine times out of ten, these fictional farms feature ruddy-cheeked farmers and their happy animals, who are free to roam rolling green fields and pretty meadows." and "Since much of the classic literature we’re talking about here was written before the advent of factory farming, when land-based agriculture was the norm, you could say that it presents a fairly faithful view of how farming used to be. But here’s the thing: even contemporary kids’ pop culture paints a relentlessly glossy image of farming, avoiding the harsh realities of food production at all costs." (my emphasis) - The source is fairly represented by the hook, and indeed by the text of the paragraph. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
You took two disjointed piexes of text, and ignore the even contemporary kids’ pop culture (just before your second bolded text!). The source has one description of the old books, and one about contemporary pop culture, and you not only succeed in mixing these two in one text and hook, but to fail to recognise this even when it is pointed out to you. Staggering... Perhaps not only the DYK needs to be pulled but the GA status revoked as well if this is the level of source reading that is being done. Fram (talk) 09:23, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, expanded the bolded bit, you're right about that. The point we're making is that kids' culture, books, songs, films, all of it, not just or even especially Beatrix Potter, consistently emphasises the happy animals in sunny surroundings, which is what both the hook and the source say. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:26, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
No, what the article and hook say is that Potter, Milne, ... gloss over the harsh reality of factory farming, even though factory farming was not the norm at that time at all. Juxtaposing the old classics with the current livestock farming situation just won't do. Fram (talk) 09:40, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
It seems that the problem is that an illustration from Beatrix Potter's works (written before factory farming existed) is being used to illustrate a comment about how modern children's literature depicts modern farming. The picture is irrelevant to the point being made and misleads the reader as to the realities of Ms. Potter's time. --Khajidha (talk) 11:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Also note: pigs don't actually walk upright, wear jackets and waistcoats, and politely converse (as they do with modern farming methods). I mean, thousands of parents still read these stories, which are ostensibly about "pigs" and "rabbits" and so on, to their children today, but they don't explain that pigs don't actually walk and talk or that animals are routinely factory farmed for meat? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
And Peter Rabbit's father was savagely murdered and eaten, so it wasn't all happiness and light. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:48, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Citation needed. He was cooked and eaten. He might have willingly put his head on the block after his clearly domineering wife drove him to suicide. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:07, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Why can't I get a McRabbit Sandwich over the counter these days? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, surprising, given the deeply entrenched Thatcherist subtext. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:07, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I have pulled this, as this would have hit the main page in a few hours time. I have not reopened the nomination, nor have I replaced the hook (the image hook!) in the set. As it is still in prep, anyone can make the necessary changes if they want to. Fram (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm sure the nomination could be easily kept, and the picture still used, if the hook was tweaked to something like ".. that songs and books for children (Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) often depict happy farm animals looking after themselves, without the need for any farmer", etc. ? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
I reopened the nomination on the Approved page. Yoninah (talk) 23:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
By the way, you can ping 7&6=thirteen by doing {{ping|7&6{{=}}thirteen}}. Pppery 23:55, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Admin needed to promote prep in the next 35 minutes—the prep set is now complete. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Prep 5 - List of songs recorded by Steps

The citation referencing the hook is dead. Usernameunique, Yoninah, Calvin999. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

No it isn't. The archive URl isn't working for some reason. I'll re-archive it.  — Calvin999 09:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I've re-archived it but it's still saying it can't open it. Should I just remove the archive URL? because the original URL works fine.  — Calvin999 09:38, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Remove the archive and try using the tool available in the "History" tab to add archive links to all citations, if that's not what you're already doing. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I tried it again on Webcitation.org  — Calvin999 10:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I used the tool and it's saying that some are dead now when they aren't?  — Calvin999 10:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

A monument for the 1838 Mormon War in France?

(prep 6, the next queue to hit the main page). Template:Did you know nominations/Nancy Coonsman @Elisa.rolle, Adityavagarwal, and Cwmhiraeth:

At first, I thought it was simply a case of poor capitalization, and "Missouri war memorial" would do the trick. But according to the article, this really is a memorial for the Missouri War, which is actually the 1838 Mormon War... There was no "Missouri War" during World War I, this is a war memorial erected to honour the men from Missouri who died in 1917-1918 instead. Fram (talk) 08:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)


sorry if I do not remember but I think there was not a wikilink to Missouri War and the meaning was that the war memorial was paid and put up by rhe state of Missouri. Could we change it in Missouri World War I memorial?Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
The link to Missouri War was present from the very start in the article[2]. Fram (talk) 08:44, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
How about

Leftism, that fabulous Leftfield album...

[[ (in Prep 6, the next queue to hit the mainpage). Template:Did you know nominations/Jiva Pandu Gavit @Fitindia, Kosack, and Cwmhiraeth:

It may be a surprise for the 3 representatives from the Peasants and Workers Party of India that they are not leftist (and perhaps the same can be said about the representative from the Bharipa Bahujan Mahasangh, the Rashtriya Samaj Paksha and the Samajwadi Party). Fram (talk) 08:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Leftism, rightism, centrism and Indian politics don't mean much to me, rendering me utterly unfit to promote such hooks to prep. However, as you're stuck with me, I have changed the hook to read.

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I have just refilled Prep 3, and it can be promoted as soon as an admin comes by (pinging Alex Shih, Cas Liber, and Maile, in the hopes that one of them are on line and available in the next 40 minutes or so). Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Prep 4/Caroline Winslow

Folks, I've just pulled this out of Prep 4 because I believe it not to be ready for the main page. There are grammatical errors, but more importantly, there are statements verging on the promotional: statements I would have flagged if I had reviewed this at NPP, let alone DYK. These need to be fixed before the article may be featured. Also, there is now a hole in Prep 4 that needs filling. @Cwmhiraeth, Gerda Arendt, and Elisa.rolle:, nomination page. Vanamonde (talk) 06:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I heard that Elisa wants to withdraw from DYK, see her talk. Could it simply be closed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I have filled the hole in prep 4 with another bio hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:56, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Cwm. Gerda, that's an unfortunate result. I haven't been too active here lately, so I'm unsure what conflicts led to the withdrawal. From what I've seen, Elisa.rolle's articles were imperfect (and which of us writes perfect articles?) but a definite net positive. The issues I just flagged are non-trivial but not fatal. So, I'm not going to close this at least for now, to allow any interested watchers to step in. I'd fix these myself had I the time. If anybody else closes this, I will not object. Vanamonde (talk) 09:13, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps you speak to Elisa, who has used the term Witch hunt, on her talk. I have a busy weekend, sorry that I can't help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
stand on my position, if there are issue with this DYK I prefer to withdraw it. Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I have copyedited the article and think this nomination should proceed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:50, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I think the term "witch hunt" is not only inappropriate and a clear violation of Assume Good Faith, but we've been seeing quite a few withdrawals of nominations from this editor when issues are found with her nominations. Perhaps a mentor could be found who could help her navigate these issues and help her avoid them in future submissions? BlueMoonset (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
My approach is and will continue to be to withdraw the nomination when unnecessary reason are found to block my DYK (see pulling a DYK from Prep for having included a sentence from a 1899 article, obviously in Public Domain, including the source and clipping the article, but not adding the PD notice, or this copyvio report [3] where all read sentences are positions achieved). I stopped to assume good faith on those editors long ago, they have proven more than once, there is no good faith, but a clear hunt for stupid reason. And I do not need any mentor since I will not write DYK anymore, thank you. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
As I explained in the nomination, the issues are largely not specific to DYK. They include things like missing attribution of both PD and Wikipedia text, close paraphrasing or copying of non-free sources, and use of unreliable sources - all of which are non-stupid problems which carry over beyond the DYK context. Thus, even if you choose not to submit articles to DYK any more, a mentor would not be a bad idea. This, on the other hand, is. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
BlueMoonset: Care someone to explain how you can paraphrase: "executive secretary of the Oregon Tuberculosis Association", "state president of the Oregon Federation of Women's Clubs", "President of the General Federation of Women's Clubs", "the Oregon Federation of Women's Club", "the Oregon Federation of Women’s Clubs established The Saidie Orr Dunbar Nursing Education Fund Trust", "University of Oregon Libraries, Special Collections and University Archives", because this is the reason why some editors pulled a DYK from prep with a copyvio report of "Violation Unlikely 24.8% confidence". I asked Alex Shih to withdraw the DYK and I deleted, and will continue to delete the copyvio tag the editor put on the article. And I lost count how many time this happened in the last few days. Sorry there is no good faith here. Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
That is not in fact the reason why I pulled the article - you can see my explanation at the nomination page. You should not be removing tags from articles without addressing the problem. And per above, since these problems have recurred in several of your nominations, I again encourage you to review the relevant guidelines and apply them to your editing. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Elisa.rolle, Nikkimaria has been DYK's go-to person for close paraphrasing and copyvio problems for many years now, and our prep sets are always the better for her careful eye. So if she has tagged an article with the copyvio template, then it has copyvios. I think you have a misunderstanding of the Earwig tool, since it has its own limitations and its percentages are far from ironclad: I've found clear copyvios with scores as low as 9%, so its use of "unlikely" is all too frequently wrong—one should always look at the highlighted text to make an accurate determination. Take the "oregongfwc.org/history.html" source: Earwig gives "Violation unlikely" with a "21.3% confidence", yet there is an entire paragraph copied: In 1941, under the sponsorship of the Oregon Federation of Women's Club, legislation was introduced and passed by the Oregon Legislature providing for blood testing of prospective mothers in an effort to detect and control syphilis. (Since "Oregon Federation of Women's Club" is expanded from "OFWC" in the original, it still counts as copying.) Similarly, in the "17.4% confidence" source, "fconline.foundationcenter.org/grantmaker-profile/index?key=DUNB001", the sentence Scholarship are awarded to individuals accepted to master's or doctoral nursing programs in Oregon under the condition that they must practice in the state upon graduation. is identical except that "are awarded" was "awards" in the original. Your ideas for what is acceptable to take unchanged from the original source are clearly too broad if you believe either of these are permissible, or not sufficient to warrant an article template. Please do not continue to delete such article templates; it is not appropriate for you to do so. Copyvio issues are among the most serious here at Wikipedia, and they should be dealt with promptly when discovered. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

BlueMoonset: "Scholarship are awarded to individuals accepted to master's or doctoral nursing programs in Oregon under the condition that they must practice in the state upon graduation" is the OFFICIAL reason to award the scholarship. Not only should not be paraphrased, paraphrasing should be discoraged. This is not my opinion, this is common sense.
and the sentence "In 1941, under the sponsorship of the Oregon Federation of Women's Club, legislation was introduced and passed by the Oregon Legislature providing for blood testing of prospective mothers in an effort to detect and control syphilis." is from an official webpage of the OFWC that does not have copyright notice.
but as I said, your "good" editing can continue as you please, I will withdraw my current DYKs one after the other as soon as this type of reviews are done, and above all will not write more, achieving a double purpose: my peace, and less work to you. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
first evidence [4] "The death of Mrs. Saidie Orr Dunbar in Portland Monday removed from the scene one of the ablest women in Oregon history. Her great work was in the field ef public health. As executive secretary for the state organization to combat tuberculosis she toured the state regularly, setting up local groups to aid in the fight against TB. Her concern for public health did not end with combatting this killing disease. She promoted the setting up of county health departments in the general cause of better health. Her proven qualities of leadership and of organizing ability brought her addi-tional honors and responsibilities. She was president of the Oregon Federation of Women's Clubs in 1923 and of the General Federation from 1938 to 1941. Other causes claimed her interest and her guidance, such as the mustering of women for war work in World War II. Oregon is a far better place to live in, a better place to rear families in be-cause of the devoted public service of Mrs. Saidie Orr Dunbar."
my article "Saidie Orr Dunbar became the executive secretary of the Oregon Tuberculosis Association in 1913 and served in that position until her retirement in 1951. She toured Oregon regularly, setting up local groups to aid in the fight against tuberculosis. She promoted the setting up of county health departments. [...] From 1923 to 1926 she was the state president of the Oregon Federation of Women's Clubs and was a member of the National federation. She was elected President of the General Federation of Women's Clubs in 1938 and was in role until 1941. [...] She was involved in the American Way of Life program during World War II." --> Copyvio report not available since article is not online.
second evidence [5] (NOTE the webpage DOES NOT HAVE copyright notice) "From 1938 - 1941, Oregon’s Saidie Orr Dunbar served as President of GFWC. In 1941, under the sponsorship of OFWC, legislation was introduced and passed by the Oregon Legislature providing for blood testing of prospective mothers in an effort to detect and control syphilis. In 1942, OFWC had 137 clubs and 5866 members. [...] In 1946 the Penny Art Fund Scholarship was started and the first scholarship given in 1948. In 1948, GFWC held their 57th convention in Portland. In 1956 the Saidie Orr Dunbar Nursing Fund was established and in 1961, the Virginia Lang Music scholarships were established."
my article "She was elected President of the General Federation of Women's Clubs in 1938 and was in role until 1941. [...] In 1941, under the sponsorship of the Oregon Federation of Women's Club, legislation was introduced and passed by the Oregon Legislature providing for blood testing of prospective mothers in an effort to detect and control syphilis. [...] The American Lung Association and the Oregon Federation of Women’s Clubs established The Saidie Orr Dunbar Nursing Education Fund Trust in her honor in 1956." --> Copyvio report: Violation Unlikely, 21.3%, confidence
third evidence [6]: "Saidie Orr Dunbar Nursing Education Fund, 822 John Street, Seattle, WA United States 98109, Telephone: (503) 924-4094, Type of Grantmaker: Independent foundation, Established in 1956 in OR, Purpose and Activities: Scholarship awards to individuals accepted to master's or doctoral nursing programs in Oregon under the condition that they must practice in the state upon graduation."
my article "The American Lung Association and the Oregon Federation of Women’s Clubs established The Saidie Orr Dunbar Nursing Education Fund Trust in her honor in 1956. Scholarship are awarded to individuals accepted to master's or doctoral nursing programs in Oregon under the condition that they must practice in the state upon graduation." --> Copyvio report: Violation Unlikely, 17.4%, confidence
fouth evidence [7]: "Saidie Orr Dunbar, fourteenth international president of the General Federation of Women's Clubs, 1938—1941. During her term, Saidie instituted a two—year course of study on Latin America that culminated with a Good Neighbor Tour to South America in 1940."
my article: "She was elected President of the General Federation of Women's Clubs in 1938 and was in role until 1941. She instituted a two-year course of study on Latin America that culminated with a Good Neighbor Tour to South America in 1940." --> Copyvio report: Violation Unlikely, 15.3%, confidence
All copyvio reports are GREEN and the violation is unlikely due to the fact they are mostly accomplishments and positions. Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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If you feel a particular phrase from the source should not be paraphrased, then put it in quotation marks so it's clear it's been taken directly from the source. But just because a source does not have an obvious copyright notice, doesn't mean it's free for us to use. See WP:COPYOTHERS. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Elisa.rolle: You are missing the point, Elisa. Anyway, I have copyedited Saidie Orr Dunbar to 0.0% so hopefully it's fine to remove the maintenance template now. If you have any article that has been asked to be copyedited for issues, just ask me or anyone else, or else just try to incorporate the texts properly, thanks. Alex ShihTalk 16:36, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Alex Shih, maybe I'm missing the point at this point, but the improper behaviour of others pushed me to this point. Thank you for the editing job on the article, I will check no important info had been lost. In this case I trust you. Elisa.rolle (talk) 16:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Elisa.rolle, there has been no improper behavior by others, and it is unfortunate that you continue to believe there is. You should not continue to believe that Earwig's report's numbers are a confirmation of a lack of problems, because it is not. Since you don't believe us, I am pinging The Earwig; perhaps he will be convincing as to what his tool's scores actually mean. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hmm, I seem to have missed the party here. I don't particularly appreciate the suggestion that Elisa.rolle's nominations were being pulled with malicious intent, but I work on south Asian politics, an area which makes this insinuation seem refreshingly polite. Elisa, please, don't turn allies into enemies. I for one am pleased to see articles on notable women that did not previously exist at DYK: I've created and nominated few WIR entries myself. I just believe we need to do the subjects justice before featuring them on the main page. This includes addressing issues with grammar, copyright, neutrality, and sourcing. It isn't too much to ask you to adhere to community norms on close paraphrasing, even if your personal opinion is different: I have strong personal views on many of our guidelines, but I do not let them get in the way of improving articles to a common standard. If the DYK process is stressful, I'm sure there are a number of editors both here and at WIR who would be willing to look over entries before they are nominated or reviewed. I don't believe there are many people here who do not wish to see more WIR entries at DYK; nor are there many (any?) folks who bear you personal ill-will, and I think in your own interests it's time you realized that. Vanamonde (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Vanamonde: nope, sorry, stating again, for my own peace I will not write DYK anymore. Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, I'm not sure what you want to achieve more than me already stating that I will not partecipate anymore in DYK so that to avoid further problem. This attitude is starting to really resembling the witch hunt you said at first it wasn't. I kindly ask you to stop here for the good peace of me and you all as well. Thank you. Elisa.rolle (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
I find that attitude unconstructive, particularly as not submitting creations to DYK does not exempt them from policies about copyright, sourcing, and MOS: but we cannot compel you to submit anything here. Vanamonde (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't really know what's going on here, nor do I have an interest reading through this entire conversation, but I take it that some people are wondering where the copyvio tool gets its numbers from. In short, absence of a result (or a low %) means little and is not something you should draw conclusions from (nowhere do I ever claim that not finding a violation means no violation exists), and larger percentages mean that the tool happened to find a possible source with a lot of words in common (either relative to the size of the article, or in absolute number of words). Its main job is to scan for possible violations in lots of articles quickly; once you've found something or narrowed in on a particular article of interest, you need to do a manual check and evaluate how similar things are yourself. Simply getting a low percentage says nothing about close paraphrasing or similar issues, and getting a high percentage doesn't mean a violation actually exists. For a detailed explanation of numbers, see this conversation. — Earwig talk 19:00, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Vanamonde: I think you have missed a bit of background here, and sincerely, I do not want to dig it out again. It irks me that people throw words like not respecting copyright and/or sourcing, when my articles are ALWAYS sourced and that I go on even clipping articles which are not available online to allow everyone to see the source. But alas, everyone is entitled to decide what to do and not to do, and I decided not to write DYK anymore. As you said, I think it's a loss of representation on the DYKs but I hope someone else, with better patience (and attitude?) than me will cover. Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:03, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #2 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 10:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done Vanamonde (talk) 10:34, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Prep 4 - ... that as of 12 September, 48 wildfires in Montana (example pictured) were actively burning?

This might have worked well had it been remotely close to 12 September, but it isn't. Worse, the lead starts with "... were a series ..." while the infobox says that the fires are "(ongoing)". It appears that the article isn't up to date really. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Pining: Montanabw, Bri, John P. Sadowski (NIOSH), Cwmhiraeth. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll be off and on for a few days. Fixed lede grammar. Added an end-of-season source from 23 September. Hope another editor can get an updated source for status. The source I added might have it but it is a video and I don't have time to watch it right now. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think it matters that the date given is 12 September, which is only a fortnight ago after all. The number of fires is obviously going to dwindle as summer ends and the fall sets in, and this article is about a wildfire season rather than an unfolding news item. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
A fortnight ago and getting more remote as time goes on. Never a good idea to talk about something ongoing in DYK. If this goes up the very first thing people are going to think is "So? Are any of them active NOW?" We would not have a DYK such as "...as of 19 September, hurricane Maria was battering Domenica?", this is no different.--Khajidha (talk) 16:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Too quick

Maybe going to two sets has been a move too soon, I'm seeing material already in the Queues that I haven't even seen in prep sets, and errors are creeping in, several of the most recent prep and queue articles have had to be tagged for various general Wikipedia issues, which should have been picked up by nominator, promoter or admin creating queues. More haste less speed people. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Since we moved to 2 hooks/day almost every set has not been queued in advance, and there's a significant increase in issues being raised here. People are being too focused on getting it done quickly. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:50, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Agreed, let's switch back. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Valid points with which I agree. The backlog has reduced to 100 and I would support returning to one set a day. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Would it alternatively be possible to make an effort to fill up some more of the preps in advance? That would give more time to re-check the hooks (I can do some of this if it would help) before they get precipitously close to the main page. In 9 days the approved nominations have gone from 161 to 104 (not counting the 17 currently in prep), for an average reduction of 6 per day. 3 or 4 more days of 2 sets would likely bring the backlog down to the low end of Cwmhiraeth's original suggestion of 80 to 100. It could also remove most of the hooks that are older than 3–4 weeks, and the less time that passes between approval and appearance on the main page, the less room for additional problems to crop up. But like The Rambling Man said, the emphasis should be on quality hooks/articles. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:40, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
If there is no opposing views I'll switch the timer back to 24 hours after the current queue. Alex ShihTalk 10:50, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Prep 4

@JuneGloom07: @Gronk Oz: @Cwmhiraeth:

This hook focuses on a non-notable production mixer who does not have a Wikipedia page, and who only earned a nomination and not a win. This is not going to attract too many hits. The article does have a nice length, so it shouldn't be so hard to come up with a real "hook". Yoninah (talk) 20:45, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Agreed, another hook for the sake of it. If Wikipedia doesn't care who Klaus Landsberg is, why should any of our readers. This is basic stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Agree, though that is the ALT hook - is the primary one okay? --Gronk Oz (talk) 05:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Pulled. I don't care about the hits, much more important is that the hook is not supported by the source. The hook states that he got the nomination for his work on that particular episode, but the source [8] indicates that he got his nomination for his work on the series (and yes, he worked on most or all episodes, not just this one, in those years). This alt hook should never have been accepted or promoted. Fram (talk) 11:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #3 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Nominations needing work

Creating a new list of nominations that either need a full review, or have problems that need to be addressed. Special thanks to BlueMoonset, who usually fulfills this role but has kindly supported this effort.

There are currently 32 nominations on the list. Several of them are awaiting closure, only need QPQs, or simply need alternate hooks to be verified. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:50, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Awaiting closure:

Needs QPQ:

Other issues:

Review needed:

DYK is almost overdue

In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:

  1. Check the prep areas; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the suggestions page and add them and the credits as required.
  2. Once completed edit queue #4 and replace the page with the entire content from the next update
  3. Add {{DYKbotdo|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page

Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot (talk) 11:16, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Prep 5

@Narutolovehinata5: @Adityavagarwal:

I'm sorry, I don't understand this hook at all. I linked anime and manga because I wasn't sure what they were. Now that I know that anime is computer animation and manga is comics, what does that have to do with voice acting? Perhaps the hook hinges on knowing who Sayaka Harada is. But I don't. The hook is confusing rather than hooky. I think we need a new hook for an international audience. Yoninah (talk) 19:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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