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Do you have a suggestion for improving DYK, or would like to comment on the suggestions of others? Have your say at Wikipedia:Did you know/2017 reform proposals.

Too many cooks

I tried to consolidate the two sections above about Beryl Rawson as the content belongs together. This then resulted in a muddle as others rushed to revert while I was still in the middle of this. Anyway, here's my comment on the matter. I am putting this in a separate section for clarity, given the confused situation. Andrew D. (talk) 13:25, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I received notification of this DYK appearance this morning and then had to waste some time establishing how and why the original approved hook was ruined. I discovered this correspondence which took place overnight while I was mostly asleep. And, in any case, there was no attempt to consult with the original authors, nominator or reviewer. The outcome here is exasperating. The topic was originally created at an editathon and I was planning to give the hook's appearance at DYK some follow-up publicity. Now, I don't want to do this because the hook now seems bloated and ugly. Please can people stop enabling such disruption of DYK. Andrew D. (talk) 13:16, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a collaborative project. The hook in question was bland and had no context whatsoever. The hook was vastly improved by adding context in that the use of computers at that time was quite novel and made it so much more interesting. I'd recommend it's used for follow-up publicity as a great example of how Wikipedia allows for communities to work out incremental improvements and that nobody owns anything. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
It's not about O-W-N, it's about R-E-S-P-E-C-T. EEng 15:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
"Post of the day!" The Rambling Man (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Whatever. Like I said, R-E-S-P-E-C-T. EEng 16:00, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, we should respect the will of the community over the ownership of an individual. That's right. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Having the courtesy to consult the person who had the original idea, did most of the hard work, and probably knows the topic best has nothing to do with ownership. Go ahead and parrot yourself again now. EEng 16:20, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't think we need "expert opinion" on that hook, nor was there much "hard work", but bravo for trying. And, moving on from this rumbling!!!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
And please, refrain from the personalisation yet again, especially in the edit summaries, you should know by now that you shouldn't be doing that, ever, no matter what. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
R-E-S-P-E-C-T. EEng 05:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. Try to avoid personalising these issues. At all times, refrain from personal attacks in edit summaries. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, DYK sometimes lacks courtesy here of giving the original nominator the chance to comment on any changes made post review. Here clearly the nominator should have been informed/asked about the change if they agreed or not. It is not fair on them that admins can just run roughshod over what was originally intended just because they think its better than what the nominator wanted. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, bloody admins. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:49, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Here's a follow-up to see how that hook set scored. It's Gerda's music hooks that most need spicing up, as she won the wooden spoon again. The picture hook had quite a weak performance too. But I'm not surprised to see the mysterious Third Murderer coming out on top as I clicked through to it myself. Kudos to Ribbet32. Andrew D. (talk) 08:52, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK vs OTD on 6 February 2017

White-browed robin-chat
White-browed robin-chat
  • ... that the white-browed robin-chat sometimes nests on occupied buildings' walls and trellises covered with climbing plants?
  • ... that under the 1850–1903 Oudh Bequest, six million rupees were transferred from the Indian kingdom of Oudh to the Shia holy cities of Najaf and Karbala?
  • ... that Tilo Medek set Lenin's Decree on Peace for speaking voice and four percussionists, and wrote an opera based on a Böll novel?
  • ... that the Precordillera Platform in Argentina may have originally broken off from rocks that are now in the southeastern United States?
  • ... that in the late 1970s Beryl Rawson used computers to analyse the family life of Roman slaves?
  • ... that the Big Sur Land Trust pioneered the "conservation buyer" method of preserving land, saving thousands of acres in Big Sur from possible development?
  • ... that scholars have debated whether the mysterious Third Murderer in William Shakespeare's tragedy Macbeth was Macbeth himself?
Page views
Article 6 Feb 2017
Third Murderer
7,085
Precordillera Platform
4,338
Beryl Rawson
3,464
Oudh Bequest
2,633
Big Sur Land Trust
2,484
White-browed robin-chat
2,203
Tilo Medek
880

February 6: Sami National Day (Sami people); Sapporo Snow Festival in Japan begins (2017); Ronald Reagan Day in most U.S. states

Duckworth's Action off San Domingo
Duckworth's Action off San Domingo
Page views
Article 6 Feb 2017
Battle of San Domingo
16,126
Battle of Fort Henry
13,672
Ronald Reagan Day
9,302
Battle of Grozny (1999–2000)
5,743
Sami National Day
5,694
Black Thursday bushfires
4,106
Sapporo Snow Festival
3,673


Are you going to copy-and-paste the hooks for each set here along with the bar charts every day? If so, I'd suggest you set up a sub-page somewhere where those actually interested in this kind of thing can read it without disrupting this talk page. If nothing else, the graph demonstrates that for all the work and templates and arcane rule-keeping, DYKs on average and pro rata receive considerably fewer views than the one-man OTD show. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:05, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

The OTD figures are good, but they have 24 hours not 12, and in most cases you can't be sure whether the hits arrive via OTD, as WP is far from the only site running such a daily list. An archive of DYK hits would be nice, but it should have its own page. Could it be bot-run? Johnbod (talk) 10:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
That's why I said pro rata, they still get more hits per hour than DYKs. Plus it's HIGHLY unlikely that other sites would be listing the same OTD elements as Wikipedia, they don't normally get selected until the day before in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I have added the equivalent figures for On this day, for comparison. The monarchs Elizabeth II and George VI have been omitted because they get much bigger numbers than this on an ordinary day. The Queen went from 79,318 on the previous day to 150,110 while her father went from 44,513 to 65,146. Those are serious readerships levels; the other items are all comparatively small beer. God save the Queen! Andrew D. (talk) 13:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, enough now. It's well established that OTD readership is higher than DYK, and that OTD process is so much quicker and streamlined and less about ownership of hooks and more about the selection of good quality items for the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
As has been explained before, OTD articles are established ones which have been on Wikipedia for many years and thus as a result have a lot more links to them which mean more views while DYK is new articles that haven't been around for long and so don't have the same level of links as OTD. It is not a like for like comparison. The Royal C (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
As has been explained before, the delta between the background hits and the hits they get on the day will be almost entirely attributable to their appearance in OTD. The delta is almost always 90 to 95% of the page views for that day. Hence why Andrew has elected to ignore Elizabeth II and George VI because they have background hits in the tens of thousands. Nevertheless, their deltas weree 70,000 and 22,500. The comparison is 100% valid. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
What nonsense! It is (adopting your style) HIGHLY unlikely that other sites would be listing EXACTLY the same OTD elements as Wikipedia, but it is TOTALLY INEVITABLE that dozens or hundreds of sites, papers, printed diaries etc list LOTS of them, thus totally destroying your faux-statistical claims. Johnbod (talk) 19:01, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Ok, indulge me. Where was the anniversary of the 1999 Battle of Grozny listed, printed, published online? Or if you don't like that one, try the Black Thursday bushfires.... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
The Black Thursday bushfires got 4106 views which was about the same as Beryl Rawson's 3464. This indicates that, if it's not a prominent anniversary, then an OTD entry will get about the same level of traffic as a DYK entry. That's just what one would expect as the level of traffic will depend mainly on the attractive qualities of the hook for such items. Andrew D. (talk) 09:50, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
That didn't answer the question, but thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
But it is nonsense, nevertheless. Less than a week ago, for example, we had "Stephen, King of England was captured by forces loyal to the Empress Matilda at the Battle of Lincoln.", where Stephen drew 15,000 more hits than his baseline average. I don't think, somehow, that you would class that as a "prominent anniversary" and as we can see from above, DYKs rarely get above 5k hits, let alone 15k. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:57, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
That Battle of Lincoln was on 2 Feb. Checking the DYK for that day, we find that there were two batches. The lead hooks were Timoclea and Girl with Peaches which scored 14,062 and 24,550 respectively. Q.E.D. Andrew D. (talk) 10:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Nope, you've proved that a good picture gets good hits. Well that's a surprise! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:33, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
As has been explained before, OTD is run by one editor because it has drawn from a largely unchanging menu of items for 15 years. It gets large view counts because its items are selected for their broad appeal and because it's items appear on anniversaries, so huge amounts of traffic comes in from blogs and news items having nothing to do with the OTD appearance. EEng 13:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Not surprised to hear that, but sorry if you geuninely believe what you've written. The 20+ million vists to the Main Page per day will drive almost all the hits to OTD, not people typing in the (sometimes unorthodox) titles into the Search bar. Not to mention we'd see relatively large spikes either side of the day in question due to time zones. Your analysis is incorrect. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Nothing to do with the search bar, rather Google searches stimulated by coverage elsewhere or direct links from such coverage. Spikes on either side are easy to find. And even putting all that aside, that still leaves (again) that OTD carries items selected for their broad appeal rather than the unusual niche items typical of DYK. Go ahead and have the last broken-record word now. EEng 18:39, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, somehow in the plethora of arcane rule workery at DYK, I must have just imagined that the hooks were supposed to be interesting to a broad audience!! Time to take some of your own advice and stop feeling compelled to respond to my every post. This project is more than just you, and me....!! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:55, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
More broken record. Both OTD and DYK items are meant to be "interesting", but OTD items are mostly familiar historical whose whose significance people recognize immediately. OTD and DYK serve completely different purposes, and would be expected to have different view rates, nothing to do with quality. EEng 19:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
DYK is not interesting most of the time. And even you know that so your position here is a little contrary! Honestly though, listen to yourself. No need to feel obliged to keep up the brave arguments! Just ignore my posts as you have suggested to so many others and get back to .... whatever you do. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I've urged editors to ignore your posts when they're picayune rumbling on transient items; this subject has broader significance. Anyway, I see you've run out of strawmen, so as far as I'm concerned we're done. But you may wish to rumble on. EEng 19:20, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I was waiting for you to make it personal, but at least this time it was on a talk page rather than via the backdoor, your usual MO. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Off-topic bickering
<rolls eyes> EEng 20:43, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Bravo, magnifico! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
<continues rolling eyes> EEng 22:11, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, your regular program has resumed. But I must thank you for refraining from your usual backdoor tactics. Now then, more eye rolling? Or can we just put this one to bed? Either way, take your own advice and have a little break from this urgent need to keep responding to me. It's unhealthy. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
<continues rolling eyes> EEng 22:21, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────How about you two just go back to ignoring each other from a distance? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I've already suggested that Eeng follows his own advice and ignores me but he just can't. Do as I say, not as I do etc! They often say that those who can't stop talking about you want more. Wowsers! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:30, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, and they often say "the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise", and that they're "so fed up with the constant bickering" they could "staple their own ears shut with a nail-gun""sew up their own eyelids with rusty pins" , etc. etc. Often. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
You can hear this? Wow. Screen reader? The Rambling Man (talk) 05:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Easy fix, just stop following my edits! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Is there a user-specific watch page filter? Will ask at Village Pump. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't know, but it's easier than that, just stop feeding your obsession by not clicking on my edits! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:47, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Shucks, yes, you’re right. The nature of my condition means that I find it impossible to disengage, even on the most trivial matter, and I always insist on having the last word. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Just stop stalking my edits and everything will be just fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:46, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
"Stalking"?? Surely you mean "offering polite and timely helpful responses"? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
No, I mean stalking. I really do. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I see. Then I refuse to respond, in case I get dragged off to AN/I. Sorry for imagining this discussion was open to all. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
It's nothing to do with this specific discussion, it's to do with your obsession of following me around, responding to everything I write, and then complaining about it all. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Now that certainly does deserve an AN/I report. Look forward to seeing the diffs. I hardly think 24 hours in one day allows time to respond to "everythingj you write." But I generally complain first. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
No, no report necessary. I'm used to you being around, but I don't understand why you then complain about my edits if you've actively decided to follow them all. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:44, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
But I'm not "actively following them all", am I. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Who knows what you're up to, but you show up at a statistically significant number of places just after me. Perhaps it's just a coincidence. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
"Go ahead, dude and show me your Chi-squared." Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
There's no need. It's as obvious as the sky is blue. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:22, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Ah right, so it is. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
That makes no sense. I'd quit while you're behind. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:41, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
TRM, if you really believe that the significance/importance of an article and/or its topicality have nothing to do with the number of views it generates, you are just being silly. Vanamonde (talk) 08:58, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
No, I didn't say it had "nothing to do with the number of views". But thanks for trying. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
If significance and topicality are actually a factor (as you just admitted) then DYK vs OTD views are an apples-and-oranges comparison, and tell us nothing, contrary to your repeated assertions here. It's bad statistics, as Johnbod already pointed out. Vanamonde (talk) 10:50, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Not at all, as I have already demonstrated above. Thanks though. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:22, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Tend to agree with your fruit analogy. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I stumbled on this discussion by chance, found it full of intrigue, and find myself, now, drawn to opine. I believe Vanamonde93 has reached the correct conclusion; in effect that: DYK v. OTD based on page views is an apple v. orange comparison that leverages statistical misrepresentations to bolster a facade of dominance that factually does not exist. Consider, for example, this OTD v. Otd comparison from the same day with OTD being eligible titles that did appear on the main page, and Otd being eligible titles that could have appeared on the main page although they did not.

OTD page views
Article / Daily avg / Increase 6 Feb 2017
Battle of San Domingo / 862 / 15264
16,126
Battle of Fort Henry / 913 / 12759
13,672
Ronald Reagan Day / 538 / 8764
9,302
Battle of Grozny (1999–2000) / 441 / 5302
5,743
Sami National Day / 375 / 5319
5,694
Black Thursday bushfires / 221 / 3885
4,106
Sapporo Snow Festival / 399 / 3274
3,673
Net gain = 54567 views
Otd page views
Article / Daily avg / Increase 6 Feb 2017
Munich air disaster / 3948 / 42511
46,459
February 6 / 3281 / 39122
42,403
Michael Jordan / 20949 / 9078
30,027
Babe Ruth / 5367 / 5222
10,589
Gary Moore / 1613 / 2753
4,366
Arthur Ashe / 2070 / 1970
4,040
Treaty of Waitangi / 1062 / 2909
3,971
Net gain = 103565 views

This either shows that twice as many page views are gained by not appearing on the main page compared with titles that do, or it shows the results are in fact derived from "bad statistics". My sensibilities favor the later. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 01:53, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

John Cline, that's a beautifully incisive approach; I'm genuinely ashamed I didn't think of it. I can't wait to see a certain editor struggle to denounce it. Should be fun to watch. EEng 02:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Why is February 6 listed in just the Otd views? The Otd view shows an increase in traffic to three articles, the OTD view shows an increase in traffic to .... ALL!!! .... articles. QED. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Could you do % increases as well please? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:47, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Ok, well at a hand-waving level, the average increase in traffic to the OTD items was by a factor of around 15 and to the Otd items an average increase of a factor of around 3. Excluding the big hitters (Jordan/Black Thursday), you get an average increase at OTD items of around a factor of 14, and an average increase at Otd of a factor of about 2. It's pretty clear that appearing on the main page has a huge impact on the traffic being directed to these articles, so thanks for clarifying that. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
And would you be able to tell me where Michael Jordan is listed at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/February 6 please? I can't seem to find it at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Finally, the list of eligible items I'm looking at is not the same as you have listed above, i.e. I see Lockheed bribery scandals and Otto of Greece in the eligible (but not posted) section and I don't see e.g. Arthur Ashe or Treaty of Waitangi. Are you working from a different list? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Here you go, while we're all in the mood for bar charts...

TRM's version of Otd page views
Article / Daily avg / Increase 6 Feb 2017
Munich air disaster / 3948 / 42511
46,459
Otto of Greece / 323 / 440
763
Treaty of Alliance (1778) / 236 / 245
481
Treaty of Amity and Commerce (United States–France) / 42 / 123
165
Lockheed bribery scandals / 156 / 165
331
Net gain = 43484 views (97.8% of which went to the Munich air disaster).

John Cline, would you agree that the above is the actual eligible-but-not-posted list for 6 Feb this year? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes of course something appearing on the main page increases the number of views it gets; I have certainly not denied that, nor, I believe, has John Cline or Johnbod. The point is that significance/topicality matter even for things on the main page. I am far more likely to click on a topic such as "Munich Air Disaster" than on "Geological history of the Precordillera", regardless of the hooks they use. As long as DYK is showcasing new/expanded content, it is going to deal with articles less significant/topical than those at OTD; and a direct comparison continue to tell us what it always has, which is nothing. Vanamonde (talk) 08:56, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'd like John Cline and EEng to confirm that the statistics I've put there are correct, i.e. that items featured on the main page get an average increase in readership of a factor of around 15 while those not get an increase of an average factor of around 3. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Adding a new route of exposure doesn't multiply views, it adds to them. And that you think it makes sense to "average" (by which you apparently mean "take an unweighted arithmetic mean of") multiplicative factors shows you have no idea what you're doing. Vanamonde93, John Cline, many of us have tried the patient-explanation route before -- doesn't work. EEng 13:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Either way you spin it, I debunked your assumption, I debunked this "beautifully incisive" approach (which was inherently flawed) and you're still here? I even did a barchart with the deltas as well. Still can't get enough... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:33, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
<rolls eyes> EEng 14:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Isn't this where I obsessively mention the thousand-yard stare again?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Enough said! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
... because of my crippling last wordism personality disorder again? *sob* Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC) [1]
Thank you TRM for assuming good faith and treating me with professional kindness. I am unavailable for editing right now, until this evening; literally stealing a moment from my obligations to advise you of my constraints and tell you that I look forward to answering your questions and furthermore, gleaning all that I can from every exchange that comes of this thread.
In parting for now, let me say: I am entirely green in all matters related to this discussion. My learning curve regarding these matters began yesterday when, as I had said, I stumbled on this discussion by chance. My comment was framed with generic language that I hoped would carry my meaning, not with jargon or the foreknowledge its use would imply. Anything said that resembled the actual inner workings of staging an OTD queue was entirely coincidental. I hope this will clear up a bit of the confusion for now, until I can better explain things later. Best regards until then.--John Cline (talk) 19:54, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
No problem, it's just that I couldn't quite determine how you'd got your statistics (i.e. some of those pages simply weren't there) and why you'd picked some and not others (e.g. the date page you added to the Otd analysis but not the OTD analysis, which massively skewed the conclusion that others were so quick to jump on and dare me to analyse it further). Let's, you and I, continue the discussion, without the DYK talkpage comedy act dragging it down to personal affronts and sarcastic/hilarious links. I appreciate your response. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow, Covering of the Senne, hardly a hot topic in anyone's front room, hit 30k views on 13 February, well done OTD! That compares to DYK's Nemegtomaia (in the popular "afternoon" slot that day!) which got 5,715 views. Both had images! Just goes to show that a boring OTD with a confusingly detailed sepia image will smash any DYK with a sexy "nesting dino" image out of the park, pro rata of course! OTD, A-, DYK, C+ (must try harder). The Rambling Man (talk) 21:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Felix Frankfurter, yes, just those two sacred words, scored an impressive 5152 hits yesterday at the bottom of the OTD section. It was the 52nd anniversary of his death, so I can't imagine it was widely publicised, yet the two words alone smashed most of the DYKs into the long grass. With no debate at all. Live and learn... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Queue 6 - commas

"that Charlottesville, Virginia's oldest" comma after Virginia (necessitating a reword I suspect), and " nonexistent massacre in Bowling Green, Kentucky went", comma after Kentucky. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Ok, ERRORS it is! The Rambling Man (talk) 05:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
These are still both in Queue 6; plenty of time for a passing admin to take care of them both. Pinging Maile66 and Cas Liber to start with to see if either is around and able to make the necessary fix. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:35, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done by David Levy and myself. Vanamonde (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Prep 2 - Hanover Lodge

There's a reference claiming it to be "the UK’s most expensive home". Does this really mean it was the highest sale price for a private residence purchased in the UK? For instance, Buckingham Palace is a home in the UK, and its value far exceeds that of Hanover Lodge, but because it hasn't been sold on the open market, it doesn't have that definitive figure. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

It would have been helpful for you to point out that you had already tagged the article for not having a lead—although I'm not sure what it means in a single-section article that would seem to be all lead (or all body)—meaning that it couldn't be promoted at this stage anyway. Under the circumstances, I've just pulled it from prep, since the article would need to be completely reorganized in addition to dealing with this hook question. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
It would have been helpful for the reviewer or the promoter to note these issues. It shouldn't be discovered when sitting in prep. But no need to thank me for my diligence. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Your diligence in inspecting articles and improving hooks is of great benefit to DYK. Thank you for these. Your comment on this hook is also helpful. Thank you. However, your addition of tags to articles in prep, here and on other occasions, is disruptive. There is no requirement in the DYK rules that articles should adhere to the MoS guidelines. Hanover Lodge has no lead because it has no sections. If you feel strongly that it should be divided into sections and have a lead, then why not "Be bold" and do this yourself. As it is, articles you tag may end up on the main page with maintenance tags still in place, which is very undesirable, and even if other people notice the tag in time, you are creating work for others to either action your tag or move the hook back to the nominations page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
As I've already told you, these articles are in Wikipedia, not in DYK, so they need to be checked for quality. If they aren't of suitable quality then they can and should be tagged so they can be improved. As I have to spend so much of my time fixing up all the issues missed by reviewers and promoters, I'm not left with much time to do anything else. Such issues should actually disallow hooks from being promoted in the first place, but our reviewers and promoters don't have to do that, so I do it instead. If articles which are sub-par end up tagged on the main page, so what? They shouldn't be sub-par when they get there. I'm not creating work, I am pointing out deficiencies which should have been corrected before the articles make it to the main page. Try being bold yourself and spending some of that promoting time actively improving the quality of some of these sub-par articles. Stop putting the burden on me to fix up all the issues you all miss in each and every set. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I think BlueMoonset has done an excellent job in indicating the issues in the comments at the nomination page. TRM is absolutely right about the "most expensive home" being problematic, but I don't agree that the article needs a lead section. A short article with no sections but ten (actual) paragraphs needs a lead section, but an article that is two to three paragraphs does not need sections, and may even be poorer and repetitive if they are created. BlueMoonset, on the other hand, notes the chronological confusion, the repetitive "From X ..." formulations, and the single-sentence paragraphs, and these are issues that need to be addressed. The reviewer noted that the article is list-like, but still gave a tick. I would prefer to see the reviewer asking for this to be addressed, and failing that, the promoter would surely have noticed the structural issues when checking the hook fact, and could have reasonably instead asked for some revisions. I would like to hear from the reviewer (Hybernator) and promoter (Cwmhiraeth). EdChem (talk) 13:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

No, it needs a lead. It's not a stub is it? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:10, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Why, TRM? Even the MOS guidance at WP:LEAD recommends a lead being needed once an article reaches 400 to 500 words, and it was about 350 when you tagged it. Yes, I know this is in a section on stubs, but I don't see why an article of 350 words can't be start class yet also not have sufficient content to need sectioning and thus a lead as summary / overview. The problem with the article was not the lack of lead, it was the five single-sentence paragraphs "From X (to Y), it was ...". I agree that the article was not ready for the main page, but I disagree on the reason. EdChem (talk) 13:30, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
It wasn't the only reason. It was a woeful article with a dubious claim for a hook. And as you can see, Gatoclass managed to conjure something up in less than a minute, good stuff! If an article has two or three salient points to get across, there's your lead. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I have added a lead and consolidated some paragraphs. It took me all of a minute. Gatoclass (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Exactly. Not a problem was it? Well done! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

My thoughts, on reading it, is it is not reliably sourced. It’s sourced to RT, the propaganda arm of the Russian government. The RT report itself says it got the info from the Daily Mail, and we all know how reliable that is, especially when it comes to gossipy coverage of the rich and famous.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 13:40, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I would expect this purchase to be a matter of public record in any case, probably available if worth the dig here. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
A quick search and here’s another home with a better claim for "most expensive", sold for £20m more, three years earlier, reported in a proper newspaper: Park Place: Britain's most expensive home sold for record £140m.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 13:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Then both this article and the Andrey Goncharenko article which was run a while back are incorrect and need to be fixed too, as well as the hook being rejected. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth while you would tell me it's not part of your "job" as a promoter to spot these things, this one has turned out to be a humdinger. Incorrect claim, duff source, poor quality article. We need to start weeding this stuff out at source, reject it. You've seen enough of this crap to stop it passing through, so please work to prevent such articles getting a free pass to the main page. If you don't think you can or should be doing it, then stop building preps. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, what humdinger are you talking about? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I never use dab links, unlike you. I meant humdinger, i.e. "a remarkable or outstanding person or thing of its kind." Well done! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I looked up "humdinger" to see exactly what it meant, but only found an unhelpful disambiguation page. You make so many untrue and disparaging remarks about me. See here, here, here, here, here and here, here, for my disambiguations over the last three days. Please stop denigrating my efforts. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, you used a dab link just above. What are you on about? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Prep 2 - Recycled Orchestra of Cateura

... that children playing instruments made from scrap have recorded and played with Basement Jaxx and Megadeth?

Awkward wording (presumably if you "record with" someone, you naturally "play with" them?) but the article says they recorded with Basement Jaxx, and played with Megadeth, so it ought to be "recorded with Basement Jaxx" and "played with Megadeth".... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Looks like this has been fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Landesfunkhaus Niedersachsen - missing credit

Funkhaus Hannover is on the Main page, but no credit on the article talk, nom here. I checked one other article of the set, it was credited. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

All fine now, thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Queue 1

It might be a good idea to crop the lead image so you can see the palace. Also, "has mixture" should be changed to "has a mixture". Yoninah (talk) 11:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the grammar, I didn't trim the image because it looks okay to me, but have no objection if somebody else wants to do it. Gatoclass (talk) 12:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I think the image is not only a bit small, but also makes the hook less hooky. The hook is (I think) fishing for an "oh, I wonder what that looks like?" response, which is answered by the image. I am biased in that the set includes two of my hooks, one of which makes more sense to a non-chemist (I think) with the image (the hexamethylbenzene one, nomination), so I was disappointed that the image was not selected, partly as it is also a much more substantial article. Of course, I know and accept that it is up to the Prep Builder and not all proposed images will be chosen, but I am interested to see that my impression of the image was not unique to me. EdChem (talk) 13:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I did think about cropping the image but when I took a closer look at the building, decided it wasn't going to be a very interesting image by itself anyway and that the image together with the background has a bit more appeal. I'm sorry your image didn't get selected for the lead, I would have probably selected it as we don't get many images of chemical structures but not everyone will necessarily agree. I do think more account should be taken of article quality when selecting leads, but again, many promoters just seem to focus on the image alone. Gatoclass (talk) 13:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I moved the hexamethylbenzene article to the lead spot in another set as a check of the archives confirms that we have had only two chemistry leads in the last four months if not longer. Gatoclass (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Gatoclass – much appreciated. EdChem (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Loch Ewe Distillery

Prep 1. Couple of points. The source for the hook is primary, which I wouldn't have thought was adequate for the claim? If it is adequate, I wonder about the grammar - shouldn't it be licensed rather than licenced, and in Scotland, not of Scotland? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:13, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the dodgy grammar. The claim is dubious, especially using a primary source. A quick Google found Edradour claiming to be Scotland's "smallest traditional distillery", while our own article on Edradour distillery states that "Strathearn Distillery" is the smallest (they themselves say "probably"), so this needs to be booted back to noms. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I've removed it from the prep. It has too many issues to fix in quick time here. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I haven't had much input at DYK so don't know the normal processes; I'm assuming it's standard practice to raise potential issues here? I didn't change the individual template myself because it instructs editors not to, though I see now that the template for the whole prep is still editable. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Smith, Gavin D; Roskrow, Dominic (2012). The Whisky Book. London: Dorling Kindersley. p. 115. ISBN 978 0 2411 8035 8.  says, "...the smallest legal distillery in Scotland and quite possibly in the world"--Ykraps (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
So which distilleries, opened since 2012, do you think are smaller?--Ykraps (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
  • FWIW, when I was reviewing the article I came across this link which mentions that it was opened through a loophole concerning still size that was closed immediately after (I was concerned that the distillery might not be notable enough for an article which is why I did some external digging). Doing some more digging, that appears to mesh with what the article states as well as above book and this one. Also, both books mention Edradour (they simply state it is "small" however neither mention Strathearn which would make sense as it appears to have opened in 2013). Doing some deductive reasoning, here says that loch ewe can make up to 600 litres of spirits per year, here says Edradour can make up to 90,000 litres, and here says that loch ewe makes three casks a year and Strathearn can make 30,000 litres. However, I am not sure if "maltmadness" is a RS and the number of logical hoops there leaves too much to chance in my estimation. In contrast, here says that Strathearn is the "tiniest" distillery (800/400L still capacity) and here says that Loch Ewe has the smallest legal stills (120L capacity). From this I think we may be able to source that Loch Ewe has the smallest stills while the overall size is not clear from any single source (though it may be inferable). Mifter Public (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Good sources, but most of them are at least four years old. Perhaps we need to date the hook. We certainly need more than the distillery itself saying it's the smallest, that's just not going to cut it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree, perhaps along the lines of "when it opened in 20XX" as that appears to be verifiable with the older sources (even if it still is the smallest distillery there is still no harm in dating it to ensure that we aren't conveying incorrect info). I have to run but should be able to do some more digging later. Mifter Public (talk) 21:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Queue 2 - John Hore

Minor point, but the hook says he "... set a new standard ..." Well according to the article, Hore is described as "[setting] a new standard for inland waterways, and is an important forerunner of the canals of the Industrial Revolution".[2] . The key thing here is he was described as doing so. Did he actually set a new technical standard? Nope. In actuality, he modified things to match existing standards. I guess the summary is that in an article which talks about standards, this individual didn't set them, he ensured others complied with them, which in itself might be setting standards, but the hook is still ambiguous. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I tweaked hook to read "canal engineer John Hore was described as setting a new standard for inland waterways with the Kennet navigation, also characterized as an important forerunner of the canals of the Industrial Revolution?" Its not perfect but it is more faithful to what the source stated. Mifter (talk) 02:34, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Just needs to be in Brit Eng, i.e. characterised. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done - I wasn't able to make the switch before it made it to the main page unfortunately but of all the errors we can have, MOS ones are better than factual ones every day of the week. Mifter (talk) 22:14, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

question

Hi - I noticed that several nominations of both myself, and others, no longer appear in the nominations page. However, the nominations templates themselves don't appear to have been promoted so I don't think they've been move to prep/queue either? Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't do anything incorrectly. Specifically:

Thanks - DarjeelingTea (talk) 21:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

When you want to know where a file is look at What links here, on the left. They may be among the (new) approved nominations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Got it - thanks! Sorry, I didn't realize these were moved to a different page once approved. DarjeelingTea (talk) 22:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
No worries, we had an issue with the nominations page having too many transcluded templates and therefore not everything loading correctly so we now have a bot move approved noms to a separate page to reduce the total number of transcluded pages. Mifter (talk) 22:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposal: Remove the noinclude tags that appear when a nomination is closed

Since the bot removes closed hooks, these tags now serve little purpose in preventing transclusion to Template talk:Did you know and its subpages, and they prevent completed DYK nominations from appearing on article talk pages where it makes sense to keep them after promotion. Pppery 02:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment: To quickly tack on to this discussion: having WugBot not remove closed nominations is also an option. It's something MusikAnimal and I have been discussing in the Bot Request For Approval, so opinions on whether the bot should continue with this would also be very helpful. Wugapodes [thɔk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɻɪbz] 02:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't see any need to keep promoted DYK reviews on the talk pages. Like with GA reviews and any other, there's a link to the review in the DYK block in the top of the page (or, if combined in an Article history template, available there), so I don't see the benefit here. Also, as Wugapodes notes, it's premature to be discussing this anyway, since we aren't sure the bot will continue its deleting ways. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Prep 1 - Sheeran

... that Ed Sheeran's 2010 EP Loose Change entered the Australian charts six and a half years after its original release?

Not sure this precise claim is inline cited in the article, nor am I sure it's fair to imply that it could have entered the Australian charts any sooner, after all it wasn't released outside the UK until 2015. Pings: Cwmhiraeth, Mifter, HeyJude70. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

The article in question is Loose Change (EP). The hook is a factually correct statement; I don't think it implies anything. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It's not inline cited per the DYK rules, regardless of the bogus hook. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:10, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I have added an extra citation, but it was already cited inline. There is nothing bogus about the hook, it is factually correct. If you look at the history of Prep1 you will see that I had already amended the hook before you got to it. You have certainly introduced an error now, because the article does not state that the original release was only in the UK. Perhaps we should go back to the approved hook "... that Ed Sheeran's 2010 EP Loose Change entered the Australian charts after seven years due to his new releases?", but I don't like that because of the "due to" bit nor the inaccurate "seven years". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't mean to base my claim purely on techinicallities, but in the DYK it states '...after its original release'. The EP was originally released in 2010, and it doesn't say '...six and a half years after its Australian release'. The line leaves it open to interpretation I guess; if interred literally it is correct, but if it is assumed that it implies that it was released in Australia in 2010 it is wrong. ThomDevexx ॐ (talk) 11:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
EDIT: I see that the hook has been corrected to include 'UK-only', thank you. ThomDevexx ॐ (talk) 11:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Common sense and accuracy prevailed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth did you read the article? In the "Release history" section, it states quite clearly that it was released in the UK. So did your accusation of "the article does not state that the original release was only in the UK." mean something different? I'm not clear. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Indeed I did miss the "Release history" section, tucked away as it was at the bottom of the page. The hook facts were still correct however. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:41, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
"Tucked away"! Perhaps reading the whole article, categories included, would benefit the sets. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:05, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Prep 2 - Dhyan Chand Award

I realise that quality is not a concern of the project, but should we really be promoting articles with basic English failures such as:

  • "The recipient(s) is/are selected by a committee constituted by the Ministry and is honoured for their contribution as a sportsperson and towards promotion of sports after their retirement from the active sporting career."
  • "Instituted in 2002, the award is given only to the disciplines included in the events like Olympic Games, Paralympic Games, Asian Games, Commonwealth Games, World Championship and World Cup along with Cricket, Indigenous Games, and Parasports"
  • "The first recipients of the award were Shahuraj Birajdar (Boxing), Ashok Diwan (Hockey), and Aparna Ghosh (Basketball), who were honoured for the year 2002.[6] Usually conferred upon only three sportspersons in a year, a few exceptions have been made (2003, 2012, and 2013) when multiple recipients were awarded in a year."

And that's just the lead. Please, I understand that many DYK regulars including those who promote these articles to the main page, think we should allow these kinds of things, but honestly, is this an encyclopedia or a kid's school project? Pinging Vivvt, Cwmhiraeth, HalfGig. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I gave the article a copyedit. Gatoclass (talk) 09:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Good. Shame it was considered suitable in the first place. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth I know that readable English isn't a precisely specified criterion of the DYK regulations, but please, next time you spend at least 8 to 10 minutes checking each article you promote, read them and if they're not written in English, send them back to the noms area for a copyedit. This isn't a school project, it's Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Could you please explain what you mean by the statement: "This is a school project, it's Wikipedia". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:59, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Not prepared to admit your error, you subtly obliterate the evidence. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:21, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
At least my errors don't feature regularly on the main page!! Ps, so you actually know the meaning of "obliterate"?! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:28, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
How about "Obliterate: make invisible or indistinct; conceal or cover". Just what you did. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:14, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
It's in the history. You do know how Wikipedia works, right? Now then, please focus your efforts on reducing the number of mistakes you make which damage Wikipedia, rather than a typo I made. Talk about misdirection of effort. Plus I see you chose the second meaning, while the common, and first meaning is "destroy utterly" which is most people's reading of the word. So once again you're mistaken. Plus ca change. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Ahhh, hahahahahhahahahahaha! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:33, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Special occasion hooks being overlooked (including one right now)

There's a special occasion hook for February 26 at Template:Did you know nominations/2017 EFL Cup Final; the game begins at 16:30 UTC, which would require it to be in Prep 4. That had been full, but as it had two Utah-based hooks, I pushed one of them out to Prep 5, which has the unexpected benefit of leaving an empty slot for this special occasion hook. Since I was involved in the reviewing process, someone else should looking into promoting it. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done by Cwmhiraeth. ~ Rob13Talk 06:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

adding photo to nomination

I nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Souper Salad about a week ago. I have recently added a photo to the article which would also greatly improve the hook. It seems there is a little magic done at the time of the initial nomination regarding images. I don't know how to add a image to the nomination at this point to be used in a slightly altered ALT1 hook (just adding "pictured"). MB 04:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Gatoclass (talk) 10:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

[Closed] Prep 4 - Animals in professional wrestling

Resolved. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

No action, just a note that this article contained not just one abuse of non-free images but two, yet was still reviewed, passed and promoted. It also features bare URLs and an unreferenced section. Yunshui, HalfGig, *Treker. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

And how would a free image of Stu Hart (dead) vs Chi-Chi the Tiger (also dead) be available? There is a good argument that a historic picture of a pro-wrestler wrestling an animal is encyclopedic in 'Animals in professional wrestling'. There are unlikely to be commercial uses as the animal rights activists would crucify them. As it stands there is now one image which is Teddy Hart holding a pussy. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:56, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

(Redacted)

I'm not debating that. I'm simply stating that the article was promoted with two non-free images incorrectly licensed for use in that article. This stuff really needs to be picked up either in review or before promotion. It's a legal matter. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I could not find any other image of an actual professional wrestler wrestling a tiger so I used the image which was already on Stu Hart's article. The picture of Terrible Ted is also used in Ted's own article.★Trekker (talk) 12:16, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, the licensing should be fixed. I've been lazy and not done it yet.★Trekker (talk) 12:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Unsourced BLP

Does "unsourced BLP" need to have zero source in order to qualify for articles that only need twofold expansion? I'm talking about the Leonard Patrick Harvey article which I found having one weak source and has a good scope to be expanded twofold. HaEr48 (talk) 08:33, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

HaEr48, zero sourcing for a 2x BLP is the rule. Leonard Patrick Harvey will need to be a standard 5x expansion if you want to submit it to DYK, from 1166 to 5830 prose characters. BlueMoonset (talk) 09:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Prep 6 - Kensington Railway Station

Again, no action required, but this was reviewed, passed and promoted whilst completely uncategorised. I've now addressed that but please, check that sort of thing before it gets accepted onto the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth, did you not even notice that this wasn't categorised? How can I see that in seconds yet it takes you an hour to put together a set of seven or eight hooks, usually with one or two major errors? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
I see you are being bold and honing your belittling skills. Three criticisms of me in four minutes is pretty good going (here, here and this thread). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
It can hardly be described as belittling when it's clear statements of fact that your sets are usually error-prone. That's why I have to spend an hour a day clearing up for the benefit of the project. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Nominating more than one article in the same hook

How is this done? The template instructions don't give any specific guidelines. I simply used the two article titles, separated by a comma, here: Template:Did you know nominations/Akatombo, Miki Rofū. If this is not the correct way, please fix it for me. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

That's OK, usually people would use either the main article title like Template:Did you know nominations/Tomahawk chop or something that encompasses all articles in it like Template:Did you know nominations/Royal Tunbridge Wells. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list was archived about an hour ago, so here's an updated list of the 32 oldest nominations that need reviewing, which includes all the non-current nominations (those through February 20). I'm happy to report than only 12 hooks are left over from the previous set. Right now there are 201 nominations, of which 97 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the four oldest, all left over from last time and still urgently needing a reviewer's attention.

Over two months old:

Over one month old:

Other old nominations:

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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