Wikipedia talk:Copyrights

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Historic copyvios

By way of experiment, I put the article Sea urchin into Earwig's tool and it came up with a copyvio, a paragraph inserted in the article on 28 October 2008‎. Having found this violation, I thought I had better remove it and have now requested a rev-del, but that covers a vast number of revisions. If one searched diligently for copyvios, one might end up with large numbers of important articles being affected and needing rev-dels. Is that desirable? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:25, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Is it desirable? Yes and no. Yes, we must remove copyright violations when we find them. Period. That is 100% required. The problem with these old ones is that it is sometimes hard to determine who copied who. It does appear to have been copied from that source (not the other way around) per the 2008 archive of that article. Excellent job finding it. As for revdel. isn't just that revision. It is every revision since then that would have to be removed. We are talking thousands of revisions that need to be removed. That may not actually happen as it would utter destroy the history of the article. --Majora (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
In this case, there is an obvious solution... REWRITE the offending paragraph. Present the information using different words... No more copyvio. I would actually say that rewriting should be the preferred solution for any paragraph sized (or smaller) Copyvio... Fix the problem with a scalpel rather than a chainsaw. Blueboar (talk) 22:24, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Rewrite or remove. The point being that the violating material must be dealt with. The revdel'ing of said material is a different matter in this case as it would be thousands of revisions. --Majora (talk) 23:10, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I am glad that you seem to agree with me that removing the copyvio, whether by cutting or rewriting, from the present and future versions of the article is the most important thing, and that rev-delling the hundreds of offending revisions is an undesirable and impractical solution. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:30, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
So... having identified a problematic paragraph (and agreeing that the best solution is a simple rewrite)... have you been proactive and fixed the problem yourself (or at least tagged it so someone else can fix it)? Blueboar (talk) 13:36, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Well, I removed the violation, which was the most important thing, and I have now removed the rev-del request. I thought the information pretty peripheral and not really needing replacement, but I did decide that improving the whole of the article would be my next main project. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:09, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Is a photograph of a public domain artwork also public domain?

File:Assault-on-Asilah.JPG asserts public domain because the tapestry is from 1471 (although, elsewhere on the page, it says 1852). But, this looks like a photograph of the original tapestry. Doesn't the photograph have its own copyright? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:55, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Long standing consensus along with comment by WMF-Legal state that you cannot recreate a copyright by taking a photo of artwork already in the public domain. This is fully outlined at c:COM:ART. It should be {{PD-Art}} but the fact stands that the photographer cannot recopyright material in this manner provided it is a faithful reproduction of two-dimensional, PD, artwork. --Majora (talk) 23:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I was previously unaware of that. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

National anthems

A lot of articles about newer national anthems (e.g. National anthem of Mauritania, whose author is alive and well) have large quantities of copyrighted lyrics (and audio files), including multiple translations and unused verses. Is there some sort of exception for these or are they liberally abusing WP:NFCC? Jc86035 (talk) 08:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

They are liberally abusing NFCC to the point of a blatant copyright violation, Jc86035. There are literally dozens of examples of copyrighted anthems that have been deleted off of Commons. Same idea in this case. In this case the lyrics should be removed and the history revision deleted per WP:RD1 --Majora (talk) 02:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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