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Bankyondbeatz

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Subject does not meet WP:NMUSIC criteria. Sourcing is limited, a standard g-search brings up the do-not-cites of Soundcloud, Twitter, Spotify, etc. SamHolt6 (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Miles Software

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Not a particularly notable company, fails WP:CORP. Most sources cited are from the company itself, and those that are not only mention the company in passing and as such fail WP:CORPDEPTH. Also note this page has been speedy deleted under A7 several times in the deletion log. SamHolt6 (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Dare to Dream

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Unsourced. Also, a search didn't find me any obviously independent coverage (fails WP:GNG). Hakken (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Matt O'Riley

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Contested PROD. Failed WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL, has not played first-team football for Fulham JMHamo (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Epicflow

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Non-notable software, a Google search did not reveal any independent in-depth coverage. None of the 16 used sources (2 are duplicates) qualifies as a fully independent reliable source with in-depth coverage (I'll add a detailed source review below). A possible "conflict of interest" hasn't been clarified and disclosed yet. GermanJoe (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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A more detailed review of the used sources (reference numbering as of now, may change):

  • Refs #1, 2, 3, 6, 14, 18 are self-published sources.
  • Ref #4: broken link, but not an independent reliable source anyway (per main text)
  • Ref #5: self-published blog site by a "PMP Professional" with unclear expertise, offers sponsored advertising and reviews
  • Ref #7: passing mention, no in-depth independent coverage
  • Ref #8: PR fluff parroting the company's interview statements, not an independent reliable source
  • Ref #9: Advertorial largely based on the company's own research - not independent.
  • Ref #10: Listing on a marketing platform (company input is accepted, the listing is based on company information).
  • Refs #11 and 12: Not independent coverage (links to related publications)
  • Ref #13: article by one of the involved researchers
  • Ref #15: dead link, unclear source (no author or publication details), seems to be about a wider topic and not specifically about this particular software.
  • Refs #16 and 17: Duplicates of previous sources (of ref #5 and #10).

In short: a lot of of PR activities and professional marketing, but nothing to establish notability. GermanJoe (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

SmartDebit

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Article fails WP:CORPDEPTH, lacks significant coverage in independant, reliable sources. Cobbled together from press releases, their own website and a peripheral mention in The Telegraph. Thinly veiled attempt at SEO, misuse of hq_location in Infobox company template. Mduvekot (talk) 11:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Davey Nate

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Non-notable musician. Davey Nate has received co-lyricist, lyricist, co-producer or producer credits on lots of songs, but no significant coverage can be found. All of the citations in the article are just credits on various songs. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Annabel Venning

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Author who does not appear to be notable. One book only. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Reviewed at length in Independent[1] and Telegraph[2], and Google indicates it's cited a few times in academic texts, but I'd like to see another source before saying keep. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, it looks like the book was a one-off (2005) based on her personal experiences. I suspect the article was created by interested persons as her husband's article Guy Walters has had quite a lot of COI editing. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Rade Lončar

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Fails WP:NOTE for WP:NHOOPS NZ Footballs Conscience(talk) 00:53, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Athu Ithu Ethu

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Non-notable television program. Article (under a different spelling) was deleted here:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adhu_Idhu_Edhu&action=edit&redlink=1 Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Sirippuda

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Non-notable television program. Fails GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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First Fate

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Does not meet the web notability guidelines. The sources given are all press releases, promotional pieces, or affiliated. 331dot (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete as per nom; the article is full of promotional copy and there are no good sources. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Coconut hound

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Coconut hound seems to be an affectionate name rather than an encyclopedic name for this dog. The article does not have any reliable sources. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 01:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete – Source searches are only providing passing mentions, such as [3]; fails WP:N. North America1000 03:06, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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Sauvali

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No sources. May be redirect to Characters in Mahabharata Sulaimandaud (talk) 09:06, 4 July 2017 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because for same reason:

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Steve Hartley (racing driver)

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Does not meet WP:NMOTORSPORT or WP:GNG. Successful in a competition which doesn't meet criteria. Boleyn (talk) 09:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Kalakka Povathu Yaaru? (season 6)

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Non-notable television program. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:55, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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The Leader (novel)

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Article is a plot summary without stated sources apart from the book itself and therefore is original research. Cannot find any reviews. Happy to withdraw this nomination if commentary or reviews supporting the text are found. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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The Edgy Veg Cookbook

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No non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources, fails WP:BKCRIT. Rentier (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete per nom. - GretLomborg (talk) 06:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. I can't find anything to justify this passing NBOOK. If the author's article survives it can redirect there, but only if it does. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 21:31, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Golden Artists Entertainment

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NN production company, sourced solely from its own website and IMDB. No evidence it meets the GNG, fails WP:CORP. Ravenswing 10:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete None of the sources in the article are reliable or independent. Searches turn up lots of self-published stuff and mentions of things they've produced and actors who've appeared in their productions but there's no in-depth discussion of the company itself. Neiltonks (talk) 12:31, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete: Fails WP:GNG as no non-passing mentions that are independent are made; also fails WP:COMPANY etc. --Hazarasp (talk) 14:26, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Kanvic Consulting

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Non-notable consulting firm with little to no actual coverage. All the sources lack depth or are basic listings or one line quotes from the founder, fails WP:GNG. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 10:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your review. Kanvic Consulting is one of the most widely searched consulting firms in Gurgaon and Delhi. And hence people do need to know about its functions and origin. Some of the cites may not provide detailed information about the company, but are still relevant sources and from relevant organizations. If however, some need to be removed, that can be worked on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.nilasis (talkcontribs) 10:51, 12 July 2017 (UTC) B.nilasis (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Comment: If "people do need to know about (a company's) functions and origin", that is a legitimate function of its company website; this is an encyclopaedia not an additional hosting option. Also, B.nilasis, you were previously reminded about WP:DISCLOSE, but I see no response? AllyD (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete: A WP:SPA article on a company. The text describes their wares, referenced to brief mentions, media and articles by staff which verify only at a stretch. There is no claim to being more than a company going about its business and my searches are finding nothing better. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:GNG. AllyD (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete References fail WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND, topic fails GNG. Also I note from B.nilasis contributions that he has an alternate account and admitted to having created a previous article "Kanvic" which was deleted earlier this month.. This topic should be SALTED to prevent future abuse. -- HighKing++ 10:26, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Maria von Kohler

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I can see no indication that this artist meets WP:ARTIST Derek Andrews (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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They Only Love You When You Die

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Non-notable. No charting or reviews Jennica / talk 19:04, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to VAST (band article). Recording isn't notable. Much of the article isn't suitable for merging, being variously already in the band article, trivia or time-sensitive information and possibly WP:OR. Although if someone wants to do a selective merge that's ok. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Olivier Novasque

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Typical promotional work/spam.WP is not a business directory!PR sources in abundance as usual! Winged Blades Godric 16:02, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete -- spam; content includes: "...the leading global provider of Predictive Sales-to-Cash solutions!" Etc. The subject's company, Sidetrade, is a deletion candidate itself. I just PROD'ed it. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment: Articles on this subject have twice been deleted from the French Wikipedia as not meeting the criteria for inclusion [4]. AllyD (talk) 06:50, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Call Of Gabriel

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Fails WP:NFILM. Coverage in reliable sources not found. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Christopher Indermaur

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fails WP:BIO. Coverage merely confirms he is a mining executive but nothing indepth in third party sources LibStar (talk) 14:15, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Magnus Kjøller

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Vanity page for a Danish entrepreneur. Pieced together from trivial mentions, primary sources such as his own twitter feed and his own company posting videos of his charitable activities. There is no substantial coverage in independent, reliable sources. Mduvekot (talk) 11:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete per nom as a blatantly promotional / vanity bio written by an SPA with no trace of notability. --Lockley (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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Michael Lyons (racing driver)

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Doesn't meet WP:MOTORSPORT or WP:GNG. Won a competition which doesn't meet criteria at MOTORSPORT. Boleyn (talk) 09:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Fakhar Abbas

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fails to meet WP:GNG. some cited sources are self published while some are not RS and some doesn't mention the subject at all. Saqib (talk) 06:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Insufficient notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC).
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So You Think You Can Dance - Yalla Nerkos!

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No evidence that the subject meets WP:GNG. - MrX 12:26, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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List of Hindi horror shows

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Contested PROD. I have two concerns regarding this list. The first is that it seems like something which could be better-served as a category (admittedly that's not the most convincing reason for deletion in and of itself). The second is that the sourcing available at the moment - and that which I've found searching as far as I can - seems to be confined to "listicle"-style articles, rather than any serious analysis of what makes these particular TV shows notable as a group and not otherwise, which points to an issue with WP:LISTN as far as the list is concerned. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep: The 'category on Wikipedia' will not show other information like Year and Channel. Updated: Notes column are added in List of Hindi horror shows to make the list best and informative. Zafar24Talk 11:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:CLN as it's already a category, extra information is present, and it's a reasonable topic considering how Hindi media is commonly considered as a distinct group, it's a notable genre, and nobody has proposed merging. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Commonfare

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WP:FRINGE topic, references to the topic from essentially one author and I found very little published elsewhere. May just be an WP:ESSAY or even WP:OR, or perhaps only WP_TOOSOON. Lithopsian (talk) 14:28, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Fernando F. S. Rodrigues

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Non-notable individual does not meet any criteria. To be fair a lot of the original hyperbole which might have indicated notability if substantiated was removed. There is a serious coi in the authorship resulting in essentially a vanity page. PRehse (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Delete I agree with the nominator. The COI creator of this article put in a lot of peacock to make this person sound notable. I cleaned it up to the best of my ability in the time I had available. The articles which are cited do not indicate notability. --VVikingTalkEdits 13:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. In what possible way is this gentleman notable? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Lieres (disambiguation)

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Disambiguation not required per WP:2DABS. The 2 articles have hatnotes to each other and to Liers. PROD removed previously by user:Siuenti because "lieres is a plausible search term for liers" which has been fixed by hatnotes Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Kathleen and the Other Three

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Non-notable. Already redirected but creator reverted. There is no reviews or charting info for this EP. Also, the EP features songs that would later be featured on their debut album. Jennica / talk 08:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Owen Norton

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An earlier incarnation of this article was AfD'd just over 12 months ago with the general consensus being that it was too soon for this young DJ to pass notability standards. I submit that it may well still be too soon. While there are plenty of links, these are to the tracks themselves, rather than to the depth and breadth of coverage required by NMUSIC/GNG. He's still very much an up-and-comer, but what I can see suggests he's not quite there yet. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Matthew J. Parker

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Bypassing the PROD process, as I feel a fuller discussion is merited here. The subject of this article is a recently-deceased meteorologist, whose claim to notability is that he was a fellow of what appears to be the sort of "peak body" for his profession and served as an office-holder thereof. That said, there's not an awful lot beyond that statement, which suggests that GNG may not be met. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:51, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Southern man

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unreferenced 8 years Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:15, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Speedy keep I was inclined to speedily close the AfD as a procedural keep, but the process does not appear to allow this to happen as the nomination is clearly made in good faith. The reason I was tempted to close this is that the deletion rationale put forward ("unreferenced 8 years") does not meet any of the 14 reasons for deletion. There's no point editors discussing a rationale that does not allow us to delete the article. May I suggest, Kintetsubuffalo, that you thus withdraw the AfD? Alternatively, please expand on the rationale and put something forward that meets one of the 14 deletion reasons. Schwede66 18:29, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. No sources given in article so had a look myself. At best it seems to be a known slang phrase in New Zealand, but hits for it are sparse (the wiki entry is the top result) and vague. I cannot see how it could possibly pass WP:GNG, and falls under WP:NOTDIC. Incidentally, I don't see what the nominator's reasoning for nomination has to do with an article's notability...? El Pharao (talk) 19:32, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
  • The New Zealand Listener has just gone online via a website called Noted. For New Zealand cultural terms, you wouldn't get many better sources than that magazine. I don't know whether the search term "Southern man" site:noted.co.nz works outside of New Zealand. If it does, you'll find plenty of relevant references. Schwede66 19:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOTDICTIONARY/WP:NOTURBANDICT - GretLomborg (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep. AfD is NOT do discuss articles that need cleanup. It took less than five minutes to find several references. I'd like to suggest @Kintetsubuffalo:, @El Pharao:, and @GretLomborg: have another look. Grutness...wha? 03:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep References have been added, proving it meets WP:GNG. Procedural note: the 14 reasons in WP:DEL-REASON are not exhaustive, although nominators are encouraged to try and find references (WP:BEFORE). --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Wiktionary The phrase Southern Man strikes me as being more appropriately located within Wiktionary than Wikipedia even with all the references. I think GretLomborg has a point. NealeFamily (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Grutness' references.-gadfium 19:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete the term is specific to New Zealand and not sufficiently notable for a stand-alone article; I might support a redirect to a more general term or to Wiktionary. The "references" are things such as beer ads [5], Youtube videos [6], and book reviews [7]. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Stop making up Wikipedia policies. Being New Zealand-specific is not grounds for deletion, and a book review (or the book being reviewed) is an entirely reasonable source. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Shahida Parides

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability. Brand does not seem to have gotten detailed coverage as such. The references are just to photos of celebrities wearing it, but there is no detailed commentary on the brand, sometimes the brand isn't even mentioned. GRuban (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Christian Jessup

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO: lack of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. Rentier (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Beau Davidson

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This article was originally accepted at WP:AFC in 2010 apparently with some COI involvement. The acceptance may have been a dis-service to the subject of the article, as the subject does not appear to meet WP:MUSICBIO. The subject did have their 15 minutes of fame performing for Donald Trump, however this is not sufficient to establish notability despite some coverage of the performance and of Trump's reaction to it. The slew of largely self-published or IMDB sources in the article as originally accepted have not expanded to include significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. In addition, the article -- and its talk page -- have become a battleground between a number of unregistered accounts and WP:SPA accounts. Some of them appear to be detractors of the subject, and some of them are alleged to be the subject or to represent the subject. Some of the latter have also made allegations on the article talk page about named individuals that they claim are responsible for the negative editing. Although such contentious editing is not in itself a sufficient reason for deletion, in cases where notability is not established or is unclear, it contributes to the argument for deletion because Wikipedia should not be further risking unnecessary harm to the BLP (or to anyone else). The article has been protected twice for BLP violations. MPS1992 (talk) 20:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete per nom. This AfD was discussed in the article's talk page as well with mention that some of the sources returned an Error 404 when clicking the link. Without an available archive link, the material cannot be sourced. Additionally, the self-published material as the nominator suggests violates WP:SPS. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: problematic article even without the blatant self-promotion, because the best and most reliable sources on Mr Davidson cover his biggest career moment to date, which is playing at President Trump's Inauguration Ball, but these generally portray him in a negative light – [8], [9], [10]. Richard3120 (talk) 00:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep- He has been nominated for an Emmy twice. Enough coverage in online news sources. Karl Twist (talk) 12:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment there is no content in the article that supports the Emmy claims and the seems to be the source of his notability. It would be great to have some information regarding these nominations for WP:V.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete He claims to have been nominated for regional Emmys, which are not the same as national Emmys (also I haven't had any luck finding a source for this claim). If that's the only criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia, there will be a lot more names to add. Maybe if he ever manages to win a couple? Lovetoolistentocountry (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Lovetoolistentocountry (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Weak Keep he sort of passes WP:GNG despite his modest acclaim: He has been a co-host for a Miss Virginia competition; was a performer at the Inauguration of Donald Trump (for which he was discussed in a way that describes his notoriety). Performed at a Lincoln Day Dinner for Trump.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete does not pass the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment just to note that while Davidson performed at an inaugural ball, http://www.allamericanball.com/entertainment1/beau-davidson/ it was not one of the three official inaugural balls. http://time.com/4641539/trump-inauguration-inaugural-balls/ Apparently a lot of places in DC have unofficial inaugural balls like this. Lovetoolistentocountry (talk) 16:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete In the news for single event, but as pointed out above, there are multiple inaugural balls, not all necessarily attended by the president (and lets be honest: the news coverage for these particular series of balls indicates it was difficult to put together a line-up. Any performer who agreed to participate invariably was rewarded with press coverage beyond what other inaugural ball line-ups would receive.) Otherwise, the provided references make claims that are hard to be backed up owing to faulty links. Efforts to find them on my own were unsuccessful. I find nothing about this subject on the Emmy's website's list of past nominees; most likely this was a local market nomination, which is not the same for wikipedia notability purpose. And even then I can't find a significant independent, third party source. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:12, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete as per the notability objections I made on the talk page. GringisMan (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep- Subject has achieved substantial qualifications, in addition to some of those mentioned above. While subject did perform at both Trump's Mar-a-lago Club in 2016 and at the All-American Ball in 2017 http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-inauguration-music-20170118-htmlstory.html, he also was a surrogate for Mitt Romney in the 2012 campaign, appointed to his "Young Americans for Romney" Leadership Advisory Board, also singing at the Republican National Convention: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/28/gop-convention-fights-star-power/. In addition, subject is the recipient of the "2013 Ten Outstanding Young Americans Award," a prestigious award also given to Elvis Presley, John F. Kennedy, Leonard Bernstein, Teddy Roosevelt, and many others --http://www.usjayceefoundation.org/national_programs/current/cd/toya.htm, http://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-commercial-appeal/20130704/283300340135485, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ten_Outstanding_Young_Americans. Subject does have sourced Emmy nomination as well http://emmynashville.org/files/2015/11/30-nominations1.pdf 98.240.15.40 (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2017 (UTC)CountryIsLife
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Comment The Emmy Nashville source actually mentions a regional nomination rather than a national one, and thus fails WP:RS. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment Is there a policy on whether or not subjects of articles can weigh in on whether or not the articles should be deleted? Lovetoolistentocountry (talk) 21:55, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete Cannot see any way he meets the musician notability guidelines, just one simple moment of fame CaribbeanTruth (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete I agree. It's obvious this is a case of the focus of the article writing his own piece and trying to silence any other kind of feedback. 2601:18D:4700:1DE8:715B:1EDA:FD7D:5C28 (talk) 05:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete What's crazy is that the subject of this article has been personally running interference to prevent any "positive" coverage from being expunged, and from anything remotely negative -- even objectively sourced material -- from being included in the post. It seems clear this is a self-promotional article and does not abide by Wikipedia standards. 73.238.84.249 (talk) 05:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Note to closer: A journalist who has reported on this subject negatively has mentioned this AfD on Twitter, so recent IP !votes are likely related to that canvassing. Please be careful to weigh policy arguments, not numbers. ~ Rob13Talk 15:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Note to closer: Just want to note that the subject of the article is also posting about his Wikipedia page and fighting "trolls" on it. The most recent "Keep" vote above, flagged for being an IP address with "few or no other edits outside this topic" is almost certainly the subject of the article in question, and should also be considered when counting votes and considering his input. Thanks 2601:18D:4700:1DE8:715B:1EDA:FD7D:5C28 (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment These posts made by the subject were the direct cause of the journalist's tweet. See the thread I started on BU Rob13's talk page. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Regardless of who started it, canvassed !votes from either side should be discarded and strength of arguments should be considered. That's all I'm saying. ~ Rob13Talk 16:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oh, I completely agree. Just wanted to note that the journalist who tweeted was responding to an initial tweet by the subject of the article, so it's likely both sides have votes that may require scrutiny 2601:18D:4700:1DE8:15D7:EE19:BC75:F2B7 (talk) 17:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • even if you don't count the votes from editors with few contributions/IP addresses (and I include myself in the former) the vote is still in favor of deletion by a decent margin. When will a decision be made? Lovetoolistentocountry (talk) 21:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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The decision will be made, to answer the last question, when consensus has emerged but that requires people actually discussing whether the sources might be sufficient to establish notability under any guideline, not just WP:MUSICBIO.

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Bedridden

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dictionary article Rathfelder (talk) 07:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep – The topic passes WP:GNG, as evidenced by Google Scholar results alone. Searches and custom searches in Google Books provide plenty more sources. Furthermore, the article has some non-definitional content, with information about an Indian study involving bedridden individuals. See source examples below; many more are available. Not seeing how deleting this article would improve the encyclopedia, as it can be easily expanded. North America1000 09:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

References

  • Is prolonged immobilization a risk factor for symptomatic venous thromboembolism in elderly bedridden patients? Results of a historical-cohort study
  • A multicenter randomized double-blind study of enoxaparin compared with unfractionated heparin in the prevention of venous thromboembolic disease in elderly in-patients bedridden for an acute medical illness
  • Incidence of Deep Vein Thrombosis in Bedridden Non-surgical Patients
  • A reconfigurable holonomic omnidirectional mobile bed with unified seating (RHOMBUS) for bedridden patients
  • Lack of effect of a low-molecular-weight heparin (nadroparin) on mortality in bedridden medical in-patients: a prospective randomised double-blind study
  • Diagnostic Value of Chest Radiographs in Bedridden Patients Suspected of Having Pneumonia

Hays Ridge, Edmonton

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This article is about a new subdivision, without any significant development until late last year. The neighborhood doesn't have any significant history which would warrant a Wikipedia article. I couldn't find any sources to prove that it is currently populated. While the article has sources, they are all from the City of Edmonton, and I wouldn't call those sources as "secondary, reliable sources" under WP:GNG. Per WP:GEOLAND articles must also meet WP:GNG for a separate article.SophisticatedSwampert let's talk about that 22:06, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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True Influence

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Self-promotion; fails WP:NCORP.

Page history seems to show that the an editor wrote the True Influence article in their sandbox, then avoided the AFC process by choosing a little-used disambiguation page (Spindel), overwriting the contents of it with what they had in the sandbox, moving Spindel to True Influence, and redirecting Spindel to someone with the surname. This flies in the face of several proper procedures. Madg2011 (talk) 22:54, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Should we just restore the disambiguation page and delete the new redirect? Cthomas3 (talk) 03:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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Joe Morecraft

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Non-notable pastor lacking non-trivial, in-depth support. reddogsix (talk) 00:19, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Dagmar Krug

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I can't find any evidence that this pianist is notable enough for an article. The article was created by Jean-Jacques Bubois (talk · contribs), whose only edits both here and in the German Wikipedia have been related to this article (in other words, they are a single-purpose account on both wikis. Graham87 06:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Delete. Absolutely non-notable. A self-publishing piano teacher; all citations from her own Youtube postings.--Smerus (talk) 06:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Delete per Smerus. Double sharp (talk) 07:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Delete. The subject comprehensively fails the notability criteria at WP:ANYBIO and the alternative criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. All her recordings are self-published. There is no evidence of her having won any major awards. The only award I could find was from an utterly non-notable short film "festival" in Bremen where her music in a 10-minute film received an award. There were ten entries, including one from the local school. The festival was attended by 100 people, according to this article on the municipal website of Bremen, which has a one-sentence mention of her. It was the only remotely independent source I could find. In the interim, I am going to remove all the links to her YouTube videos which in turn contain links to Amazon to purchase the recordings. There's no reason for this blatant advertising to be hosted on Wikipedia, even for the duration of this AfD. The version containing the 9 YouTube links and the link to Spotify masquerading as references is here. Voceditenore (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Todd Graham (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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David Upton

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Joseph Hughes (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Aaron Clayworth

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Qwikcilver

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Article is a corporate Spam. Press coverage combined into one wiki article. Writing is corporate brochure and reads like a work of online PR. Light2021 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Jordan Gavin

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Luke Thilthorpe

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Ben Thilthorpe

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Stuart Denman

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Vladan Stransky

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Jarred Seymour

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Joshua Harding

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Casey Minson

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Michael Gough (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Vincent Hughes (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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James Keane (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Steven Deans

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Richard Moon

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Conor White

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Daniel George (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Ross Howell

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Matthew Lehoczky

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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James Byers (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Greg Sturrock

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Non-notable hockey player and fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Paymentwall

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Only purpose is to promote it. Corporate Spam to its soul. Adweek article is poor as the article itself. Press coverage are given as a references. Corporate brochure written into encyclopedia. should be G11 material. Light2021 (talk) 05:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Boys (TV series)

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The original version of this page appears to be vandalism verging a hoax. See [11] for how bad it was. I've trimmed out most of it (unsourced and probably bogus claims, unrelated links and articles, claims of twin incest, etc) and there's not much left. On Sept 6 and 7 2016 there was a flurry of Hollywood-type discussions of a planned new TV show. And nothing since. I couldn't verify any of the many claims made (synopsis, actors, writers, etc). I don't see how a simple mention of plans for a possible TV show merit an article. I can't even verify that this project is still happening, let alone confirm that it is notable enough to warrant an article before it is released. Fails WP:SUSTAINED. WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTALBALL might be of interest too. Meters (talk) 05:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment i'm not suggesting a redirect to any of the possible targets (Dick Wolf, Zayn Malik , etc) since I think the original content is actually a hoax. If we want a redirect this should be deleted first and then recreated. Meters (talk) 06:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Firmin D'souza

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Clearly of only very local significance, U14, local league Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete He coaches youth and senior association football teams, and the coverage in the referenced sources is routine and local. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Blades in the Dark

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This subject appears to lack notability and the article has zero references. I suggest, if there's a documented connection to the designer or the publisher, the page be merged with one or the other, or both. Ewilen (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Mark Daly (scientist)

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Does not meet WP:ACADEMIC, only source provided lacks independence from the subject, no substantive coverage in suitable sources to verify notability. KDS4444 (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep Daly led the team that developed Haploview. He was also heavily involved with Genehunter software development. His research in genetics is widely cited. Because his name is so common, a very careful search is required to separate the wheat from the chaff. This stub should be expanded rather than being deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Haploview— looks borderline notable; Genehunter has (as yet) no Wikipedia article at all. While I recognize the difficulty in identifying the specific "Mark Daly" who is the subject of this article, claiming that "sources must exist" is one of the arguments to avoid in a deletion discussion, yes? Is there wheat? Where is it? KDS4444 (talk) 09:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Slacker (producer)

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notability, Wikipedia is not a memorial Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Keep. A preliminary search suggests he meets the notability criteria for a musician, especially points 2 and 3 in the 'Other' category. Just briefly I found multiple, non-self-published, independent sources describing him as 'celebrated' and his work as 'seminal' and of 'critical acclaim'. This implies the possibility exists for further reliable sources to come to light.Landscape repton (talk) 09:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep: certainly passes criterion 2 of WP: MUSICBIO as he had two UK top 40 singles [12]. Richard3120 (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Eileen Simpson (artist)

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Even looking at the additional information in the earlier version containing copyvio, I do not se how this meets either the GNG or the specialized guidelines. DGG ( talk ) 22:17, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • It may be WP:TOOSOON The British Art Show is a significant exhibition that would satisfy criterion 4(b) of WP:ARTIST: (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, but it appears to have been the only exhibition of that calibre. Coverage in the Independent and Financial Times exists, but is not in-depth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mduvekot (talkcontribs) 00:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete According to WP:ARTIST she needs for her work to be "has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition". If her work The British Art Show is significant, then that would qualify her, however she is one of 35 contributing artists, so I wouldn' think that would be classed as significant. Deathlibrarian (talk) 13:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep and Move I did some digging and Simpson and her partner, Ben White, have been the subject of news articles over time and their work reviewed in journals, magazines and books. Of special interest is Struggle in Jerash (2009), which received a good deal of attention. They are also known for their Open Music Archive and creative commons advocacy. Obviously, I think the article should be moved to Eileen Simpson and Ben White or something similar since they are known for their partnership and would not be notable by themselves. Passes GNG and CREATIVE for reviews of their work. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:41, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
then hte best thing to do would be give it a try. I have no objection. DGG ( talk ) 15:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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Dual Vee Model

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None of the references appear to discuss this specific model; V-Model (software development) is a separate article. Massive amounts of unsourced material that are possibly original research. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment also, 7 of the 10 references are to books/papers by Forsberg and Mooz. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:19, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Netherlands-Kazakhstan relations

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Doesn't credibly claim to meet standards set by Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations#Bilateral_relations Classicwiki (talk) (ping me please) 04:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep as the article itself says, the Netherlands is one of Kazakhstan's most important trading partners; 50% of foreign direct investment in Kazakhstan begins in the Netherlands. There are plenty of sources documenting this relationship including [13], [14], [15], [16] and others.--TM 10:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep this entry meets the the standards set by Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations#Bilateral_relations as the two countries are engaged in significant trade. It is well documented that the Netherlands is the largest foreign direct investor in Kazakhstan.--User:BrotmeisterB 13:44, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Saraswati Vidya Mandir Bhulinagar Dhanbad

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No references. Schools are not automatically notable, and there is no notability without independent references.

Infobox has too many redlinks. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:51, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. The number of redlinks in the infobox has no bearing on whether the article should be deleted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I sometimes try to improve school articles, but this is too much of a mess. Unless editors find WP:RS in the next few days and tidy up the article, redirect to Vidya Bharati, as a redirect might be enough for those who wish to create articles about their schools. An alterative is to add it to the list at Dhanbad#Schools with a redirect. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:55, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep as there's no serious violations and any attempts to fix this can certainly be made without immediate deletion. SwisterTwister talk 23:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Love Action Drama

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Fails WP:NFF. Shooting starts only in August 2017, per the article's own admission. Other sources put the date at October. Jupitus Smart 04:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Usually correct, but reasonable exceptions are allowed. Schmidt, Michael Q. 17:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Draftify or Keep and continue improvements since the topic of this upcoming film IS getting a lot of coverage and may be considered as a reasonable exception. If deleted, an undeletion will simply occur in 3 or 4 weeks when filming is confirmed. Flat out deletion is not always the best answer. Ping me. Schmidt, Michael Q. 17:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@MichaelQSchmidt: I think draftfy will be the best option here, no doubt the film is receiving lot of coverage but there is no confirm date when the filming will actually start. Thank you – GSS (talk|c|em) 18:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Draftifying should ideally serve some purpose. There is hardly any content in the article to merit saving in a draft, and this can be easily restarted as and when production begins. There are only 3 things out for now (which can also change) - Dhyan is directing it, and Nivin and Nayanthara are acting in it. The August 2017 start date has 6 references cited - though it is mentioned in none of them. Nivin (Nivin's Hey Jude has started production recently, so if the creator is watching this AfD, he may consider creating an article for it) and Nayanthara are currently flooded with movies, so there is no possibility of the movie starting production anytime soon. While [this is indeed a decent amount of references, most of it has to do with the news value associated with Dhyan making his directorial debut and Nivin and Nayanthara uniting for the first time. Also many of the references are from websites considered as unreliable per WP:ICTFFAQ, and if this article stays for long, we will soon have one of these sites using Wikipedia to put the start date at August, and thereby start off a circular referencing. I therefore believe that the best solution should be to redirect it to Dhyan Sreenivasan, as he is the only person who has no possibility of changing, considering the movie is based on his story. Jupitus Smart 03:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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BSC Artur Music

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Contested PROD. While the team exists, I can't find any in-depth coverage beyond brief match reports (searching in English, but searching with both "Music" and "Myuzik", as per the extant footnotes), which would suggest that notability doesn't yet extend to the constituent teams in this league. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Top European club, national champion, two-times runners-up of the Euro Winners Cup, top-level European club competition (analog of the Champions League in football). 185.59.158.22 (talk) 09:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
The lack of extant information about the Euro Winners Cup doesn't necessarily help in this regard either, to be honest. An analogue of the Champions League is not automatically a notable tournament just because that's what it says it is, if that makes sense. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:06, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Some in-depth coverage (mostly in Rus): [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] 185.59.158.22 (talk) 10:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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Frog Design Inc.

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Article is written like a brochure. best to merge with Aricent. or no ground of significance as an encyclopedia. This article suits the purpose of company purpose from the way its written. Part of notable group/ investment firm like Kohlberg Kravis Roberts. It does not mean we should make a directory or corporate profile here. Light2021 (talk) 15:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Frog design is a design firm of international recognition for many decades. If the article has issues, they should be dealt with by improving the article rather than deleting it. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:20, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep -- a storied company; sample coverage which I believe rises to the level of WP:SIGCOV, in Jony Ive: The Genius Behind Apple's Greatest Products and Basics Product Design 03: Visual Conversations, for example. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Nathanael Greene Historical Foundation

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This is a local non-profit without any national media coverage. Fails WP:NONPROFIT Rogermx (talk) 14:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep seems to have sufficient sources In ictu oculi (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Merge to Greensboro, Pennsylvania. As far as I can make out, reading between the lines of this advert. This is a community organisation in a village of 300 people to promote its conservation, which it does by holding an arts festival. As such it is not independently notable. Sourcing is not everything. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete As per the nomination. Promotional article for a local non-profit foundation. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 05:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak support for Redirect to a very brief (single sentence) mention at Greensboro, Pennsylvania, perhaps under subhead Greensboro, Pennsylvania#The industrial era and today, basing redirect on a handful of mentions in regional dailies dating to 2007-9, about a dispute over custody of some historic artifacts, a fundraiser... small potatoes stuff but plausibly enough for a redirect. However, the article as it stands is mere puffery for a small (very small) town charity.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Mher Khachatryan (artist)

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There is a claim for notability, but the only criteria that allows him to pass WP:CREATIVE is being part of Armenian National Gallery and here is the problem. The article does not even mentions him being part of the collection and more, it's just about some group exhibition held in the gallery. Other sources are not enough to establish notability Arthistorian1977 (talk) 06:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Arthistorian1977 (talk) 06:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Reason for nomination is moot - the National Gallery of Armenia does not collect contemporary artists. The most current artist mentioned in the gallery collection is Aram Isabekyan (b. 1952).[22] Other, contemporary sources clearly point to notability. Manc1234 (talk) 13:37, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Manc1234, Beside National Gallery of Armenia, and in case you are right, the information in article is intentionally wrong, there is no any other point, that may get him passing WP:ARTISTS. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Arthistorian1977, it does not benefit the encyclopedia to remove an article about a subject relevant to contemporary art couched in Armenian history. Khachatryan may not be the next Picasso, but he's producing and exhibiting work that encyclopedia users may see in the real world and want further context about. I believe in this instance, we should make an exception for the collection rule on WP:CREATIVE. Manc1234 (talk) 14:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Manc1234 It's not the case of benefit or not. There are rules, but there is a common sense as well. In his case, both rules and common sense tell he is not notable. Collection is just one of criteria of WP:CREATIVE. In order to pass, artist may meet only one of those criterias, but unfortunaltely he does not meet a single one. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Arthistorian1977, I've added a notability flag and I suggest we seek out Armenian experts before a final decision is made. There is a lot of content about Khachatryan on non-English language pages.Manc1234 (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I will be happy to change my mind in case there will be enough Armenian references, but for an Artist, living and working in USA for almost 15 years, I'd expect to see some English references. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 22:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. The article claims his work have been exhibited in National Gallery of Armenia, but I red the reference provided in it's Russian version and it does not mention him as one of participants.Arthistorian1977 (talk) 22:30, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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Gianfranco Zaccai

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Nonnotable. One Paragraph to write? Wikipedia is not Social Media Light2021 (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep per WP:GNG. Has coverage in Boston Globe[23], WSJ[24], and other publications[25][26][27][28][29] Article is stubby and sources not the best quality, but could be improved. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Are you reading those or they are coming just from notable media so we should keep these articles for the sake of it. Wikipedia is not Newspaper that every one article coverage about one person should have a place in Wikipedia. Else we will end of creating 100000 pages every day covering on any kind of local to national media discussing of individuals. Clearly that is not what Wikipedia meant for.
WSJ: Industrial designer Gianfranco Zaccai is lying in a hospital bed. What is this coverage?
bostonglobe : A Press coverage? Thats allLight2021 (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
What is your point? He meets WP:GNG with in-depth coverage in reliable sources over multiple years. He passes WP:NOTNEWS because of the continuing and in-depth nature of the coverage. Do you have a policy-based reason to assert he is not notable? --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete -- a directory like listing at best; notability not established. The achievements are not significant enough for an encyclopedia entry. Wikipedia is not LinkedIn. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Allen Ratnayake

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Fails WP:NMUSIC, WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. The references cited are merely mentions in passing. Dan arndt (talk) 00:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC) Dan arndt (talk) 00:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • They passed his name mentioning because they assume his notability. Simple question, why didn't they forget him? Lkartlv (talk) 12:49, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Lkartlv - notability means receiving significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. "Significant coverage" is more than a trivial mention or a mere mention in passing but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. Dan arndt (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Dan arndt, In fact I agree with your opinion. But my point is mere coverage should not take as the main factor for a judgement of notability of something. It is just a single factor that we can consider of. But we have to realize that coverage is depended on some other factors too. If I spend about 2000 LKRs I can be notable person tomorrow :) We have to think of how someone's work has affected to the human society, why people even pass mentioning their names. Lkartlv (talk) 13:20, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Lkartlv this is why WP has certain standards of proof to establish notability. At this stage there isn't enough evidence provided that meets those standards. Dan arndt (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
For a reliable source to identify him as "one of the giants" carries some weight for a person active before the Internet. Dan Arndt, you described the general notability guidelines, not the entirety of what is held to constitute notability on Wikipedia. Largoplazo (talk) 14:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Lkartlv, I regret to see such a comment by a wikipedian that does not make any sense. Lkartlv (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I hereby would like to mention my suggestions in brief.
1. The name 'Allen Ratnayake' is referred for a musical artist from Sri Lanka.
2. Many soundtracks recorded with his voice can be found online and Radio channels like Sri lanka broadcasting Corporation (SLBC) are broadcasting his songs as categorized as Sinhala Gramophone songs.
3. I have given some reliable sources to prove that the information in the article is true and correct.
4. One of the given sources has been challenged for its reliability. (Infolanka.com / Miyuru Gee)
5. There are three other sources can be found. The source which mentions the words "one of the giants" had originally been published in 2002. It can be verified by checking its date label and the url (http://archives.dailynews.lk/2002/09/09/fea10.html). The publisher is The Associated Newspapers of Ceylon Ltd (Daily News, Sri Lanka). The other source had been published in 1998 by Sunday Times, sri Lanka. The words "one of the giants" are not mentioned within that source (http://www.sundaytimes.lk/980104/plus6.html). The third source is Free Music Archive which is credited as an 'an interactive library of high-quality' on this wikipedia. I ask Largoplazo, do you seriously believe that some one had created those sources to carry some weight for a person active before the Internet? Lkartlv (talk) 15:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Why are you asking whether I believe something I never said or implied that I believed? Largoplazo (talk) 16:03, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Largoplazo, Well, you've commented above that "For a reliable source to identify him as "one of the giants" carries some weight for a person active before the Internet". I'm asking you, is that as you believe it or an empty-headed lion talk that has nothing to do with this discussion? Please answer. Did you remove a section from this article titled "See also" under which three other articles published on this very Wikipedia (not external links) of some common categories were listed? if yes, why? Was it a destructive edit that carried some weight for a person active before the internet? Lkartlv (talk) 07:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
  • My comment about "one of the giants" was the one thing I wrote that's in your favor, and now you're challenging me on it, which makes no sense. I also did not remove the See Also section, which the article's history confirms. Largoplazo (talk) 10:07, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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Michael Kurland

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Article contains no references (at all) and probably for a reason: a Google search turns up his home website, multiple Facebook accounts, LinkedIn, Amazon.com listings of his books for sale, evidence of being the recipient of two non-notable awards (what's an Edgar scroll?), more evidence of books he has published, and this Wikipedia article. What I did not find was non-trivial discussion of him in multiple reliable independent secondary published sources; a publication history does not confer notability, and WP:AUTHOR does not look like it has been nor can be met. KDS4444 (talk) 07:19, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

The Edgar thing appears to be referring to the Edgar Award, which is a fairly notable award except that Kurland has never actually won it; what he's got two of is nominations (Best Paperback Original, 1970 and 1980). Which is of course not quite as good for notability purposes. — Paul A (talk) 08:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Keep. A prolific, well-known journeyman writer who published mostly prior to the Internet. His sf was renewed regularly in genre magazines as well as in Booklist, Kirkus Reviews, Library Journal, Publishers Weekly, School Library Journal, and the Chicago Daily News. His recent mysteries have s similar level of coverage. PW site shows about a dozen reviews in the last decade or so. The coverage is out there. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Boutir

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Promotional spam.Nil notability. Winged Blades Godric 06:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep - Significant coverage in reliable sources. Non-english sources are acceptable for establishing notability. ~Kvng (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Comment Please post links to what you consider to be the significant coverage in reliable sources. -- HighKing++ 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete The references in the article are either produced by the company or are announcements relating to funding. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:ORGIND and GNG. -- HighKing++ 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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List of longest gaps between studio albums

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Reeks of original research... note the lack of references. And it is eye-wateringly trivial. TheLongTone (talk) 12:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • I doubt it's OR as it's got some references[30][31][32]. Still of questionable notability. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, I agree, WP:OR wouldn't be the issue here - very little in the way of subjective values would be involved here, it's merely tracking the distance between two objective release dates, something that would be easy to source for something like music albums. The bigger issue would probably be whether or not it meets WP:LISTN/WP:NLIST. Sergecross73 msg me 14:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment: hardly definitive either... in the last 12 months alone, both the Avalanches and Chuck Berry would need to be added to this list. Richard3120 (talk) 17:07, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment This could be a great list, but it lacks focus. It's def. a notable concept with real-world notability - here's some sources [33], [34], [35]. But it needs a clear set of inclusion criteria (maybe 10 years?), or limit it to the top 50/100 gaps? There could be literally hundreds, if not thousands of bands with "big" gaps between albums. Off the top of my head, there's sixteen years between Swans releasing Soundtracks for the Blind, breaking up, reforming and then releasing My Father Will Guide Me up a Rope to the Sky. And it's already been 11 years since Tool did 10,000 Days. I'm still waiting for the follow-up. Grrrrrr. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:50, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Lugnuts - the list could be a useful one, but very difficult to implement without some inclusion criteria. How do we know, or will we find out, if there are African or Asian artists that have had a gap of more than ten years between albums, especially if they're obscure and don't have their own Wikipedia articles? Even if you limit it to Western musicians, there are many that could fall though the gaps if you only think along the lines of rock or pop acts (e.g. Vashti Bunyan).
I'm never comfortable with lists like this being on Wikipedia because it's hard to be definitive about them. Still, that's not a reason for including them, and as Sergecross73 says, subjectivity is not the issue (unlike the big problems with List of best-selling girl groups, which I've given up trying to police). Richard3120 (talk) 18:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Lugnuts, Richard3120 - I think I may actually be leaning towards keep on this. It's actually a topic that (painfully) interests me, with it being relevant to a number of band's I actively maintain here (Tool, A Perfect Circle, Third Eye Blind, etc.) If its kept, I'd work on inclusion criteria, maintenance, etc. WP:ALBUMS is moderately active as a WikiProject too, so I imagine we could get input from there if issues arise. Sources do cover this sort of thing, and I'm good at inclusion criteria setup/enforcement, so it seems possible. Even if its deleted, not very much work was put into this list, and its not the type of chart I'd set up for it, so unless consensus is this article should never exist in any capacity, I may start up a draft of a more policy/guideline compliant version anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 18:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
It needs sources to start with, and I think the basic inclusion criteria would be 10 years+ and both the band/artist and the albums would need existing wiki articles. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree with all of that. I'm also not sure about the whole year/month/days format - it could get hard source things down to the day, especially considering we're going to be talking about albums initially released long ago. And for album's without release dates, (like Tool's situation) that are merely going "to present", it would require constant updating. (Every day you'd have to add one more day on.) Unless we didn't add artists who still haven't released the follow up album (like Tool), though, that'd be a shame, as that sort of thing gets a lot of coverage too. There's some kinks to be worked out, for sure, but I think its do-able from a practical and Wikipedia policy standpoint. Sergecross73 msg me 18:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I've just realised the list doesn't yet include the whole Chinese Democracy debacle, which you would have thought would be the first thing that springs to mind when compiling a list like this... Richard3120 (talk) 23:52, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak keep the article seems to suffer a case of WP:NOTDUP but the topic seems meritable with a clear inclusion criteria. Ajf773 (talk) 20:18, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • I think... I'm going for keep on this one... sources should not be difficult to obtain (when an artist releases their first album in more than a decade, it tends to get a lot of press), but as Lugnuts says, it really needs focus and proper criteria for inclusion set in stone from the beginning – if Sergecross73 is willing to take this on, I don't think this is insoluble. Some cut-off point needs to be defined as well, and I suspect it will have to be more than 10 years... even with a 15-year gap we might end up with more than 50 artists on the list (apart from those already mentioned above, Pixies and TLC spring to mind). One other point I wanted to raise: would you include someone like Barry Gibb, whose two solo albums are 32 years apart but who obviously released a few studio albums in the intervening years with a certain other group? Richard3120 (talk) 05:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Maybe that's the type of scenario where we'd handle it based on how sources usually cover it? If there's a lot of "Wow, this is the first Barry Gibbs release in 32 years!" RS comments out there, we'd include it, but if its commonly covered as "This is the first output from Gibbs in 4 years, since the Gibbs related "Album X" album came out" then maybe we don't add it? It is hard to say though. I'm not really familiar with the nuances of Gibb's career in particular, but in general, I mean, sometimes, artists break off and do solo stuff that is totally different, and others end up doing solo stuff that's basically interchangeable with their band's stuff. It's something we could hash out with inclusion criteria and talk page discussion I'm sure. Sergecross73 msg me 12:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: just to say I can certainly find RS that state "Barry Gibbs' first solo album in 32 years" - [36], [37]. Richard3120 (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Wow, yeah, and Billboard no less. Yeah, I'd include that, unless the inclusion criteria talks go in a different direction that I anticipate... Sergecross73 msg me 14:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Nearly forgot about this (and to actually !vote too...) Keep as long as the inclusion criteria for the band/artist and time-gap are set out. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 06:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - Conceptually, it meets Wikipedia's requirement's for a list. I was hesitant to say "keep" because this particular iteration is so poorly done - I'd do it entirely different in the ways of formatting, entries, sources, etc. Not sure if it'd be easier to just start from scratch. But I do intend on making such an article, and will develop inclusion criteria. So I may as well say keep. Sergecross73 msg me 12:25, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Brand Attic

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Unremarkable organisation. -Claim of notability thinner than a pink Rizla, and a dollar to a donut the daily mail references are the result of active PR hacks. TheLongTone (talk) 12:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete - Featured in the Daily Express and the Daily Mail? One presumes they made some 14-year old daughter-of-a-celeb look "leggy" and "all-grown-up" therefore attracting salivating coverage from these unreliable sources. If this really is the best that can be produced to show notability, there's a very, very long way to go. Mabalu (talk) 13:56, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - Passes WP:GNG by coverage in major UK newspapers. Daily Mail is discredited as a source of personal information but not about anything else. Also, please drop the wacky prose guys, this isn't creative writing class. (Dollar a to a donut? All-grown-up? Urgh!) Manc1234 (talk) 14:14, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Don't be so stuck up.TheLongTone (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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Religiousness of young and emerging adults

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Article seems to be college essay uploaded in 2012, delete as per WP:FORUM Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 14:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • @Barryob: The issues are explicitly not reasons for deletion. WP:DEL-REASON. Not saying it's not worth nominating, but you may want to add to your deletion rationale. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:19, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep but I accept that this article needs a lot of work to be done on it. I think that it could do with a new title such as "Religion in young adulthood" - the talk page does query the use of the phrase "emerging adults". Vorbee (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP and Vorbee. - GretLomborg (talk) 20:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a repository for college essays, which is what this appears to be. With extensive rework, the topic may be suitable for its own article, but this really doesn't look like the base for that. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Topic and article is notable, needs to be cleaned up, not deleted. per WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:54, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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Black lava salt

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unreferenced, blatant advert Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment: I rolled back the expansion by 107.142.156.143 (talk · contribs) that changed it from a stub article to an advertisement. I've no idea if it is trademarked as the ip asserts. --Ronz (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Redirect to Sea salt. Unlikely there's information for a separate article. Power~enwiki (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep I am finding book references sufficient to meet WP:SIGCOV. For example, here at p. 177. And somewhat briefer, but similar here. And here at p. 244, a description contrasting this salt with other types. There are numerous cookbook references to recipes using this salt as an ingedient, as well. Geoff | Who, me? 22:14, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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Socorro Santiago

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A 10-year old article with no sources, and just one "external link" - the "always reliable" IMDb. The content of the article is a list of credits, which is preceded by one sentence. That one sentence explicitly states "has made occasional appearances". This article hardly meets notability requirements. Kellymoat (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete no references other than IMDb; not listed as cast on movie pages like Night Falls on Manhattan so those appearances are likely not notable. Power~enwiki (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment The actress has won an ALMA Award (and seemingly was nominated another time as well) for her work on All My Children. I'm not familiar with her career other than she made far more appearances on All My Children than the IMDB lists. She seems to be pretty active in the theater scene as well, but not sure how notable her work in that field is. Very difficult to find biographical info on her. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 00:53, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Upon researching the subject a little more, I believe she is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. I have added some sources to the article with a little biographical information and award nomination and wins, which I believe assert notability. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR. — Wyliepedia 19:42, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep after the improvements there's a clear case of notability. Power~enwiki (talk) 04:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Three Point Capital

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No evidence of any notability. Refs note that its arrived in Ohio and that it has a website. Packing the article out with film titles rather draws attention to the lack of general substance. All refs way below the line for notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   18:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete per nom. - GretLomborg (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Don't the many films worked on clearly indicate notability? They do not have many outside sources to pull from but how does that make it not notable? Also its a private company you cannot expect it to have many sources on it. Awilliams103 (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @Awilliams103: Notability is not inherited. Working on a notable film does not make the company inherently notable. The general notability guideline is still the best baseline: has the company been written about in depth in multiple independent reliable sources? If a company is notable—public or private—it should meet that guideline. —C.Fred (talk) 21:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. The Variety article goes into some depth—or it's parroted from a press release. I feel like it's too early to delete it; I'd like more time to do source-searching. That said, this is a keep "without prejudice": if three to six months pass and no sources are located, I think a second AfD nomination is in order. —C.Fred (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep I went ahead an added some more sources and information and will continue to do so. Thanks for the info @C.Fred:. Awilliams103 (talk) 21:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Ivan Rusilko

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Non-notable resume/advertisement like article lacking substantial, in-depth, non-trivial support. "References" include a lot of single line mentions and such. reddogsix (talk) 21:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Emile Damey

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Has not played for Liberia in an official match as the game between Liberia and Morocco occurred on the same day that Morocco played against Albania in an official friendly. The match between Liberia and Morocco on 31 August 2016 was effectively an unofficial match against the Moroccan B team. Simione001 (talk) 03:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Treason For My Daily Bread

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Fails WP:NBOOK/WP:BOOKCRIT due to lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. See related discussion about the story's protagonist in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mikhail Mikhailovich Lebedev. This article - as well as the articles about the protagonist and the book's author - cites various unreliable fringe sources as evidence that they were fooled by the premise of the story. Location (talk) 03:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Mikhail Mikhailovich Lebedev

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Non-notable character in a non-notable fictional book (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Treason For My Daily Bread). This article - as well as the articles about the book and the book's author - cites various unreliable fringe sources as evidence that they were fooled by the premise of the story. I do not see any significant coverage in reliable sources about this character. Location (talk) 03:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Roshani KC

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Fails WP:NACTOR. ReelNepal listing movies by this person is not sufficient for notability. First AfD was closed as no consensus per WP:NPASR for having minimal participation. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 03:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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St. Maria Goretti Church, Laflin, Pennsylvania

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fails notability Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Atheistic nationalism

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Subject is not covered significantly as a unified subject in reliable sources outside of mirrors. Results are mirrors and text where someone mentions in passing that a brand of nationalism is in a atheistic way. I prefer deletion, but I'm open to a merge if there is a suitable target.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  02:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete At first glance, it seems it does not have any good sources to deserve an article. I will try to look for more sources, but as it is it barely has any encyclopedic value. Ebacci EN (talk) 04:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete As per the nomination. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 05:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete, not only because as Nom states, the term is not in significant use as a term of art, but because in a quick search, where these two word ane used in conjunction in phrases like "All forms of pagan or atheistic nationalism are demonic", "should penetrate beyond the shell of secular atheistic nationalism into the divine spark at the core of...", or "It is fashionable to ascribe the horrors of Nazism to an atheistic nationalism", there are simple 2 words that convey a meaning, but not a defined ideology. The exception to this is with regard to Soviet Russia. There I did see what seems like use of this phrase as a sort of term of art:"they sought to supplant religious faith with a new religion—atheistic nationalism—making this, and not the Russian Orthodox Church,the focal point for...", but I did not find enough such uses to persuade me that it is a commonly used or notable term of art.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

The Killing of a President

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Conspiracy book fails WP:NBOOK/WP:BOOKCRIT. While it gets some mention in the "walled-garden" of conspiracy authors and websites, I don't see any significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. The first citation in the article does not mention the book. Location (talk) 01:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete - The book does not meet general notability requirements and lacks independent coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 02:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hot City Bump Band

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Does not appear to be a notable band; only one release of theirs seemed to have charted, and even then, only in Melbourne. I also could not find enough significant coverage about this band; even the only YouTube video I could find admitted that the band "was not very commercially successful". Given the band's age, it's possible that some coverage might exist offline, and indeed, the same YouTube video hints that the band might have been somewhat influential in the Melbourne music scene of the 1970s. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:54, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Has an entry in Ian McFarlane's Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop [38]. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Interesting find. Are there any other sources out there? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not convinced that the band are notable enough (as per the nomination). Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 04:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Akim Ramoul

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:38, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Yannick Hamri

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Harond Litim

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Karim Kerbouche

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Djilali Hamri

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Yassine Fahas

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Saad Tawfiq

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Gareth Roberts (ice hockey)

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Sean Collins (ice hockey forward, born 1983)

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Ri Chol-min

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Om Sung-chol

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Farzad Houshidari

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Yevgeni Kniter

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Sergei Belo

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Boris Amromin

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Tsewang Gyaltson

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep - fails WP:NHOCKEY, but passes GNG as per sources in the first AFD. Just needs improvement. Madg2011 (talk) 00:44, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete: Honestly, I'm not seeing it. There's exactly ONE cite from the first AfD providing substantial coverage to the subject -- as opposed to namedrops, or nothing more than quoting the subject, which can't be used to support the notability of the subject -- and that's this one: [39] Only one is insufficient to meet the GNG, and when you take a good look at that one ... The Viewspaper? There's no information even on its website about this publication: where it's published, what its bonafides are, no address, no location, no nothing. No Wikipedia article on it either, which leaves me to wonder upon which basis this can be called a reliable source? Ravenswing 14:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Tserenbaljir Baatarkhuu

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Batzayaagiin Pürevdorj

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Non-notable hockey player. Lacks GNG to justify an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Jargalsaikhany Bayarsaikhan

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Lacks GNG to justify an article. Has won a continental level medal in Bandy... but does that make them notable? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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SendMeRSS

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References consist of links to the gateway creator's website or other blog sites and do not appear to come from reliable independent verifiable published sources with any editorial oversight. Looks to have been heavily edited by the gateway's creator without a COI declaration. KDS4444 (talk) 00:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete - Per nominator. Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 02:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Files

Files for discussion

July 20

File:EDSA.jpg

File:EDSA.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Docrx (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Lacks a source. Magog the Ogre (t c) 02:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

File:James Bond cover.jpg

File:James Bond cover.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Obriens86 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:David Bowie Music Icons.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Obriens86 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File:Hornby cover.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Obriens86 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

(OTRS agent): These images were primarily created by Buckingham Covers, a stamp/memorabilia company, and contain reproductions of UK stamps. An OTRS ticket 2017050510006926 was received from the creators which released the images into the public domain. However, the UK stamps within the images are copyrighted property of Royal Mail, who governs the conditions of their use in a manner that permits use for specific purposes (though strictly non-commercial) and prohibits derivatives. So even though the attempted release into the public domain was confirmed by OTRS, the (a) size of the reproduction and the (b) significance of the copyrighted material as almost main subjects of the works themselves, means that the images cannot be properly considered to be public domain works. The authors are not legally able to release the Royal Mail components into the public domain, and the components present in the images have restrictions that are incompatible with our requirements for freely licensed media. seb26 (talk) 04:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete: When I first tagged these for speedy deletion it was on the basis that Royal Mail stamps are copyright for 50 years per crown copyright, so due to their prominence the image were a copyvio. It would have surprised me if Royal Mail really relinquished their rights to a stamp dealer to allow commercial and/or derivative use of their stamps. For these 3 images to be kept we really require an additional OTRS release from Royal Mail. Besides which there are some other issues with these 3 images: who was the photographer of the background image on the Bowie image and where is their release, and has the Hornby logo been released freely because it is likely non-free considering the low threshold of originality in UK. ww2censor (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
    • This is a valid point about the Bowie imagery. A public domain release is the decision with the most significant legal consequence in comparison to all other copyright arrangements. It is highly unlikely that the record label for that album donated all exclusive rights to Royal Mail for that album cover, and that is exactly what would be required of Royal Mail if they were to properly designate their stamps as public domain. They most likely purchased a limited license to use the album on their stamps, key word there being limited, with no ability to relicense and donate the work entirely. However, the OTRS ticket as I mentioned above does *not* in its current state have any clear words from Royal Mail saying they *did* release anything into the public domain, only that Wikipedia was permitted to display them. Of course, that is not sufficient for our needs. For the record, I posted this ticket on the OTRS noticeboard a few days before nominating but I will try to get the attention of another OTRS agent to cross check its contents. seb26 (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I am currently waiting on a reworded permission from Royal Mail. If you're still not happy I will re-upload the images with the stamps not visible

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That will be a better solution. Royal Mail does not appear to be in a position to declare public domain for David Bowie album covers or James Bond comic book covers so whatever permission they send is not likely to be legally acceptable for us. seb26 (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • The image File:James Bond cover.jpg does not now appear to be a problem but there are issues with the other two. Who is the photographer of the background photo used in File:David Bowie Music Icons.jpg and where is the evidence this image has been released freely. For File:Hornby cover.jpg , who designed the train labels and where is the copyright release for those labels. Additionally, has Hornby released their logo into the public domain as UK copyright will still consider this to be above the threshold of originality due to the low level UK accepts. Maybe the logo is old enough to be in the public domain but that must be determined to keep this image. Without answers to the 2nd and 3rd image we really need more details otherwise they should be deleted. ww2censor (talk) 12:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

File:James Joseph DeMartis.JPG

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Conflicting license - "fair use" and GFDL – Train2104 (t • c) 17:39, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the "fair use" and GFDL copyright tags from all 5 images on the James Joseph DeMartis page and replaced each one with the PD-self copyright tag. Please let me know if these images are ok now. Thanks, Leezk (talk) 12:52, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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File:Immanuvel Devendrar.jpeg

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The "own work" claim seems fairly implausible. It is a crop from something and a part of the provided information refers to a poster. Probably a copyright violation but it has been here since 2012 so there will be a lot of propagation on the web. Sitush (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Categories

July 20

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Salutatorians

Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_18#Category:Valedictorians. —swpbT 13:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Regions of Northern Mexico

Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_3#Category:Regions_of_Mexico. —swpbT 13:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Office buildings on the National Register of Historic Places in Manhattan

Nominator's rationale: Rename and rescope - until we have such a category on the New York City level, we certainly don't need it on the Manhattan level. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • keep I have created the appropriate category at the NYC level and populated it; there are members outside Manhattan. Mangoe (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Mergenthaler Linotype Company typefaces

Nominator's rationale: Duplicates the "Linotype typefaces" category. Already tagged for speedy deletion by the category's creator (who hasn't edited since), I suspect for this reason. Rowan03 (talk) 10:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Libertarian socialist parties

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate page List of libertarian political parties Rowan03 (talk) 10:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep pending the presentation of a valid reason to delete. —swpbT 13:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:NOTDUP. I am open to the possibility that there may be a valid reason to delete, but the nominator has not provided one. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Libertarian parties

Nominator's rationale: duplicate article List of libertarian political parties Rowan03 (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep pending the presentation of a valid reason to delete. —swpbT 13:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:NOTDUP. I am open to the possibility that there may be a valid reason to delete, but the nominator has not provided one. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Sri Lankan accessibility activists

Nominator's rationale: Empty. Only entry was also in Sri Lankan disability rights activists which is part of an established system Rathfelder (talk) 09:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Cambyses II

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Olivet College Athletic Hall of Fame Inductees

Nominator's rationale: Induction into this minor hall of fame is not a defining characteristic worthy of categorization. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


Redirects

July 20

Template:PermissionOTRSOnly

unused, implausible, needlessly confusing FASTILY 05:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

New Yorke

Delete this as unlikely misspelling; New-Yorke (with hyphen) was redirected to HP Saturn#New-Yorke per discussion — JFG talk 01:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I think New Yorke is a likely misspelling for New-Yorke, and I would prefer to keep it but redirect it to HP Saturn#New-Yorke. Tea2min (talk) 09:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete, and delete New-Yorke too. An entirely unnotable printer, which never even made it to production. Since neither of these two redirects pointed to the HP page until the past couple of days, I don't think they're at all necessary.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:What Wikipedia Is

Retarget all to Wikipedia:Introduction#What is Wikipedia?, the target of Wikipedia:What is Wikipedia. (So, for Wikipedia:What is Wikipedia, I recommend "keep"-ing it as is. Either way, all of these redirect's should probably target the same target.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Templates

July 20

Template:The Hill School

Unnecessary, most pages nominated for deletion. Pretentious, and created for the sole purpose of promoting the school's prestige, along with the splintering of all the contained articles. Peapod21 (talk) 22:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

  • delete if the articles are deleted, and keep if the articles are kept. Frietjes (talk) 15:34, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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  • keepNot sure how a template is supposed to make a school more prestigious. But here is a good example of a template for a school that increases accessibility, which should be a example to emulate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:The_Doon_School Hyungjoo98 (talk) 09:35, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Update: All articles except for non Hill School related and routine alumni/head of school pages have been deleted. alphalfalfa(talk) 01:47, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Hungary bids for the Olympic Games

Useless. Only one valid link. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Turkey bids for the Olympic Games

Only one valid link. useless. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Czech Republic bids for the Olympic Games

Useless. Only one valid link. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Bids for the 1960 Winter Olympics

Useless. All redlinks. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Dangerous

Unused, overly vague name Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 07:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Isn't that meant to be substed? – Uanfala 13:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:W3C-valid

Unused, unclear purpose Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. This template is intended to provide a badge and link to W3C validator to validate wiki article for HTML errors. This template could be used especially on portals and talk pages (to place there th result of HTML validation and what can be fixed). See: Help:Markup validation. --RezonansowyakaRezy (talk | contribs) 07:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Canada bids for the Olympic Games

Unused, all redlinks Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Only one valid link. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Bids for the 2026 Winter Olympics

There is no substance to this template. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Leslye Headland

Not enough links to provide useful navigation. See WP:NENAN Rob Sinden (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • delete. it appears the articles are already well-connected where it's useful. Frietjes (talk) 13:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete for now since this template used to have writing credits, which the guidelines are against. Two directing credits are not enough to sustain an article. I find three preferable because there is less chance of each individual article mentioning the other two (as opposed to two films mentioning their respective predecessor or successor). Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Martha Elizabeth Burchfield Richter

Now that the entries which were not closely enough related to the subject have been removed, there are not enough links to provide meaningful navigation. Rob Sinden (talk) 13:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • delete. it appears the articles are already well-connected where it's useful. Frietjes (talk) 13:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:The Royal Collection Department

A mess of a navbox. There are over 7000 works of art in the Royal Collection, so picking a few to include here is selective and subjective. Things such as the Crown Jewels are better handled with their own navbox {{Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom}}, etc. Rob Sinden (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Robert Antoine Pinchon

Template was a mass of external and tangential links. Now these have been trimmed, there is nothing left. Rob Sinden (talk) 11:51, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • delete. it appears the articles are already well-connected where it's useful. unlinked entries, and external links can be included in the parent list article as they do not aid navigation but are generally useful otherwise. Frietjes (talk) 13:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Théodore Chassériau

Not enough active links to warrant a navbox. Rob Sinden (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

  • delete, but make sure the list of works is in the parent article before deleting. Frietjes (talk) 13:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Political parties in Donetsk People's Republic

The template fails basic Wikipedia policies such WP:N, WP:V, WP:NOTNEWS, and others. Rowan03 (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Cc-by-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0

Unused, replaceable by {{Cc-by-3.0}} {{Cc-by-2.5}} {{Cc-by-2.0}} {{Cc-by-1.0}} FASTILY 05:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Geographic location

Useless and horrible.

  1. Is a navbox that serves no necessary navigation function, since all this information would (or should) already be in the article text.
  2. Is abused as a non-navbox and inserted in mid-article. [40]
  3. There is no consensus to use this; it only appears on a tiny fraction of geographical articles, and editors frequently delete it when a "decorator" tries to add it.
  4. It's abusing tables for layout, an MOS:Accessibility problem.
  5. It's against MOS:ICONS, using icons as pure decoration.
  6. It takes up a tremendous amount of room for very little information.
  7. It is confusing and misleading, assigning absolute compass points that do not correspond to actual direction in many cases.
  8. Encourages a WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE problem, of trying to add something to every direction even if nothing notable is there, or close.
  9. There's no limit to the the abusability of it; nothing constrains to to use only for contiguous places, opening it to PoV use to point toward subjectively "important" places that aren't actually juxtaposed.
  10. It is not coded properly to collapse like other navboxes.

In general, this has a WP:NOT#WEBHOST problem, similar to various decorative quotation-formatting templates that were deleted a few years ago. WP doesn't exist for people's design experiments.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  02:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

This needs to be redesigned, not deleted. This is used on thousands of pages. KMF (talk) 02:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
It's awful. Tony (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
And spoiler templates were also used in thousands of places. So were decorative icons before we said "enough" and instituted MOS:ICONS. "Used on thousands of pages" amounts to a "STUFFEXISTS" argument when there's not clear rationale for the use. What we need to address here is whether this actually serves a useful purpose. I've laid out a strong case that it does not.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  02:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I edited the template sandbox. Is my version better, since it removes the icons (which are the main thing you're complaining about)? KMF (talk) 03:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
note that there is already an option for suppressing the compass icons. I would not be opposed to making that the default. Frietjes (talk) 13:27, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, this is misapplying MOS:ICONS. The compass roses are not icons in that sense. Decoration in itself is not against policy. -- P 1 9 9   13:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete I have to admit a certain guilt here, as I added it to nearly 1,000 articles three years ago. But I do agree that infoboxes and navboxes are often overused. And this one is of very limited use, violating many of the principles in WP:NAVBOX; notable neighbours should be described in prose in the text, and maybe with a map, and usually are. — Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 10:24, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong keep as per all previous keep arguments at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 January 5#Template:Geographic Location. It is used extensively and consistently for municipalities in Ontario, Quebec, all of the Philippines and Benelux. These "good" examples show that if the suggestions at Template:Geographic location/doc are followed, most of the issues would be resolved. Moreover, most of the problems listed above are not unique to this template. In fact, every template is open to abuse and misuse, but that is not a deletion reason.
The usefulness of this template is as a navigational tool, linking the articles of the subject's adjacent settlements, it's not meant to be a detailed map. I have added this template to 1000s of articles because I want to be able to navigate to adjacent places in a specific direction. Yes, prose can do this too (to a point), but the template simplifies and facilitates this in the same way that we use other navigational templates. -- P 1 9 9   13:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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