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Jan D. Winitz

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The article falls under WP:BLP and has the following issues:

  • WP:N Jan D. Winitz is an antique oriental rug collecter and dealer who is not widely known outside of San Francisco Bay Area art collector/antique oriental rug connoisseurship circles.
  • WP:V The references given for this article include:
    • A write-up on Robb Report (a web-zine featuring directional content from luxury products providers);
    • A piece in Gentry Home (a home-decorating magazine);
    • A piece covering antique oriental rug collecting, shown in the Chubb Collectors Newsletter, featured on CHUBB's website (an insurance broker);
    • An editorial in the San Francisco Chronicle.
  • Not featured as a reference in the article, but found during this discussion:
    • A press release circulated by the Wall Street Journal
  • WP:NOT Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements.
  • WP:NPOV One of the article's main contributors appears to have a close connection with its subject.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  22:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete As nominator.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  00:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete I can add little to what was said in the nomination. Basically a total failure to have coverage outside of very promotional sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment He had a feature in the Wall Street Journal, found here and was covered in local San Fran media in the 1980s at least once ([1]). I think at least the former should be considered in this discussion. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
    • An article in the Wall Street Journal is not always clearcut journalism, as this piece from the WSJ's competitor Forbes explains. The piece in the WSJ may have originated from Tobin & Associates, a PR firm. Coincidentally enough, one of the principals at Tobin & Associates began their career at the San Francisco Chronicle. Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  00:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

John C. Hench Division of Animation and Digital Arts

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Sub-division of USC School of Cinematic Arts. I redirected but was reverted by an IP citing OTHERSTUFF, so taking it here. This is an academic division within a larger school within a university. The information is best contained within the school itself. Suggest redirect and merge from history. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Redirect. The current text is WP:PROMO, even including a lengthy quote direct from the USC web site, and the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument won't fly, so I agree with Tony's original decision to redirect. The USC School of Cinematic Arts article is currently an ugly collection of lists, so including a section on this division would improve that article, but I won't suggest a merge due to the complete lack of creativity and objectivity. Jack N. Stock (talk) 22:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Redirect to USC School of Cinematic Arts. University schools and departments don't always qualify for standalone articles, let alone divisions of those schools and departments, and this one doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Media Arts and Practice and USC Interactive Media & Games Division are both divisions of this university school. On top of maintaining consistency, it seems arguable to call the text WP:PROMO. As for the WP:GNG problem, removing John C. Hench from the name (given that there is only one known so-called "Division of Animation and Digital Arts," which is true) will yield different search results. 68.181.206.43 (talk) 23:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
    • You might read WP:CoI. Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
      • Go ahead and redirect it. (Though the inconsistency between the presence of a page for each subdivision of the parent school does bug me a little.) I firmly believe the page should be kept, but clearly it's not a popular opinion. 68.181.206.43 (talk) 23:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete sub-units of sub-units of universities are very rarely notable on their own. Anything of note can be included in the article on the sub-unit of the University of Southern California it is a part of.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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John C. Hench Division of Animation and Digital Arts

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Sub-division of USC School of Cinematic Arts. I redirected but was reverted by an IP citing OTHERSTUFF, so taking it here. This is an academic division within a larger school within a university. The information is best contained within the school itself. Suggest redirect and merge from history. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Redirect. The current text is WP:PROMO, even including a lengthy quote direct from the USC web site, and the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument won't fly, so I agree with Tony's original decision to redirect. The USC School of Cinematic Arts article is currently an ugly collection of lists, so including a section on this division would improve that article, but I won't suggest a merge due to the complete lack of creativity and objectivity. Jack N. Stock (talk) 22:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Redirect to USC School of Cinematic Arts. University schools and departments don't always qualify for standalone articles, let alone divisions of those schools and departments, and this one doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Media Arts and Practice and USC Interactive Media & Games Division are both divisions of this university school. On top of maintaining consistency, it seems arguable to call the text WP:PROMO. As for the WP:GNG problem, removing John C. Hench from the name (given that there is only one known so-called "Division of Animation and Digital Arts," which is true) will yield different search results. 68.181.206.43 (talk) 23:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
    • You might read WP:CoI. Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
      • Go ahead and redirect it. (Though the inconsistency between the presence of a page for each subdivision of the parent school does bug me a little.) I firmly believe the page should be kept, but clearly it's not a popular opinion. 68.181.206.43 (talk) 23:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete sub-units of sub-units of universities are very rarely notable on their own. Anything of note can be included in the article on the sub-unit of the University of Southern California it is a part of.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Ripple pictures

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I can find no evidence that this term is widely (or even occasionally) used in English to describe this type of image. Just translating a German word into English doesn't make it "a thing". In contrast, the term "ripple image" is used in a number of other contexts including graphical and scientific representations. Lithopsian (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep: now moved to "Turning picture", a term found in literature about this type of image (see source links in article). Although the terminology is somewhat unclear and not very common, the actual technique it describes has been quite common for some centuries. Redirecting to Lenticular printing#Ripple pictures and expanding that section would clutter up the Lenticular printing article, while it is only a predecessor of that subject and not a form of lenticular printing. I hope to find more relevant content from useful sources soon. Possibly better terminology can be found. Joortje1
Comment: I've carried out a Google Book search and a Google Scholar search for "turning pictures": the only relevant results all trace back to an essay by Alan Shuckman in the Art Bulletin. While this publication appears to be a wholly reputable source, I'm still not convinced that a single is essay enough to prove that the phrase passes GNG criteria. I'm open to persuasion, though, so I've changed my !vote to reflect this. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 14:07, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Merge: While I think I can see where the original editor is coming from, I don't agree (as it says in the article) that Anamorphosis is an imprecise term for the thing on the 1-pound coin (just to use the most familiar example in the article). Rather, I think the thing on the coin is one type of anamorphosis, in its sense as a general term for perspective-based optical illusions. The turning pictures described in Shickman's article are elsewhere called “channel anamorphosis," after the appearance of the image slices in ridges or channels. 1 2 With that said, the Wikipedia anamorphosis article is very scattered. It looks like it started as an article about anamorphosis in European painting and gradually turned into a grab bag of 2-dimensional, 3-dimensional and lens-based perspective illusions, without a thesis that pulls them together. I'm not confident that adding Ripple pictures to that article will immediately strengthen an understanding of either anamorphosis or turning/ripple pictures. But I do think putting it there will get it to the right place for when someone tries to clean up the anamorphosis article. KR26740 (talk) 17:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep: I agree that this can be regarded as a type of anamorphosis, although it arguably is slightly different in that it conceals more images and these images are not really distorted in the way that other types of anamorphosis are - it is more like they are scattered and reassembled when viewed from the correct angle. "Channel anamorphosis" would be a more precise term, but also seems very uncommon. I found the term "tabula scalata" which seems to be much more common, and moved the article again. I also put a few lines about it in the Anamorphosis article, but don't believe merging would work. I'll check more sources now I've found the right term and I intend to keep expanding and editing the article.Joortje1 (talk)
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Gosaku Ota

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Non-notable anime designer. Only notable lead work is Groizer X, otherwise just another robot anime supporting/episodic artist. Recommend redirect to Groizer X. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Comment - Just to provide some information: it seems both the article and the nominator might not be best characterizing the artist's work. He is less a designer than a manga artist with a number of works under his name. According to the Japanese Wikipedia, his most representative work is Tsuribaka taishō ja:釣りバカ大将, which ran in CoroCoro Comic to a total of ten volumes (a sequel ran for 5 volumes--both are now available at Comic Park [2]). He is thus known for his original fishing manga. Otherwise, he is known for his manga versions of famous anime (searches of his name in Japanese produce quite a number of blog articles on his manga on Mazinger Z: [3], [4], [5], [6]; or on Getter Robot: [7], [8], etc.). I am not sure this is enough to save the article, but I wanted to make sure there is no misrepresentation. Michitaro (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Are you saying he's better known as a manga artist of manga adaptations of anime series? Why isn't that in the article? The way it is stated now he appears to be a minor anime character designer. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:48, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Never having heard of this guy before, I can't say why the article was written the way it was. I just checked on the Japanese Wikipedia page and then did independent searches and reported the results here. He seems to have both produced his own original manga (especially about fishing, one of which seems to have been reasonably successful) as well as did manga adaptations of successful anime.Michitaro (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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Unfortunately the articles on Japanese and French Wikipedia have hardly any references as well (JA Wikipedia only shows 1) so it would have a hard time passing WP:GNG. The independent searches sound promising. As with others, if you'd like to move this over to Draft and work on it so that it can pass notability, then that could work. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
I have not been able to find much in the way of RS on the net, though I am less familiar with where to look for them in the case of manga (though I know they are just not as available compared to those for other media). But I do know a couple of good printed reference books for manga artists (basically biographical dictionaries), so I can check those to see if he appears in those. Michitaro (talk) 12:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Ian Porter (commercial artist)

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Non-notable artist. Part of a series of spam articles by Castlemate (talk · contribs) whose primary work is to flood WP with articles on people from Newington College such as local council members such as Aubrey Murphy (mayor), members of social clubs such as Deuchar Gordon, and generic public servants such as Warwick Cathro.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Adsfvdf54gbb (talkcontribs)

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  • Weak delete I cannot find anything to support notability. Aoziwe (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Changing my opinion to weak upon review of museum material. Aoziwe (talk) 10:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep. The Powerhouse Museum holds his archive and states "The strength of the collection lies in the comprehensive selection of posters, original artwork and other material for the Hardie Rubber Company Ltd and (a smaller selection) for Rega, and in Porter's representative 1930s graphic style. Although Porter was not amongst the most innovative or cutting-edge of his generation; he appears not to have travelled overseas for experience or training and he never broke away from a conventional and fairly static approach to graphic design, he is interesting as his work expressed the basic design tenets of its day." Castlemate (talk) 22:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
    • so basically it is saying that he didn't make any new technical or artistic advances, but just did what a routine skilled worker would do. Not notable Adsfvdf54gbb (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. There is a potential claim to notability, but that entire section is completely unsourced as opposed to the trivia about his high school, and Google doesn't bear out any other sources. The Drover's Wife (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment. Dead links can be repaired but in the meantime this might help: Ian Porter commercial art archive Castlemate (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep: Notability is conferred by his archives being held by a significant museum. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
    • The entry says the archive consists of him making advertising posters for a company. There is no explanation of why any of these are notable contributions. Adsfvdf54gbb (talk) 21:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
      • "Entry"? As for "explanation of why any of these are notable contributions", "Notability is conferred by his archives being held by a significant museum". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Request. As Porter is not an academic or educator could someone please move this vexatious AfD to an edition sorting cat that is more appropriate than Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators. As the nominators many attacks this month on my bios are now being "speedied" into history I'm sure this notable Australian will go the same way if viewed by appropriate editors. Castlemate (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete appears non-notable, and a search for supporting references confirms that thought. The strongest item here is the personal papers in an archive. I don't lend that much credence; were there numerous published mentions and refs, the archive would look good. Without it, we have just a guy whose papers are in an archive. An archivit's choice to include items in their collection is not the same as a curator's choice to include artworks in a museum's permanent collection.104.163.154.101 (talk) 00:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • The items from the archives source mentioned above, in point form:
- "Original [gouche] artwork (1) for 'Hardie Garden Hose signed 'Porter' in lower left corner"
- "Letterhead (1), 'Hardie Rubber Company Limited/​ Tyre Department"
- " Catalogues (3) including one for rubber footwear range for 1933-34, printed both sides and folds out to poster format;"
- "Price lists (2) for footwear and rubber footwear;"
- "Pamphlets (4) for tennis shoes, raincoats and tyres and tubes, n.d.;"
- "Leaflet (1) for Rabbit Poison 'Rabbo-Phos' stocked by James Hardie Trading Coy Ltd, n.d.;"
- "Posters (5), small, for tennis, bowls and leather casual shoes, garden hoses, kiddies shoes;"
- "Posters (14), large, two for 'Hardie Garden Hose', one with two kookaburras catching a hose (rather than a worm) which adopts imagery first used by May Gibbs in the 1920s, the second depicts a glamorous woman using a Hardie hose in a garden setting, annotated with 'Brings beauty to the Garden', c. 1939; remaining 12 are for 'Hardie North British Rubber Footwear' and are catalogue-type displays for seamless backed sportshoes, date range 1934-39"
- "Another small collection of leaflets (9) relate to Rega Products Ltd - possibly based in Marrickville, NSW between the years 1943-8, when Porter was doing this work."
- "'Oil Can Catalogue', 'Oil fillers and syringes', 'Bucket Spray Pumps', Agricultural Catalogue', 'Engineers' oil cans', 'Valve connectors', 'Motor trade catalogue', Pneumatic sprayer' and 'Valves and cocks', none are dated.
- "A miscellaneous (gouache) artwork for the magazine 'The World. Your Story Must be Told. Use the World', n.d., may relate to the first Rega leaflet listed above as the image but not the lettering is reproduced." 104.163.154.101 (talk) 00:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
And to top that off, the entry for the archives above actually discusses his notability, saying he's very average: "Although Porter was not amongst the most innovative or cutting-edge of his generation; he appears not to have travelled overseas for experience or training and he never broke away from a conventional and fairly static approach to graphic design, he is interesting as his work expressed the basic design tenets of its day."104.163.154.101 (talk) 00:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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Rafael Simoes Miranda

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This article has no functional linked sources and does not seem like a noteworthy entry. This is my first time putting up an article for deletion, so let me know how I could have done this better Dheltha (talk) 00:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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  • Weak keep There are indeed sources, they just are not inline. A quick search turns up some limited sources. Lack of inline sources in the current version of the article is not a reason for deletion.198.58.171.47 (talk) 06:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete fails GNG and lacks sources.--Rusf10 (talk) 19:34, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Movie theaters and handpainted movie posters

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Non notable conjecture. It is not even easy to understand what this article is really about and when you do, the content is mixture of stories, books oassagess and analyses –Ammarpad (talk) 19:25, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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  • Comment. The current version of the article is cryptic and problematic, but its subject—Ghanaian movie posters—is an art genre that has received substantial attention. In addition to the sources noted in the article, see e.g. "How Ghana's Gory, Gaudy Movie Posters Became High Art", The Atlantic, February 4, 2016; "Hollywood reimagined: Ghana's weird and wonderful movie posters", CNN, April 28, 2014; museum exhibits from the Bowers Museum (2017) [9], New Britain Museum of American Art (2017) [10], Mass MOCA (2003) [11]; Fowler Museum (2001) [12], and more. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep. The sources in the article would appear sufficient. Since they are mostly printed, we normally AGF with respect to them unless shown otherwise. the main thing that needs to be done is to change the title, I suggest to 'Hand-painted movie posters in Ghana. If the osurces hold up , this is not in any sense an aessay or OR., andthe sources would seem to show notability . DGG ( talk ) 22:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Passes all notability criteria. Significant coverage by a book, another book, a CNN report, an Atlantic report... and so on. Aditya(talkcontribs) 18:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
    • I have reviewed your sources both CNN and Atlantic are talking about Ghanaian Cinema in general for which movie poster is subset. Being written about in CNN doesn't mean automatic standalone page, especially when the parent page Cinema of Ghana is in need of content and sourcing attention. So at least I agree merging is better than deletion but not standalone page which will later linger with tags for years because it is subsatantially base on 2 reports. And note that, they no longer now paint the posters, it was just CNN report that resuscitate discussion of the art which flourished between 1970's to late 1980s. –Ammarpad (talk) 04:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC) –Modified 09:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Cinema of Ghana and/or Film poster. I don't think this topic is sufficiently notable as to require a standalone article. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Merge to Cinema of Ghana where it can occupy a section about the handpainted posters.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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Hindaun Fort

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Non-notable ruin which might be a palace or a fort. Material is covered also at Hindaun, so WP:FORK applies. Article is not only uncited, but by my search, it's unciteable as there are basically no suitable sources to demonstrate notability. Redirect and PROD were removed by author, so here we are. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:17, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep per WP:GEOFEAT. Clearly an historic building which would undoubtedly be heritage listed if it was in a Western country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, there are actually multiple references to Hindaun Fort in a number of books including Administrative System of the Rajputs (1979), The Second Anglo-Maratha War, 1802-1805: a Study in Military History (1990), New History of the Marathas: Sunset over Maharashtra (1772-1848) (1968), and Rajasthan [district Gazetteers].: Sawai Madhopur (1981) to name a few. Dan arndt (talk) 14:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Guys, many thanks for the books, do you have actual quotations, page numbers or URLs to provide verifiable citations? Simply repeating "GEOFEAT" does not help much as the policy rightly says

Many artificial geographical features may be mentioned in plenty of reliable sources, but they may not necessarily be notable. The inclusion of a man-made geographical feature on maps or in directories is insufficient to establish topic notability

Therefore, what we require here (as in many places) is actual evidence of notability. The district Gazetteer is certainly a "directory" in the terms of WP:GEOFEAT and is therefore not evidence of notability. The other books could possibly be suitable but we require evidence of substantial entries (per WP:GNG as well as WP:GEOFEAT) to do this correctly. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:15, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Bacoor - Las Piñas Boundary Bridge

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Non-notable bridge. I live in Las Piñas and I cannot find any reliable source that can attest to the notability of this bridge. Any material can be incorporated into the parent article on the road, Daang Hari Road. —seav (talk) 12:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • delete just a bridge with no claim to notability. Mangoe (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Gustarvus Lightbourne Sports Complex

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Whether we view this complex as a building or as an organization, I don't see the notability guidelines being met, nor do I see them being met under the general guidelines. The place definitely exists. It has own Facebook page and does receive mention in the Turks and Caicos press. But those mentions are merely in passing -- that the place is being used as a hurricane shelter, or as a site for voter registration, or the meeting point for a march. I found nothing of substance about the place itself. The article can't be converted into a redirect to the person it is named after, because that person doesn't have an article here. Conceivably, it might be made into a redirect to Providenciales (specifically, the section on tourist attractions). But even that is problematic. Not only does the Providenciales article not mention the place, it isn't even mentioned on the tourist site linked in that article (which can be seen at http://visittci.azurewebsites.net/providenciales/things-to-do/attractions ]. In all, deletion is the best option here. NewYorkActuary (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • In favour of deletion for the article is to brief and stubby; no notability or significance displayed. Ernestchuajiasheng (talk) 04:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

LeBron James Arena

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the only notable thing about this facility is its benefactor, which means this fails WP:1E and the coverage in detail seems to be all related to the fact that LeBron put up the dough. There seems to be some question as to whether the presence of minor league professional sports teams at the facility somehow elevates it to notability; I do not believe it does. I would not in any way oppose a redirect to the school, where most of the needed coverage of this facility seems to already be in place. John from Idegon (talk) 21:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep I disagree. The tenants (specifically the Cardinals) are also notable, given as the NAPB is supposed to be a more prestigious league. Besides, it is home to two pro basketball teams. I might also add that WP:1E refers to people, not places. --Sparkyb10123 (talk) 21:51, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment WP:1E applies to people, and this is not a person; @John from Idegon:, do you have an alternative rationale? - The Bushranger One ping only 22:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll withdraw this, as it seems you are both saying that the presence of a minor league basketball team elevates this facility to notability. Query For The Bushranger and Sparkyb10123: If not for the connection to the basketball teams, would you consider this a notable place; and if not what rationale would you use? Also, feel free to close this. I will if I have time (@ work) John from Idegon (talk) 22:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
    • *wobbles hand* I'm not sure it's notable, per se, just that WP:1E shouldn't be used for subjects that are not people. This may be something best WP:BOLDly merged into the school article. - The Bushranger One ping only
  • Comment - I've struck my withdrawal and amended my rationale. Let's just let this run. John from Idegon (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep I do believe that professional sports elevates it to notability. For example, most minor league baseball stadiums wouldn't be notable without their teams, because otherwise they don't play host to anything notable. I do not believe a redirect would be sufficient, because it would not be detailed enough about it in the context of said teams (and LeBron's donation) without taking up a significant portion of the article. So at that point there might as well be a separate article. --Sparkyb10123 (talk) 23:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Hey Sparky, you only get to vote once. Please strike one Keep. And while I am here, what is it you are basing your belief in? Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Sorry about that. I guess what I am trying to say is that a two professional sports teams use this place, and it is the only pro sports arena in Akron, so I think it warrants it's own article --Sparkyb10123 (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
    • So I'm going to take that to mean you know of no guideline that indicates the use of an arena by a minor league franchise is indicative of notability. Here's my problem with that: Coverage of minor league sports is generally strictly local in nature. That meager coverage will generally not include any discussion of the venue other than name checks. The fact that this facility was built at by and primarily for a private institution by nature limits the coverage it has received. A public facility will garner ongoing coverage of its construction, funding and the various political issues that go along with it. This facility is not very large (my alma mater in Indiana has a much larger gym and it isn't even a big basketball school), it isn't architeurally significant. Perhaps I'm wrong but I haven't found much on it beyond its connection with LeBron. And IMO, that's much more about LeBron than this building. John from Idegon (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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Celebration Arena

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No evidence of notability. Another run-of-the-mill event venue. Bneu2013 (talk) 09:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Multiple sources describe this building's former state-wide significance as the home of indoor high school track in Alabama, and its continuing significance as a horse arena, notably as the site of the Racking Horse World Celebration. I added a couple of references; more are apparent in the usual searches.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep has social importance, and coverage such as [13] [14]. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:14, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: one of those sources is a blog, and the only others appear to be local- exactly what you would expect for any small facility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bneu2013 (talkcontribs) 23:19, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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International Federation of Interior Architects/Designers

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Fails WP:ORG. Still could not find independent reliable sources establishing notability. Last AfD was closed as no consensus. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:42, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep And I will reiterate my vote from the previous discussion. In my opinion the organisation passes WP:GNG. There is plenty of coverage, but often only the abbreviation IFI is mentioned. Danmuz (talk) 09:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, and I hope the same nominator doesn't continue to renominate it every 6-7 weeks. Organisation of international scope that has been active for over 50 years. Multiple reliable independent sources already found (despite most coverage likely to be pre-internet) and used in the article. Sionk (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. I see no evidence that it is the predominant organization in the field. DGG ( talk ) 03:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Question: Which organisation is then? Sam Sailor 09:36, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep. Judging from the sources – I have added between 15 and 20 secondary sources, most of them book citations – the organisation more than meets GNG/NORG. IFI is the singular international federating body for organisations in its field, interior architecture / interior design, having among their member organisations ~30 national associationsLink including e.g. American Society of Interior Designers. We usually wait at least two months before renominating a "no consensus" close, cf. WP:RENOM. Sam Sailor 15:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


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