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Patrick Stull

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Artist with insufficient representations in collections. Legacypac (talk) 09:33, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Sources are inadequate to establish notability. Very little coverage availbale that is in depth and independent. Much of the article lacks sources. Looks like a promo piece.198.58.170.90 (talk) 05:08, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Per nomination. He isn't notable yet; maybe some time in the future if his work to come gets adequate attention. ——Chalk19 (talk) 17:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Vasilis Zenetzis

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BLPNOTE. Sources found on Zenetzis' work as a painter are mostly listings from auctions ——Chalk19 (talk) 19:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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The Other's Gaze: Spaces of Difference

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this article is about a temporary exhibition that is seems only to exist to promote the exhibiton. fails WP:NOTPROMOTION WP:GNG This reads like a brochure for the exhibition. Domdeparis (talk) 13:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Weak Delete I cannot find critical discussion of the exhibit in sources . There are a number of false positives and discussions of the individual pieces, but not the exhibit as a whole. Without that, I don't think this is a notable exhibit StarM 00:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete The page is promotonal. Self-sourced by links to the museum itself. Lack of widely available refs from reliable sources. 198.58.170.90 (talk) 04:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Baek Su Rin

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Non-notable writer which fails WP:AUTHOR. Α Guy into Books § (Message) -  10:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Joan O'Hagan

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I have had a good look at the sources and searched the web and can only find local interest stories about this author. She fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. Domdeparis (talk) 12:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I emphatically oppose the deletion of this article, which would be outrageous, callous, mean-spirited, and deeply disrespectful to this author of five books, who finished the last book, which was praised in a literary journal, on her death bed. That she fails WP:NAUTHOR is absurd: those who take the time to read the two cited journalistic articles--"local interest" only in that they were appropriately published in the country of her death--learn that she satisfies both "1." (regarded as an important figure by both a theologian and notable classics professor) and "2." (originated a new concept in her treatment of St. Jerome, seen through a new literary prism). She was not only a writer but also a scholar (with a rare-in-these-times classical background), with her last book having a forward by a Classics professor. Matthew David González 13:49, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

And I object emphatically to being called callous mean-spirited and disrespectful. Try and calm your self-righteous anger which does not have its place her and read this as well WP:NPA because making accusations about my personal behaviour without proof is a personal attack. Wikipedia is not a place to pay hommage to people but an encyclopedia. Please read WP:NOTMEMORIAL. There is nothing callous mean-spirited or disrespectful in saying that someone is not notable enough to have a page on wikipedia. The problem is that this page has been created by someone who's username is the same as her daughter's and I would imagine that if someone told me after the death of my mother that she is not a notable author I would be upset hence your comment I imagine. But this is one of the reasons why conflict of interest editing is so strongly discouraged. I do not know this woman I have never heard of her and have never read her books but I am a new pages reviewer and I have the thankless task of sifting through articles and trying to analyse their noteworthiness by judging the sources and searching for more. Your arguments for notability do not hold water I'm afraid. The article in the telegraph says at the top "News, local, North shore times" and it is a moving human interest story but it doesn't help to prove she meets the criteria. You have cherry-picked the criteria that say 1: The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. This requires proof that she is widely cited. 2.The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique. This requires sources that explain how her book is considered as a significant new concept and not just your personal opinion. Having a forward foreword written by a classics professor is not a proof of notability but proof that a classics professor was willing to write a forward foreword. And I would also like to point out that some of her books (notably the last) are published by an independent publishing company [1] run by none other than her daughter and having as proof reader the famous classics professor of whom you speak so highly. This article looks very much like an attempt at promotion for gain from the subject's close acquaintances. Domdeparis (talk) 15:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: obviously the COI is a real issue, as is the somewhat sparse library holdings...but three of her books appear to have been published by Doubleday, whatever it might be calling itself. Me, I suspect labeling this as COI and trimming it might make better sense than nuking it, for now. Dunno. Anmccaff (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Just having had 3 books published by a reputable publishing house is not sufficient to pass WP:NAUTHOR, if the books had been well received then there should be sources out there that proves she meets WP:GNG. I could find none. Domdeparis (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I don't have a dog in this fight. I removed the PROD based on THIS ARTICLE, which absolutely counts one towards GNG and makes this the sort of deletion nomination that needs AfD discussion rather than being shunted off to the dark alleyway of PROD to be silently killed... Carrite (talk) 16:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Not quite sure what that means but it sounds very soothing! Enjoy!! Domdeparis (talk) 12:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Her book Death and a Madonna seems to have been published by legitimate publishers in Australia (Sun), the UK (Macmillan) and the US (Doubleday) according to this, and there's a review of it in the Canberra Times here. And I only looked for 30 seconds, presumably there's more out there (perhaps not on the internet too).Boneymau (talk) 22:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment Might wanna pass that page on to any Eric Bogle fans you know, too; look just below the article on the left. On a more serious note, though, Trove has to be watched carefully - not because it's bad, but because it's too damned good. It drags up stuff from surprisingly obscure little papers, and can thus get a multiplier effect with wire service stuff, magnifying notability. That said, I wish there was a decent equivalent here and in Canada, and that the Brit version were free.... Anmccaff (talk) 23:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't disagree about Trove (at least for content before the mid-1950s which is out of copyright), but just for the record the Canberra Times is not an obscure little paper. My vote is more of a Weak keep too.Boneymau (talk) 00:11, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
My apologies; I didn't meant to imply that; just a general comment on Trove. Anmccaff (talk) 00:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, based on the Canberra Times review. We're known by the company we keep, and she's in there Wambaugh, Gillian Linscott. and Louis L'Amour. Yeah, a local, but that's only mentioned in passing; the reviewer obviously sees them all as of a type in certain ways. It's gonna need a lot of cleanup, obviously. Anmccaff (talk) 02:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi the Canberra times article is a very short review of a book she wrote and not in depth coverage of her as a person. So the source can't be counted towards either her as a person as per GNG and would not meet the criteria as a source for one of her books. For me this does not means she meets the criteria. And again being a published author does not give her an automatic pass on GNG especially just for 3 books (the others are self published). Please do not forget that notability is not inherited so the company that you keep doesn't make you notable. Domdeparis (talk) 05:32, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
No, the company you keep doesn't make you notable, but the company others keep you in does. The review obviously suggests that, to a contemporaneous Canberran, she was seen as similar to the other authors, with no explanations needed any more than for Wambaugh.
Now I have deep personal disagreement with Wiki's conceit that notability is eternal, but she seems to have been notable then and there. Anmccaff (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
She passes WP:AUTHOR if she has created works that have been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. The Canberra Times review, albeit short, is one. If you look up Google Books, there's mention of her and her works in various sources that sound credible like Cambridge Guide to Cicero (2013) and Twentieth-century Crime and Mystery Writers (1991). These are minor mentions but it adds up. Boneymau (talk) 05:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
From what I can gather Twentieth-century Crime and Mystery Writers is a Macmillan publication (her publisher) and lists over 600 writers. That might not be enough. Domdeparis (talk) 06:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment, here are some reviews/awards for Jerome and his Women - "Rosie Award shortlist announced" - on the shortlist of the Institute of Professional Editors Rosanne Fitzgibbon Editorial Award, New South Wales Writers' Centre: "Book Review: Jerome and His Women by Joan O’Hagan" - "That’s the twin gift of Jerome and His Women: it is an insight into extraordinary times and people, and into a talented researcher and writer.", Historical Novel Society: "Jerome & His Women" - "The Vulgate of Jerome was one of the most pivotal and important religious documents in the history of Christianity, and O’Hagan gives her readers a fascinating look at the man behind that controversial masterpiece.", Literature & Aesthetics: "Book Reviews" - "Jerome & His Women is a meticulously researched and well informed novel that re-creates—in vivid detail—a crucial period in the history of Western Christianity, and the men and women who shaped it.", The Swag: "Book and Film Reviews: A woman's view of St Jerome" (require subsciption), 2016 Paris Book Festival: Honorable mention and on Table of Honor, 2016 New York Book Festival: "2016 New York Book Festival Winners - Spiritual/Religious: Honorable Mention", with this much it meets WP:NBOOK for a seperate article; with her book A Roman Death: Kirkus Reviews: "A Roman Death (star review)" - "Despite its slow start, sporadically pedantic air, and rather feeble mystery, this is an absorbing story, with fully drawn characters, a fascinating place and period, all given vibrant life in the author's best work so far.", Classical World: "Fictional Rome: Historical Novels in the Classroom" - "Two groups of novels, with some overlap, demand special notice: .. (2) the murder mysteries centered on Cicero court cases (real or fabricated) of Saylor, O' Hagan, and the Wagners. .. If you move on then to read O'Hagan's A Roman Death, you can examine the truth behind Cicero's defense of Helvia on a charge of poisoning ..", Kirkus also reviewed Death and a Madonna - "Few surprises, little drama, and no strongly appealing people amid the large cast--but the posh expatriate scene is sketched with tart edge, and the art-world/art-history textures add a bit of richness to this light, mildly ironic diversion.", and Against the Grain - "The overpopulated plot, full of sometimes hackneyed twists and turns, is unconvincing, but a likable, unheroic Duquesne, the clearly written scientific lore, and a colorful Australian scene make this a worthwhile diversion.", plus Library Journal - "A low-key, lightweight procedural with rural flavor, picturesque characters, and narrative wit.". Coolabahapple (talk) 14:26, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Patrick Stull

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Artist with insufficient representations in collections. Legacypac (talk) 09:33, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Sources are inadequate to establish notability. Very little coverage availbale that is in depth and independent. Much of the article lacks sources. Looks like a promo piece.198.58.170.90 (talk) 05:08, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Per nomination. He isn't notable yet; maybe some time in the future if his work to come gets adequate attention. ——Chalk19 (talk) 17:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Kezia Noble

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Article about a blogger / occasional soundbite about how to increase men's chances of dating women successfully. The article was created by a sock (but before the sockmaster was blocked, so not eligible for WP:CSD#G5) and originally declined at AfC by SwisterTwister and Alpha Monarch [2], before having the AfC template scrubbed and being moved into mainspace. A search for sources brings up either tabloid journalism, or things she's written - but as far as mainstream broadsheet coverage goes, not a sausage. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete Delete WP:GNG does not meet WP:BIO or meet WP:CS--EC Racing (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep This personality is meets notability requirements. Said person is clearly notable on YouTube as well as other areas.--INDIAN REVERTER (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete per nom. Nothing more than a thinly-veiled advertisement. Oh, and being "notable on YouTube" doesn't mean anything. sixtynine • speak up • 22:18, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Seems to be PROMO for this person's business. Article created by now-blocked SPA that was briefly active in 2015. Article doesn't seem much different than the one deleted in 1st AfD in 2010. Agricola44 (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2017 (UTC).

Andrew Heywood

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Fail to see how this person meets WP:AUTHOR and, more importantly, WP:GNG. The only source is credited to his own website. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

  • You sure? I mean WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP and even a quick gNews search [3], google [4] or JSTOR search [5] indicates that notability is probable. Looks to me like someone just needs to make time to source it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:18, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I won't argue for or against deletion, but I did find where he's mentioned here and here in academic texts. I know that Google Scholar hits can be wonky, but there do seem to be quite a few people citing his work. ([6]) That said, it's debatable whether or not this is just a sign that he could be used as a reliable source or if he would pass WP:NPROF. (On a side note, NPROF is something that's very different from NAUTHOR or other notability guidelines so in all fairness it's a little harder to find sourcing unless you have access to academic databases.) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete does not meet WP:AUTHOR fails WP:GNG. --EC Racing (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete does not meet notability guidelines for writers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Heywood's best-known book in its 6th Edition, has massive circulation, appears on university politics course reading lists.
  • WP:HEY, I did a little sourcing. London Times describes his textbooks as best-sellers; certainly several of them have gone through multiple editions over many years. I can also see that his textbooks are widely cited in other textbooks, news articles, and academic articles. I do think that someone needs to take a closer look at this one, despite the fact that a writer of bestselling textbooks is not quite WP:PROF, nor is he the usual WP:AUTHOR. Note that at least two of his textbooks were reviewed in the Times.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Sam Dylan Finch

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WP:BLP of a blogger, which is referenced entirely to his own primary source content with no evidence of any reliable source coverage about him provided at all. As always, every person who exists is not automatically entitled to have a Wikipedia article just because directories of his own work exist on the websites of the publications he wrote for -- to qualify for an article, a person needs to be the subject of media coverage written by other people, not the bylined author of coverage of other things. Bearcat (talk) 17:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. I've found no evidence of significant, independent coverage per WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Notability is not inherited by contributing to notable publications. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:38, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. He has press coverage with Anxy Magazine (https://medium.com/anxy-magazine/who-gets-to-decide-what-conversations-have-value-ff93c9fa3509) and the Michigal Journal (http://michiganjournal.org/2015/10/27/writing-program-hosts-panel-discussion-to-celebrate-national-day-on-writing/). He is also mentioned on Jes Baker's page because he contributed to her anthology of essays. --decorcione! (talk) 21:13, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Neither of those are notability-assisting sources. Anxy is a Q&A interview in which he's talking about himself, and Michigan Journal is a university student newspaper — which are types of sources that can be used for supplementary sourcing of stray facts after GNG has already been covered off by general market media coverage that's written in the third person, but not sources that can be used to bring the passage of GNG. And a person doesn't get a Wikipedia article just because his name is mentioned in another Wikipedia article about someone else, either. Bearcat (talk) 03:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Dave Andrews (activist)

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A host of issues. This bio is a Christian activist and speaker, but for purposes of disambiguation, perhaps a writer foremost. The article is currently sourced entirely to primary (affiliated) sources, such as self-supplied author bios to websites/conferences (the patently unreliable sections have already been removed). There does not appear to be significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) with which to write an article that does justice to the topic. Of his many books, reliable reviews are not forthcoming, and his activism work does not appear to have been profiled in reliable sources. Andrews has appeared as a guest on multiple broadcasts, but for topical interest and not with sustained interest in his life/career. There are no suitable redirect targets. czar 18:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep, available sourcing meets WP:GNG. User talk:Czar, I started my evaluation by looking at the edit record and saw your diligent removal of a mass of unreliably-sourced material; while I didn't take a close look at your edit, I admire any editor willing to do the heavy-lifting of deleting a mass of badly-sourced material from a long-standing WP:BIO. My next step was to run a quick gNews search. Obviously he has a hopelessly common name, so I searched "Dave Andrews" + Christian and all this came up [7]. Right on the first page of the search there's a Q & A in the Sydney Morning Herald, "Lunch with Dave Andrews" Jihad for Jesus," [8]. Since he has been an activist for 40 years, my next step was a proquest archives search, also on "Dave Andrews" + Christian. 245 results, which is a lot for an activist, minor writer, and Right on the first page there were "Queensland Christian leader calls for end to Muslim hate; A Queensland Christian leader is encouraging the public to say G'day to Muslims and to accept their faith as a sign of solidarity.", ABC, [9] - a detailed article about his work; and "Across a Violent Divide", in The Australian, a long profile and analysis of Andrews' 2015 book "The Jihad Of Jesus - The Sacred Nonviolent Struggle For Justice" [10]. So I searched gNews for "The Jihad Of Jesus - The Sacred Nonviolent Struggle For Justice", and got, well, not a lot of hits, but some, [11]. Summing up, he's hardly in a league with Dorothy Day, but there does seem to be quite a lot of coverage. Maybe just tag it for improvement and keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
I did Google News searches too, but beyond that SMH and possibly ABC, it's all local news or cursory treatments: [12][13] and at the very least not significant coverage. My PQ access is down and I don't know when it'll be back up. @E.M.Gregory, would you please Nuvola apps email.svg email me those ProQuest texts? czar 21:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Here's the ABC piece [14]; and from The Australian: [15].E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I just tried a different keyword on Proquest (to make sure I really was seeing enough, given that you also tried and didn't find), this time I used "Dave Andrews" + India + Australia, places the articles I mentioned above said that he has worked. Up came: Evening Post More than a neighborly nod, PENNINGTON, Phil. Evening Post; Wellington, New Zealand [Wellington, New Zealand]06 Aug 1996: 5. [16], a profile describing him as "one of Australia's foremost practitioners of community development, but passionate. ". Faiths share goal of understanding, Passmore, Daryl. The Sunday Mail; Brisbane, Qld. [Brisbane, Qld]20 Apr 2008: 38. [17], an article about how Andrews helped an Afghan family immigrate to Australia and settle in. He's described as "a radical Christian leader... A community worker whose emphasis on practical spirituality over organised religion has often put him at odds with the church, Mr Andrews lives and works among some of Brisbane's most marginalised people in the inner-city suburb of West End -- indigenous people, drug-users, ex-prisoners and those with mental illness -- attempting to live, rather than merely preach, Jesus's teachings." The article has more on him. And there seem to be more , similar articles. Looks like he's been getting this kind of feature coverage for years, but you have to get lucky with the keywords your type in.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Going on your word, that's probably enough to write an article, but would you please share the full text with me so I can take a look (perhaps Nuvola apps email.svg by email or temporary dropbox)? czar 17:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC) @E.M.Gregory, ping czar 14:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Note that article can be expanded with info found at a gBooks search on "Dave andrews" + "christian anarchist", here: [18]. Page should probably be moved to Dave Andrews (activist) because he is far better known for his social activism, than for his books.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Agreed, now that we have sources for his activism czar 17:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Some of the earlier books are with mainline Christian publishers. I am less familiar with the publishers of later works, but the amount is sufficient to warrant having a WP bio. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Charles Doyle (writer)

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A whole lot of life history and resume about a non-notable author. Legacypac (talk) 03:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete Non-notable author, marketeer, amateur golfer and driving charity trustee.--Pontificalibus (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete, just not sufficient WP:SIGCOV for this overstuffed PROMO. Note that source #5 article, described as a WSJ article, leads nowhere, so I searched the WSJ for "Charles Doyle" and got three hits, none about this Charles Doyle. Source # 10, The Guardian is an op-ed he wrote.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Durr-e-Shahwar Syed

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Notability is not inherited. You can't be notable because your father was notable. Her notability was mainly due to her father. No in-depth coverage about her in WP:RS. She fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. Greenbörg (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete In fact, you can be notable merely because of who your father was (c.f. Tiffany Trump,) but, as Nom says, there is no WP:SIGCOV, at least, none that my searches turn up on this name. Moreover, article doesn't make a claim to notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:57, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete subject does not pass notability guidelines for an academic, which is what she would be notable for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Maria Lewis

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I am the subject of this article and would like this article deleted for a few reasons, as firstly I'm not notable for a Wikipedia article to exist about me and secondly the article contains medical information about myself that I would prefer be kept private. I contacted Wikipedia directly and they said this is the best way to go about deletion. Thank you. MariaLewis (talk) 09:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE - a search for sources shows passing mentions or tabloid coverage, which is reflected in the current article. We're not going to suffer bias in the sum of all human knowledge if we remove this. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Significant in-depth coverage of the subject in reliable sources (e.g. 1, 2, 3). The medical information is also covered in reliable sources (e.g. 4, 5, 6), so deleting this article wouldn't assist in keeping such information private.--Pontificalibus (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
That looks more like tabloid journalism to me, and the medical information does not have to go in this article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I will leave others to judge the sources but she currently has links to the medical information on her own webpage and her own linkedin, so the fact that she is supposedly requesting the deletion of this article on medical privacy grounds is not particularly credible.--Pontificalibus (talk) 12:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep I think the person meets Wikipedia requirements with significant in-depth coverage as pointed out above most of the sources show this. A couple like the Linkedin aren't normally good sources but in this case are just used to show career/jobs they have had. As for the medical information, the person spoke publicly about them themselves and are in the public record, just because they maybe having regrets now doesn't mean they shouldn't be referenced here. Article was voted keep before [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Lewis] after being submitted by one time user previously and think it should be voted keep again. NZ Footballs Conscience(talk) 21:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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Brad Jan

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WP:BLP of a model, whose claim of notability is referenced almost entirely to primary sources and blogs that cannot support notability at all. Of the seven footnotes here, literally the only one that represents a reliable source is literally a 40-word (I counted) blurb introducing a YouTube video, which means it's not substantive coverage of him either. Nothing here passes our subject-specific inclusion criteria for models, and the sourcing isn't even close to getting him past WP:GNG in lieu. Bearcat (talk) 16:26, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete My searches have not turned up substantial independent coverage in reliable sources. SmartSE (talk) 20:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete lack of secondary sourcing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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Kanwal Feroze

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Tamgha-i-Imtiaz is not enough for stand-alone article. No in-depth coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Greenbörg (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep - Apart from the sources already provided in the article that have entire paragraphs on him. The fact that he's a recipient of a civilian award and is a PhD. Here's: The Nation & Express Tribune - Mfarazbaig (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Teodore Acosta

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Non-notable person. Fails the general and subject-specific notability criteria. — Zawl 16:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete as per nom. None of his works appear notable. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Julia Schramm

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doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:POLITICIAN CelenaSkaggs (talk) 10:39, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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    • Comment The only notable thing that is listed is a single news event in multiple sources about her defending copyright to a book WP:BLP1E Other than that she was a member of one political party and then joined another, which fails WP:POLITICIAN. Fails WP:GNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by CelenaSkaggs (talkcontribs) 15:54, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - WP:GNG does not require news on multiple aspects of her life, just "Significant coverage", which there was. Furthermore the English Spiegel link refers to earlier newspaper stories elsewhere covering other aspects of her, which enriches what readers can learn about her from this article, and could be used to expand the article. The topics of piracy, DMCA, and inconsistent politicians are important enough that readers deserve to be able to look up what happened in a general encyclopedia. Deletion efforts can go too far. Numbersinstitute (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, notable politician, massive press coverage when she was in the Pirate Party, dozens of sources to show WP:GNG are met at de:Julia Schramm. —Kusma (t·c) 09:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Paul Anderson (journalist)

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doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:JOURNALIST. No sources. CelenaSkaggs (talk) 10:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. This article is about an academic. The subject does meet WP:BIO, and NPROF is more relevant than JOURNALIST. Also there are sources, did you even do a WP:BEFORE? Α Guy into Books § (Message) -  14:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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I can't see a pass of WP:Prof here. Can you be more specific with your claim? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:25, 17 September 2017 (UTC).
  • Keep per WP:HEY this [19] article from The Spectator added to article during thie AfD by someone (not me); per having been editor of a significant publication Tribune (magazine); and per his 1997 book Safety first : the making of new Labour, which was reviewed in The Times, The Guardian, The New Statesman, The Observer... my proquest archives search on the book here: [20].E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:07, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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Sascha Lobo

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fails WP:BIO. References 1 & 4 don't resolve, references 2 & 3 are from his personal website, reference 5 is promotional material for a book written in 2006. CelenaSkaggs (talk) 10:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep, one of the most prominent German bloggers. Here is a reliable source naming him Germany's most well-known blogger. Lots of references in the German article. —Kusma (t·c) 09:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Christophe Neff

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doesn't appear to meet WP:PROF or WP:BIO on given sources CelenaSkaggs (talk) 10:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete, does not meet WP:BIO, fails WP:CS and WP:PROF — Preceding unsigned comment added by EC Racing (talkcontribs) 14:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Subject is the leading German academic on Mediterranean fire ecology, widely published and works in a relevant field. (pun not intended) I see sufficient evidence to show the subject passes NPROF. This is one of six German 'authors' the nom sent to Afd in 30 minutes, however IHO only 2 of those are worthy of deletion. --@EC Racing: WP:CS is not a notability guideline, what did you mean? Α Guy into Books § (Message) -  14:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Comment Links in the article don't demonstrate this. Under references we have 1) the subject's blog, 2) a page from a university that doesn't even list the subject's name, 3) a dead link to ARD with no page found and 4) link to the subject's blog (again). This is hardly sufficient to demonstrate one of the 9 points listed in WP:NACADEMIC. Furthermore, Google search turns up no independent coverage to satisfy general WP:BIO or notability guidelines. User has a Wikimedia page, if that is of interest? CelenaSkaggs (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
      • Comment The fact that the links in the article don't demonstrate notability isn't relevant at all. You should consider reading both WP:ARTN and WP:NEXIST before you nominate any more articles for deletion based on your perception that the links that are presently in an article determine notability. It feels like you're wasting the community's time with many of these noms. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 17:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Ulrike Reinhard

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doesn't meet WP:BIO CelenaSkaggs (talk) 10:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Speedy Keep Nominating all the German authors you can find is fine, but this one is notable, there sufficient sources for WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. Α Guy into Books § (Message) -  14:49, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment She is certainly well-known for her skatepark. I've cleaned up the article a little and added the RS about the park. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. The sources show she is recognized for her multimedia work and her enterprising skateboard part in India.--Ipigott (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Gerald Balone

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Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:BLP1E and WP:GNG his notoriety was very localised. Domdeparis (talk) 10:30, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete does not meet WP:CRIME overall fails WP:BIO and written as WP:PROMO. --EC Racing (talk) 19:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • delete sadly murdering 3 people is far too common to make someone notable. The Nov, 5, 2013 barbershop murderer in Detroit killed 8 people at once, in a week in which the city saw 15 deaths, and I doubt you could find any mention to either of these facts in either Wikipedia or any news source outside of Detroit.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Aaron Parrett

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Fails both GNG and WP:AUTHOR. The only non-trivial mention is in a local news source. The other refs are from unreliable sources or the author's own website. AlexEng(TALK) 06:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Re: WP: GNG... Among many other appearances, author made recent appearance as guest author on Anthony Bourdain's television show, "Parts Unknown."

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Re: WP:AUTHOR Consider "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors." The author is widely cited by peers. Search google books for "aaron parrett" in closed quotes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Reader (talkcontribs) 15:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment, found a couple of good reviews of Parrett's book The Translunar Narrative in the Western Tradition, in Isis (mentioned in the article) - "Aaron Parrett's Book .. adds to the literary analysis of the lunar narrative,..", and in Science Fiction Studies - "True, Parrett doesn’t thoroughly address his assumption that there is a “tradition” of translunar narratives. .. he has produced a book that moves onwards from Marjorie Nicholson’s study (Voyages to the Moon - added by coola:)) and becomes not just an update but a series of questions about a historical event." and WorldCat shows library holdings of around 125 (not just in US), so could just about have a seperate article on this book. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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Allen Morris Jones

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Fails both GNG and WP:AUTHOR. There is a non-trivial mention from Field and Stream, but it mostly concerns a single work of the author and not the author himself. The other refs are from unreliable sources or the author's own website. AlexEng(TALK) 06:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Re: WP: Author... The author is "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors" and thus the entry conforms to WP: Author standards. Particularly within the literary community in the Northern Rockies, he is cited and discussed. From a quick google.... http://billingsgazette.com/entertainment/community/anthology-featuring-montana-writers-supports-quist-public-lands/article_fd2eb56f-6cd7-5bec-baad-b55a33c2736f.html http://www.hcn.org/issues/48.19/recommended-reading-to-take-you-into-the-next-year https://livelytimes.com/2017/03/allen-morris-jones-bloom-bones/ http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/my-montana/2017/01/05/garfield-co-murder-unearthed-new-novel/96217086/ Since page was created, author received a 2016 "Montana Book Award: Honor Book" citation from the Montana Librarian's Association. http://www.montanabookaward.org/index.php/award-winners/93-2016 Author contributed to High Desert Journal's "What is the West" series: https://www.highdesertjournal.com/what-is-the-west Author radio interview: https://beta.prx.org/stories/193190

Re: WP: Author.... "The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique." See above reference to Field and Stream which discusses a cited and respected theory of hunting ethics. Search Google books for "A Quiet Place of Violence" (617 results, many of them citations from other scholars / authors)

Re: GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject..." In addition to published work (two novels, two anthologies, countless magazine articles), author is Editor-in-chief of the magazine Big Sky Journal, and has thus received, and continues to receive, significant coverage. He is central to the literary community in the Rocky Mountain West. http://bigskyjournal.com/ http://bigskyjournal.com/about A recent profile / interview in the magazine Montana Quarterly... http://www.allenmorrisjones.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Montana-Quarterly-Interview.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Reader (talkcontribs) 15:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete the sources are not indepdent enough of the subject to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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Caroline Vu

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Minimal notability; the article is created and edited by SPAs that shills for Vu, and while she has won some awards she has zero coverage outside that and it's not clear how notable those awards are (eg Canadian Authors Association seems itself to have been the work of a shill). Pinkbeast (talk) 00:44, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

To question the importance of literary awards by Canada's largest and oldest writers' association demonstrates a clear absence of knowledge about the Canadian literary scene. Unfortunately, Pinkbeast has made several edits that have factually changed the nature and importance of the author's work, demonstrating a total unfamiliarity with this author. Unfamiliarity by one Wikipedia user with an author does not equate minimal notability. On several occasions, I have had to revert erroroneous changes. The Caroline Vu article has been identified by Wikipedia a "stub" article to which Wikipedia contributors have been specifically invited to expand on. Yet, each effort to expand the article to properly inform Wikipedia readers about the subject of this article has been countered in a matter of seconds by Pinkbeast. Pinkbeast has demonstrated a very weak understanding of literary genre, making the argument that a novel cannot be of creative non-fiction (Please see Wikipedia's own article on the Non-Fiction Novel [1] that demonstrates the absurdity of that allegation). Caroline Vu's notability is rising on both the English and French (through her translated novels) literary scenes in Canada. She has received a full page news coverage in the Montreal Gazette,[2] one of Canada's leading English newspapers. In the last two weeks, her work has been highlighted on a major TV station, in a major Canadian magazine (Châtelaine)[3] and in Montreal's largest circulation newspaper (le Journal de Montréal).[4] She is also in the running for another literary award for short fiction, this time a British award (decision to be announced in October 2017). Citations for this notable news coverage and literary acclaim for the author's work appear in the article. While this author is not yet Margaret Atwood, she is an active writer with a very promising career ahead of her and is certainly notable enough to merit a good factual article in Wikipedia.Literary Muse (talk) 01:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fiction_novel
  2. ^ Cite news|url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/books/caroline-vu-that-summer-in-provincetown-digs-deep-into-a-vietnamese-familys-past
  3. ^ Cite news|url=http://fr.chatelaine.com/opinions/irma-le-poids-des-souvenirs-emportes/
  4. ^ Cite news|url=http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/09/16/une-odyssee-chargee-dhumanite
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She has some press, although not sure how reliable source-ish these all are.[21][22][23][24][25] And briefer.[26][27] Although her first novel was basically self-published it still got some press and award noms. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Reluctant keep. This does need a major scrubdown for neutrality issues and referencing improvement, but there are credible notability claims here — even if there are problems with the Canadian Authors Association's article, it is a fundamentally notable organization whose awards do count for something toward WP:AUTHOR, as is the Quebec Writers' Federation. Literary Muse has a declared conflict of interest, however — they have declared themselves in past edit summaries as knowing Caroline Vu personally, which means that they do not have any right to convert the article into Caroline Vu's own preferred public relations version. For example, the past attempts to remove the source for who she was formerly married to were entirely inappropriate, as there was no valid reason given for the removal — the article's tone and content, and what sources are or are not permissible in it, are our decision to make according to our rules, not Caroline Vu's or Literary Muse's. I've made some adjustments to the article to improve the sourcing and remove the most advertorialized content — any award nomination that we can't source to media coverage about the award's shortlist, but exclusively to the award's own self-published content about itself, is an award about which Wikipedia cares not a whit — but there's enough here to keep as long as we neutralize it and keep the sourcing clean. Bearcat (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
I guess with what Colapeninsula has found I can't argue against keep. Thank you for your eye on the article. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep The awards and reviews together might constitute significant critical attention per WP:AUTHOR, and pretty clearly get her over the WP:GNG bar. Article has been cleaned up and presents no major NPOV or referencing problems. FourViolas (talk) 00:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Kate Saffin

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR. No claims of notability, only one mention in national press. Rogermx (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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There is some coverage of her work, it's not very in depth though, and the show she co-wrote Idle Women of the Wartime Waterways seems more notable than she is (though even it is maybe not notable enough). Articles[28][29][30] Interviews[31][32] --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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Diana Alouise

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nonnotable -- the only RS is an announcement about a single show DGG ( talk ) 19:21, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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David Allen Hulse

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Non-notable author, no coverage in reliable secondary sources. Unlikely to see any more coverage, as the last book authored was in 2000, and the page has changed little since its creation. Rockypedia (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete author whose work is said to be notable to a group, but no sources provided to show this other than his own website.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:57, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - Routine author who is not the subject of substantial independent published coverage, therefore failing GNG. I don't believe his collected works to be either best selling or seminal. Carrite (talk) 16:01, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

William Shao

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Lacks notability; reliable sources don't appear to exist; coatrack for fringe theories. RivertorchFIREWATER 06:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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Darinka Montico

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Non notable CelenaSkaggs (talk) 13:02, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete - Can't find reliable sources covering her. Jdcomix (talk) 02:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete:An article by the same WP:SPA was deleted from the Italian Wikipedia as non-encyclopedic or promotional which could also be said of this instance. I don't think the brief item in La Stampa or the self-written item in La Repubblica Lifestyle about her walk are evidence of encyclopaedic notability. AllyD (talk) 07:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete another non-notable blogger.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:54, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Sundeep Bhutoria

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Most sources are PR based or primary. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 11:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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Inayatullah Faizi

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No in-depth coverage found in WP:RS. Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. Greenbörg (talk) 16:05, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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Pride of Performance was awarded to 100+ individuals in 2010 so how such award can make him notable? Greenbörg (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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Can you give a link? Xxanthippe (talk) 02:46, 24 September 2017 (UTC).
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Shakir ul Qadri

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No in-depth coverage so seems to fail WP:NAUTHOR. He will fail WP:GNG too. Greenbörg (talk) 16:18, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete I've tried searching with both the subject's name and his better known epithet. I can't find anything reliable about him; all hits which come up are for different individuals with similar names. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak keep on the basis of a fuller Urdu Wikipedia page suggesting better sourcing available. Bondegezou (talk) 16:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
No RS cited on Urdu WP. --Saqib (talk) 07:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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G. M. Felix

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Just a regular poet. He hasn't recieved in-depth coverage. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. Greenbörg (talk) 16:21, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete, though he's clearly been on this Earth for a long time and published some stuff, there is no suggestion here he's won awards or had any recognition. If he'd "well known" by his other name Qasir Amritsari, there's zero proof of this online. If there was any hint of pre-internet success I'd hesitate to vote 'delete', but the prognosis doesn't look good here. Sionk (talk) 20:13, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete no indication he is actually a notable poet.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:55, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Josh Dean (writer)

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The only source in the article is just a listing for the subject's book and does not contribute to establish notability. I could not find any in-depth coverage by independent reliable sources to meet our general notability guidelines and it also fails WP:AUTHOR Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 06:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Weak keep I found some coverage of two of his books @ newspapers.com: [34] [35] [36] [37], especially the first one is quite detailed. There is also this from NY Daily News, a review by Kirkus Reviews, some coverage by NPR, some coverage about the proposed movie. No full-page article solely about him but I think sufficient non-trivial coverage to pass WP:BASIC. Regards SoWhy 10:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
@SoWhy: Congratulations on finding those sources, I did not know about Newspapers.com. It seems like a great tool. As you point out the sources presented are not centered on him. In most cases they just mention him as the author. the first source that you found seems to be the only one that has some in-depth coverage beyond mentioning him as the author, it does not say much more though, just that he was a journalist writing his first book and some of his answers about the dog in the book. The sources I could find were either not independent or included just mentions of the subject and were only focused on the books or on the taking of the submarine. The sources you uncovered are a step in the right direction, since the first might be regarded as more than a trivial mention, but my feeling is that we probably still need more sources with in-depth coverage of the subject himself. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 11:20, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep not Nom's fault, really. Nomination of a lightly-soruced, new article about a writer was not unreasonable. Thing is, Dean's new book is hot, hot, hot. (gNews search here: [38]). And he is a respected journalist, just needs a better article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Steve Wilke

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I nominated this article for deletion in 2014 in the course of WP:New Pages Patrol. The outcome was a non-admin closure of "no consensus". Looking back over this, the result seems very problematic. The only keep  !voter was @Brookspowell629 who, more likely than not, had conflicts of interest when creating and editing articles in 2014 related to this article. Look at their history and judge for yourself. Brookspowell629 has since become inactive. The non-admin closure also looks problematic because the consensus of the discussion, setting aside Brookspowell629's !vote, appears to be delete. More substantively, the article's subject and its sources still show no sign of meeting the notability standards. Fiachra10003 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. , possibly speedy delete as promotional. Self-published author. Nosignificant library holdings ofany of his books. DGG ( talk ) 18:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • delete this page is entirely promotional and badly sourced, as most promotional pages are. Would need to be completely rewritten. A deletion discussion argument can be the same as a speedy one, and this should have been speedied per WP:G11 - it would need to be fundamentally rewritten to make this a WP article and not an ad. Jytdog (talk) 05:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG, as "sources" therein are from the author himself. Promotional piece. sixtynine • speak up • 05:42, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Khalifah Whitner

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Nothing in the article to indicate why this author is notable. Doesn't appear to meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG Pontificalibus (talk) 14:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete a gNews search on her unique name turns up absolutely nothing. Her publisher http://kiwimperialpublishing.com/ is her own self-publishing imprint. Article appears to be mere PROMO. No WP:RS found, no plausible claim to notability, and and no notability found.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Tom Bernstein

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Prod removed by creator. My concern is that this appears to be a non notable author who fails WP:NAUTHOR and lacks reliable sources Gbawden (talk) 10:25, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete. , probably speedy delete as promotional for author whose books are not even in worldcat. DGG ( talk ) 18:35, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete written as WP:PROMO does not meet WP:AUTHOR and fails WP:GNG. --EC Racing (talk) 21:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete, does not meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:AUTHOR, his books do not appear to be well known ie. WorldCat shows A Rumor of Justice being held only in one library, a gsearch brings up just the usual non-useable suspects ie. amazon, goodreads, did find an article about him from his local paper, The Flathead Beacon but this is not enough. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Russ Alan Prince

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Promotional. Self referential Rathfelder (talk) 20:45, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete - too promotional to be worth keeping; the notability is marginal, if any. I'm not able to locate significant RS coverage that discusses the topic directly and in detail. The article's creator has been blocked for abusing multiple accounts; pls also see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Frogg92477. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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Completing the steps on an incomplete nomination. The original nominator indicated that the article was self-promotional. To that I would add concerns about the sourcing, and about notability. There are sources, but they appear to be references to the subject's work - videos of times when they were interviewed, for example, or websites where their work is published. Good as far as it goes, perhaps, but what we need to show that the subject is notable are references that discuss the subject themselves. An article about this person would work, an article by them would not. Admittedly, I'm a native English speaker, so my searches in Arabic may not be comprehensive - but I am as yet unable to come up with adequate sources. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 17:38, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete no where near passing the notability guidelines for journalists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Ok, first off I've opted to ignore all the SPAs, also because most of their arguments do not address any point about our definition of notability, or make unsupported assertions. I also think that some comments here ("self promoter") are unnecessary and jerkish for an AfD.

Now on the actual notability issue, there seems to be some disagreement on whether some sources suffice to establish GNG notability. With some - BBC and car crash news - the delete argument seems to be stronger but with others - The Christian Post - I don't see a clear cut consensus. Since the notability of the topic hinges on the sufficiency of these sources, a "no consensus" outcome seems appropriate. A previous AfD ended up deleting the topic, but "consensus can change" as they say. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Jared Andre Sawyer Jr.

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Fails WP:NBIO. Found no sources using Google search, even on Google news. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 04:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Note that Nom searched "Jared Andre Sawyer Jr."; "Jared Sawyer Jr." gets hits on a gNews search, and more hits on a proquest news archives search.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep He has over 3 million views on YouTube, about 300K followers on social media and a good number of reliable sources because a lot of people want to know more about him. - YouTube is the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativeworld76 (talkcontribs) 08:12, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep - He was a prodigy and seems as though he's still a major influencer. He's clearly a leader in conversation around religion, politics, and philosophy. comment added by Paooola.mahe (talkcontribs) —Preceding undated comment added 17:50, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep - After a google search, he was in a car accident that seemed to gain extensive media attention, including but not limited to BET, Atlanta Journal Constitution, Joy 105, and local Atlanta stations from just one post on his social media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon729 (talkcontribs) 08:02, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep - Article topic was named 200 Most Influential authors of 2016 by Richtopia. Additionally, the article's content asserts importance and significance for the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross724 (talkcontribs) 16:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete This is a vanity page. The sources are either vanity pieces or fluff. It's interesting that he caused controversy for being ordained at such a young age, but it has not garnered enough non-routine coverage to merit an article. YouTube views are not a criteria for notability. The brief mentions about the car accident are not enough to convince me that the subject is notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:19, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per Walter Görlitz as I agree with their point of view. I stand by my previous comments in the previous AfD. Aoba47 (talk) 01:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep(struck as duplicate !vote) I'd think someone who has a supporting role in a feature film releasing next year with Taraji P. Henson is pretty notable. The movie page is disambiguated so right now. Additionally, there are some google references for his appearances in Tyler Perry films. He's apparently a familiar face and notable. Ross724 15:37, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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  • Delete - This is a vanity page, as described above. Shelbystripes (talk) 22:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep Ignoring the likely meatpuppeting, this guy appears legitimately notable, even if a bit borderline at this time. The NAACP award and Christian Post articles are the two that anchor GNG compliance in my mind--others aren't as good of sources, but aren't solely vanity, either. The above delete !voters need to check the sources a bit more closely before just dismissing this as a vanity page: promotional language can be fixed by regular editing. Jclemens (talk) 03:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Ok, forget borderline, he made the BBC. Jclemens (talk) 04:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
      • That article merely has a picture of him as "another child preacher", the text doesn't discuss him at all. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:22, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete The article is clearly promotional in nature, and it's likely WP:TOOSOON. This is a 20-year old, and it's unclear to me why/how he is notable: as an actor, an author, or a member of the clergy? References like [39] don't lead me to believe he meets WP:GNG at this time. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:22, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • He has the most GNG coverage as a member of the clergy, which is international, mainstream, and has continued over years. I don't see RS'es covering his acting yet. Jclemens (talk) 05:31, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
      • WP:CLERGY is phrased in a way that doesn't really apply to BLPs, especially BLPs of people this young. I do agree this is a borderline case, but I still feel it's WP:TOOSOON. power~enwiki (π, ν) 06:42, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
        • I agree that he does not meet WP:CLERGY or have presumptive notability in any such manner. However, clergy members can meet GNG through routine means, and that seems to best apply here, as his coverage is clearly scattered: both the Christian Post and AJC articles cover him as a child preacher, now growing up into a college student. Jclemens (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Got significant publicity as a child preacher. He is now an undergrad at Morehouse College, in Atlanta and was recently injured in a traffic accident. Few accident victims get news coverage like Teen author, Morehouse student recovering after crash, in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, [40]. That story revisits the child-star coverage and strongly supports notability. As do his film credits [41], although these small are not by themselves sufficient to pass WP:ACTOR. I am concerned about the fact that the article asserts that he is ministering at an importantGreater Piney Grove Baptist Church, but the Church's website does not list him on the staff page [42].E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Andre' Sawyer Jr, this should have been G4 eligible, but it was created under a slightly different title. No, this kid is not notable. He is a young cleric who is trying to promote himself. The BBC is just a picture of him, and the Christian Post article is a fluff human interest piece (and no, I'm not arguing that because its a Christian publication: I have a pretty strong record in arguing for counting religious publications towards GNG in AfDs, this one is just literally nothing more than you'd expect to see on local TV). NAACP award isn't at the level required for ANYBIO. No reason to keep this article. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Here is the Christian Post article [43] Tony refers to, a reported article in a WP:RS for sourcing a bio. One man's fluff is another man's reporting on a modern example of an issue that has roiled protestant waters for 500 years; and Christian waters since the year 1.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, and that article is not an analysis of the complicated theological questions. Its a fluff piece about a kid. You didn't think that it alone raised him to the level of notability 10 months ago, and nothing has changed since then. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Where is the policy or guideline that says an article about a preacher has to delve into his theology? It's a detailed piece by major topical press, and you're arguing it doesn't go into the minutiae of the topic sufficiently? Jclemens (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • No, I'm saying its not substantial coverage that we would accept in any BLP AfD as establishing notability, and that the response above was trying to portray it as a commentary of how this subject fits in to a centuries-long intellectual struggle within Protestantism, and one that has taken place over millennia within Christianity as a whole is not remotely accurate. Reliable sources run human interest pieces all the time, and we rarely ever count them towards notability, largely because they lack intellectual independence from the subject and are borderline primary, which are specifically excluded as couting towards notability. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Play fair, Tony. I described it as "reporting on a modern example of an issue that..." (then I got verbose, thinking I was being amusing, in my description.) It is a pretty ordinary feature story, reporting not only the issue of child preaching without ordination, but reporting on details of his life, career goals, college how attending, and the fact that his ordination was broadcast live by a local radio station over Facebook. My opinion on that question is yes, I think Jesus probably would have had a facebook page.09:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The question of whether or not Jesus would have a Facebook page is irrelevant to whether or not a document that is largely based on primary sources that aren't intellectually independent meets the GNG. There is no policy based reason to think it does. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Whoa. The Christian Post is a well-regarded, national publication. This is a reported article. There is no reason to suspect that either the reporter or the publication is connected to this young preacher.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:55, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per prior AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Andre' Sawyer Jr) and for lack of any additional notability since then. The SPA activity at this AfD is concerning as well. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
    • I think your timeline is incorrect: this is last month, when the previous, lightly attended AfD was in November, 2016. Jclemens (talk) 17:27, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
      • Passing local coverage about a car crash does not establish notability by any means, and would be expected in many major cities in the American South its run-of-the-mill, nothing more. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Tony, no, Atlanta is one of the biggest cities in the country and the AJC is is one of the country's major regional dailies. It truly does not run an article every time a local kid is in a car crash.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:49, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • This is the last response I will post here, because I don't want to make it more difficult for other to participate in the conversation, but I think it is important to demonstrate how frequent car crash reporting is in the AJC: [44],[45], [46], [47], and there are about 6 more from the first page of Google just from this month. Yes, major regional dailies int he American South run car crash stories all the time. No, none of the people who are involved in them are notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Tony, there's a fundamental difference between the four links you posted, and the one on Sawyer: his link says something about who he is. None of the other four talk about colleges, ambition, cite previous interviews, or books published, or anything of the sort. That's what I would call qualitatively different reporting by the AJC on Sawyer vs. other car crash participants. Jclemens (talk) 05:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment It wasn't immediately obvious from reading the text above, but it appears there have been two separate prior AfDs under different titles:
    • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Sawyer Jr in May 2016 (no middle name)
    • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Andre' Sawyer Jr in November, 2016 (no trailing period).
    • Additionally, it appears to still exist now reside at Jared Sawyer Jr, despite the prior where it was moved during this AfD. What a mess. Jclemens (talk) 17:36, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
        • Thanks for pointing that out. If this closes as delete, I'd request the closing admin to salt all titles. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
          • What would be the justification for that? It's been recreated with increasing evidence of notability. If you avoid reacting to the meatpuppetry punitively (AGF'ing that these are fans clueless about Wikipedia norms), you can see this young gentleman is at least borderline notable. I'll note that at least one of the previous AfD participants, E.M.Gregory, has changed his mind and is strongly supporting retention in this AfD. Jclemens (talk) 04:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
            • I'll comment in reply since you asked for the salting justification: it actually has nothing to do with the meatpuppetry above, but with the repeated recreation of someone who isn't even near notable from my estimation, and I tend to be very critical of the way the average NPP person handles religious biographies. I try to be involved in most AfDs involving clerics of any religion: the average Wikipedia editor will often look at an article about a significant cleric and not know how to assess notability because they work off the fallacy that publications within a religious group can't be intellectually independent from the subject of a biography. What I'm seeing here wouldn't near clear the bar for inclusion for any BLP, and I don't think lowering the bar for clerics to count local car crash articles and pictures in the BBC does the encyclopedia any favours. Salting is justified if this is deleted because we've now wasted time in AfD three times over this person, and the title has been at four different names now. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The keep argument, as I see it, consists of:

1. article in the Christian Post, Teen Called to Preach at Age 5 Sparks Debate ABout Needing a Degree to Preach God's Word, Christian Post
2. 2017 article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Teen Author, Morehouse Student Recovering After Crach, [48]
3. 2009 article in the Baltimore Afro-American about speakers at a scholarship presentation at a Howard University School of Divinity scholarship award ceremony, relevant text reads "The guest speaker will be the Rev. Jared Sawyer Jr., who is 11 years old and is a spiritual phenomenon... Jared, a native of Decatur, Ga., and the son of Sebrina and Jared Sawyer Sr., is like any 11 year old youngster who loves to play sports and hang out with his friends. More than that, he loves to read and study the Bible. Another difference between him and his peers is that on Sunday mornings, he goes to the pulpit. "I was called to preach by the voice of God at age 6," Jared said. He was licensed as a preacher at Centerhill Baptist Church in Decatur where he began singing the gospel at age 2 and reading the Bible at age 3. Jared, now a resident of Atlanta, studies God's word and writes his own weekly sermons. Many of them , encourage young people to live for the Lord. He truly loves the Lord and is serious about delivering His word through his powerful sermons. He preaches every Sunday in front of hundreds of worshippers and asks them to forget his age and listen to his delivery of God's word."[49]
4. Too Much Truth: Minister Jared Sawyer Jr. 21 July, 2016 interviewed by Derrick Boazman [50] on CBS local (there's more similar, but I'm out of time.) 4. He is mentioned in a 2012 BBC article, "The curious allure of child preachers" [51].
5. Others stuff includes news hits on announcements of his appearances to speak/preach in various places.
6. Plus brief coverage, often just announcements, of activities undertaken by his Jared Sawyer, Jr/ Ministries. This includes stuff like organizing youth in Atlanta to plant trees along roads on Martin Luther King Day, putting on a one day "Teens Against Violence," seminar, and similar.
7. In addition, he has had some very small film roles [52] that do not appreciably contribute to notability. And books that garnered no significant coverage in RS.
Summing up, there is no doubt that he is a self promoter, not only on WP, but also, for example, on his imdb bio (which describes him as a best-selling author.) I did this summary for myself, and didn't complete the list (out of time) but looking at it, I do think that there's is enough to support an article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep - I ducked in here due to what looks like at a glance either sockpuppetry or a voting campaign up top of this debate. I believe the subject's age at ordination, while still a minor, and the published controversy surrounding this gets us most of the way to passing GNG and the other unrelated sourcing already showing in the footnotes takes us the rest of the way home. Don't care about christianity, the economics of churches, and whether or not this subject is a "self-promotor" — the bottom line is that the subject passes GNG based on multiple instances of significant coverage of the subject in independently published sources of presumed accuracy. Carrite (talk) 16:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Emir of Wikipedia has moved the article since the start of this AfD. I have moved the article back and recreated the title with an apostrophe after the middle name as a redirect. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 21:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
This was just a result of a request at WP:RM/TR. I take no side in this AfD. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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Paolo Zanotti (author)

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Improperly sourced biography of a writer, whose strongest claim of notability per WP:AUTHOR is that he and his work existed. The only references cited here at all are the Google Books directory profiles of four of his books -- but since nearly every book that exists at all is going to have one of those, they do not count as evidence of notability in and of themselves any more than having a sales profile on amazon.com would. There's no reliable source coverage about him in media present to support any of the biographical content at all, but that's the kind of sourcing we would need to see before we could keep this. Bearcat (talk) 21:24, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Bearcat: Will try to establish source for this article. Zazzysa (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete: My searches are finding some blog posts etc. and a couple of passing name checks in books but nothing that can sustain an article as a reliable source. Happy to reconsider if Zazzysa locates anything as mentioned above, but as it stands this fails WP:AUTHOR. AllyD (talk) 07:54, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

T. L. Orcutt

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Although this article has been around for seven years, and has many incoming and outgoing links, I am just unable to see how it satisfies WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR. I'm looking for significant coverage of the author and/or his books and I'm not finding it. A Google search brings up many many directory listings and Wikipedia mirrors but nothing in-depth about the author.

Similarly, the articles about his books are heavy on plot detail and light on sources. So I will also nominate them as part of this process.

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Doesn't seem to pass WP:NACTRESS, or any other notability guideline. This is about the type of independent coverage about her. Every other available source is an interview or passing mention. menaechmi (talk) 19:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Per WP:Creative, where her niche is the Spanish-American translation. 158.59.127.132 (talk) 16:03, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong delete comes no where close to passing notability for actresses, which is all the article mentions she might pass in.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:56, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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