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Longest serving Wikipedians

I note that I have been contributing regularly for 14 years come the end of the month - who else has been around for 'a long time' (whether on a regular or occasional basis)? Jackiespeel (talk) 16:39, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations! I've got nearly 13 years. --Zac67 (talk) 17:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Check out the Category:Members of the Ten Year Society of Wikipedia editors and Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians in order of arrival/2001. Also Wikipedia:Wikipediholic. Rmhermen (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Is there a 15-Year Society yet? I am a for-interest wikian. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
@Rmhermen: - How do people get added to Category:Members of the Ten Year Society of Wikipedia editors? Ross-c (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Interesting! Where is there info about phase II & phase III? And what was the "slashdotting"? (btw, Thanks, Jackie, Zak, and esp Rmhermen! I saw your name on 2001 list! rags (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
@Ross-c: You just put the userbox on your page, see Wikipedia:Ten Year Society. --Zac67 (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Ross-c (talk) 18:13, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
I use {{User Wikipedian For}} to track how long I've been on Wikipedia. That template could be updated to auto-add people to categories. I have my 15 year mark coming up this year. Jason Quinn (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Had an idea once: Using Echo and a bot to wish 50 users each day to have a happy Wikipedia birthday. I built a prototype, but figured I'd get flak for developing it. — Dispenser 10:47, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Slashdotting = Slashdot effect. Smmurphy(Talk) 01:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Me I think, but compared to yourself, I'm just a nipper. scope_creep (talk) 15:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
12 years, 10 months. Not much of a nipper. scope_creep (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Anyone who contributes regularly (even 'occasional minor improvements') for a long period should be recognised.
Perhaps there could be the Wikipedian equivalent of the Clock of the Long Now (or a 'X has been active/an occasional contributor on Wikipedia for Y% of its life' 'whatsit' to put on one's userpage. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
I joined in November 2001. So over 16 years at the moment. Didn't know the Ten Year Society thing existed! -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Two experiments: Eliciting New Editor Interest and Team effect

Hi all. This is Leila from WMF Research team. I'm reaching out to you to notify you about two experiments that we intend to run on enwiki over the course of the next 2 weeks (start time will likely be in the week of 2018-06-18, I will update this thread once we know if it can happen in that week from our end). Both experiments are on newcomers with the broad goal of helping a more diverse newcomer pool to stay on the projects for longer to contribute (each experiment has specific measurements). I'll explain them in some more depth below along with pointers:

  • Elicit New Editor Interest: This experiment is intended to help us assess how good a model we have built is in detecting editor interests when they join Wikipedia. There are many applications for a system that can help us address editor cold start problem, \textit{i.e.} the problem of learning about editor interests early on when they join Wikipedia and when we have very little information about the editors (almost no edit history, for example). For example, such a system can be used in routing editors to WikiProjects that can be of interest to them, or help them find tasks that are of interest to them. You can read the details of the models developed and the experiment and follow the task in Phabricator.
  • Team work effect: The second experiment is going to help us assess whether we can help more women stay on Wikipedia longer by pairing them with other newcomers who join Wikipedia. You can read the details of the experiment and some background on why this specific angle is important to be tested. You can follow the task in Phabricator.

Given the design of these experiments and the target audience, we do not expect them to negatively affect active editor workflows. If you have questions or comments about these experiments, please let me know. Thank you! --LZia (WMF) (talk) 00:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Yerevan International edit-a-thon

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For the purpose of increasing the number of Yerevan related content in the Internet, Wikimedia Armenia announces international one-month edit-a-thon from June 15 – July 15, 2018. You are kindly invited to get involved and start editing and improving articles about Yerevan.

Hope you'll enjoy editing and have fun during this interesting process.

One participant from the first 15 most written language Wikipedias with the most points will be invited to Yerevan to join the events organized in the frames of Yerevan 2800th anniversary. For more details please visit the edit-a-thon page on Meta.

See you soon in sunny Yerevan!--Lilit (WM AM) (talk) 12:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Commons to en:Wiki

I recently became aware of the contributions to Commons by ACTVR. I haven't examined all of them, but those I have seen are carefully edited versions of older (but nevertheless presumably copyright) British company logos. I think that many, perhaps all, have their ("fair use"!) place in en:WP articles -- but not in Commons. I've put up one for deletion, and, in my nomination, mentioned the others. I think it would be beneficial if, for most (all?) of these files, somebody would upload it to en:WP with a different filename, switch the link in the article to this new upload, provide a fair use rationale, and perhaps do a couple of other things that I can't immediately think of. However, I cannot be that body: my "RL" has deadlines looming.

Alternatively, perhaps there already exists help for moving stuff such as this from Commons to en:WP; I don't know, and sorry but I lack the time needed to investigate. -- Hoary (talk) 13:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I really don't have the time needed for this stuff, but I thought I'd do it for one file: File:MPP logo.jpg. I gave this a different filename, selected "fair use | logo", and wrote:

The logo of Micro Precision Products, in a JPEG edited by User:ACTVR, who in 2013 uploaded it to Commons as File:MPP logo.jpg, stating that it, together with a score of other logos was ACTVR's "Own work". Surely it instead should be presumed to be copyright, and should not be at Commons (and I am about to ask for its deletion).

Fair use rationale: The image is used to identify the company Micro Precision Products. Use of the logo is intended to help readers identify the company, assure readers that they have reached the relevant article containing critical commentary about the company, and illustrate the company's intended branding message in a way that would be laborious or impossible to express via words alone.

Source: Wikimedia Commons (File:MPP logo.jpg). User:ACTVR did not specify their source for this. The logo is identical to that shown on the back cover of Basil Skinner, Micro Precision Products: The MPP Story and the Products (Newquay, Cornwall: MPP Publications, 2004), to that shown in the advertisement for the MPP Monorail Camera that is reproduced on page 42 of this book, and also to that on the MPP Monorail Camera as shown in this advertisement.

But I was told: "This file is a duplicate of the following file: [File:MPP logo.jpg]" and "Please modify the file description below and try again." I don't know how I could constructively modify the file description. I could open the file with GIMP and fiddle with a few pixels and save as a different file, but this seems like cheating (and some bot might flag it as nefarious). What to do? (Not that I, this week, would be in a mood to do any of it.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:02, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Attempt at discussion failed here; succeeded at commons:Commons:Village_pump#Moving_from_Commons_to_en:Wikipedia. If anyone here is interested, please go there. -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

How can the Interaction Timeline be useful in reporting to noticeboards?

The Anti-Harassment Tools team built the Interaction Timeline to make it easier to understand how two people interact and converse across multiple pages on a wiki. The tool shows a chronological list of edits made by two users, only on pages where they have both made edits within the provided time range. Our goals are to assist users to make well informed decisions in incidents of user misconduct and to keep on-wiki discussions civil and focused on evidence.

We're looking to add a feature to the Interaction Timeline that makes it easy to post statistics and information to an on-wiki discussion about user misconduct. We're discussing possible wikitext output on the project talk page, and we invite you to participate! Thank you, For the Anti-Harassment Tools team, SPoore (WMF), Trust & Safety, Community health initiative (talk) 21:38, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

IP-users 110.169.nnn.mmm

I'm not shure if I must report this here, but I could not find another place. Since early this year IP-users 110.169.nnn.mmm, where nnn=13 and nnn=12 were the busiest, have been contributing many times with "not existing template arguments". The pattern is always on one day many contributions are made, and only on that one day. Next time such a thing happens, it is the same pattern, but another address. Some examples:, I could not find all edits by all 110.169.nnn.mmm addresses, but there must be more than those I noticed. --FredTC (talk) 14:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

See Special:Contributions/ for any edits by 110.169.x.x. Johnuniq (talk) 23:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Help with finding an essay

Hi. I read a Wikipedia essay a short while ago detailing how to avoid repetition. One of the things it detailed was that editors should avoid using different synonyms in repetetive text and instead shorten it. It mentioned that “title” shouldn’t be used as a synonym for “game” due to its ambiguity.

Could somebody please help me find this essay? I couldn’t find it at Wikipedia:Essay directory as I don’t remember what it is called. Interqwark talk contribs 06:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Interqwark: This search found Wikipedia:The problem with elegant variation, which matches your description. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Thank you! I searched for “repetition” in essays but couldn’t find it, for some reason. Interqwark talk contribs 08:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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