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Template text inadvertently discourages use of NPOV language

The phrase "Jesus Christ" is a theologically loaded title that Jews and others reject, and that (per WP:NPOV) should not generally be used on English Wikipedia except in very specific circumstances. The neutral, equally recognizable term is "Jesus of Nazareth". I went to Jesus Christ yesterday to see if there were pages that linked to it inappropriately, but before I got to that I saw that the redirect page currently includes the text Please do not replace these redirected links with a link directly to the target page unless expressly advised to do so below or elsewhere on this page. This was clearly meant to discourage editors from piping directly to the article title from pages that use the same "alternate name" as the redirect, but that wording assumes that all alternate names are equally acceptable for Wikipedia to be using in its text, which is not the case.

The template in question, Template:Redr, is apparently deprecated, but I really don't know what that means when the template is permanently "template-protected to prevent vandalism" (even though the odds of extended-confirmed editors engaging in bona fide "vandalism" on relatively obscure template pages that can generally only be seen by clicking noredirect links are next to nil).

Shouldn't the text be changed to Please do not replace these redirected links with a link directly to the target page without a good reason? I don't even know how or where to go about doing this, which is why I'm at the miscellaneous village pump.

Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:54, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

It looks like there are many thousands of redirects to Jesus Christ, many of which may be appropriate usages. This would be a long-term project requiring manual reading each case for context. Due to the subject, I'd expect you'd get pushback for many of the edits so this is a task that seems ripe for revert wars. I would first create an short, concise, formal argument justifying bypassing the redirect based on our policies and guidelines (like you've started above using NPOV) that properly weighs WP:DONOTFIXIT. Once you are ready, you can make your proposal in the Village Pump's Proposals section (if a better place springs to somebody's mind, please suggest it). If that succeeds with consensus, you can use a link to that discussion when making your edits, which will help explain the purpose and justification for your edits and prevent disagreements. Jason Quinn (talk) 05:56, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Linking to non-English Wikipedia?

In this diff user:Ag2gaeh is linking to German Wikipedia instead of clarifying a statement he has made. Is this appropriate? I don't think we should be sending English speaking users to German Wikipedia to seek clarification, when the author can simply explain the thing his or herself. (Note that he has provided a German reference in addition to the interwiki link, which is not a problem. But why can't he simply explain it himself?) He has also been removing all the {{clarify}} tags I've added to the article. His writing style is not very advanced, and I am having trouble understanding the article. SharkD  Talk  12:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

It would be helpful, if SharkD would look for an English source instead to remove my link. I have no access to English literature. An explanation in more detail would be an extra article. SharkD has "fortgeschrittene Deutschkenntnisse" and is able to read the German links. So perhaps he may be able to insert a "short" explanation. A long explanation would be not convenient. I intend to translate the German Wiki article "orthogonale Axonometrie". But it takes time. Discussions like this here and there are preventing me from working for Wikipedia. --Ag2gaeh (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
It should be mentioned here that SharkD is a disruptive editor, who has never learnt that, in mathematics, many words have an accurate meaning that may differ from their common meaning. It results that he call "grammar errors of a non-native English speaker" many phrases that could be clarified by simply adding an appropriate wikilink, and does not really take into account the posts from other editors who disagree with him (see Talk:Parallel projection and its history for details). This results in the retirement from Wikipedia of a good mathematical editor (they are too few). This could be the object of a notice to WP:ANI, if I had the time for detailing this disruptive behaviour, which is of a minor importance, because the implied article have a very small audience.. D.Lazard (talk) 15:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't want to go into too much detail here, but I reverted one edit, and you yourself said the change I reverted was ill-advised to begin with. Since then, I have tried to discuss each of the issues I have found in the articles on the Talk page, and use the {{clarify}} template as I was instructed. (Which have been deleted.) If you would like to participate constructively, why not join the discussion on the Talk page? That is why it is there. That said, I would still like to know what the policy is on directing English-speaking users to German Wikipedia for further info. I imagine the reverse happens a lot, but it still bothers me and seems sloppy. SharkD  Talk  16:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
To help clarify, the issue is about partially explaining a topic, and then asking readers to, "Please go to German Wikipedia for more info." SharkD  Talk  01:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Criticism of Walmart discussion

There has been a really great conversation at Talk:Criticism of Walmart and I'm looking for more editors to join the discussion. To summarize: Wikipedians have noticed and have begun attempts to fix the Criticism of Walmart article, which is full of WP:UNDUE and WP:POV content, and is far from encyclopedic in areas. Some editors have suggested throwing out the article and starting from scratch, while others have said the article would take a "massive" effort to clean up properly. The issue is no one knows where to start, which brings me here. Input and advice from additional editors could be a huge benefit to finding a way forward with this. As one of Walmart's representatives on Wikipedia, I have a conflict of interest and I do not feel comfortable making suggestions as to whether the editors should try to correct the existing article or start over by reducing it to a stub, as has been suggested by others. I am, however, willing to help with whatever "grunt" work is necessary to assist other editors in fixing the page (providing references, assisting with identifying inaccuracies, etc.). Any insight is valuable and appreciated. Thanks, JLD at Walmart (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, JLD. What about WP:NPOVN, where you can address the article's bias? --George Ho (talk) 10:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


Article Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija should be renamed in only Kosovo and Metohija, as has already been done with Autonomous Province of Vojvodina (Vojvodina). --SrpskiAnonimac (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Ongoing proposals at Meta-wiki

There are ongoing proposals, including older ones, to close or delete some language projects, like Beta Wikiversity and Moldovan Wikipedia. Also, there are proposals for new projects, like NonFreeWiki, WikiJournal, Wikigames, and Wikidirectory. --George Ho (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

RFC on microscope article


--2600:387:6:807:0:0:0:C2 (talk) 14:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

The strategy discussion. The Cycle 2 will start on May 5

The first cycle of the Wikimedia movement strategy process recently concluded. During that period, we were discussing the main directions for the Wikimedia movement over the next 15 years. There are more than 1500 summary statements collected from the various communities (including 40 from your local discussion). The strategy facilitators and many volunteers have summarized the discussions of the previous month. A quantitative analysis of the statements will be posted on Meta for translation this week, alongside the report from the Berlin conference.

The second cycle will begin soon. It's set to begin on May 5 and run until May 31. During that period, you will be invited to dive into the main topics that emerged in the first cycle, discuss what they mean, which ones are the most important and why, and what their practical implications are. This work will be informed and complemented by research involving new voices that haven’t traditionally been included in strategy discussions, like readers, partners, and experts. Together, we will begin to make sense of all this information and organize it into a meaningful guiding document, which we will all collectively refine during the third and last cycle in June−July.

We want to help your community to be more engaged with the discussions in the next cycle. Now, we are looking for volunteers who could

  • tell us where to announce the start of the Cycle 2, and how to do that, so we could be sure the majority of your community is informed and has a chance to feel committed, and
  • facilitate the Cycle 2 discussions here, on Wikipedia.

We are looking forward to your feedback!

Base (WMF) and SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Hyphen in this name

This redirect page, Lavonia-Carnegie Library, is about the Carnegie Library in the town of Lavonia, Georgia. Of course, hyphens are used when combining two of the same type of thing, e.g. the Smith-Jones house, the Dallas-Ft. Worth area, but is it correct to use it when one is a town and the other is a person's last name? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:12, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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