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October 12

Cuban sonic attack

Is there a WP article on the Cuban sonic attack -- or whatever you call it? 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:852E:7393:15B7:B79E (talk) 22:52, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I only found mention in existing articles Embassy of the United States, Havana#Alleged health attacks and Sonic weapon#Usage and deployment. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Hmmm ... okay. — [OP]:2606:A000:4C0C:E200:9480:46FD:8725:3114 (talk) 07:50, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
I wondered why the source can't be located. I should think installing listening devices throughout the embassy would allow for triangulation on the source whenever it is turned on. And, since I doubt that the Cuban government is responsible, since they want US tourism dollars, I'd have to think they would cooperate to arrest whoever is at that location. Would a focused beam be harder to detect in this way ? Some type of moving source is also possible, but coordination with video surveillance should reveal if a passing van is responsible, and hopefully take a pic of the license plate. Also, the obvious place to relocate the embassy is GITMO, where it can be better protected. StuRat (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I didn't intend this to be a "request for opinion or debate"; that being said,...
Perhaps the Cuban government is not "responsible", but it is inconceivable that something like this could occur in totalitarian Cuba without official consent, or at least their knowledge. [OP]:2606:A000:4C0C:E200:4C0B:CDC2:99AA:D3FA (talk) 18:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't see why. Can you explain why Cuba would try to improve relations with the US while allowing an attack on the US embassy ? Seems quite irrational, and while NK fits that profile, the Cuban government of late seems rather pragmatic. I can imagine a hard-liner communist faction in Cuba trying to undercut diplomatic easing, but that would operate outside the government, without their consent or knowledge. StuRat (talk) 22:12, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Its hard to find evidence of factions within the monolithic and ubiquitous MININT: [1] 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:198D:93E0:4AF4:F57D (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
How would it be possible for a government to not have factions ? However, I can see them being hidden, if operating publicly would get their members arrested or killed. StuRat (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Did you actually read the articles (and perhaps the associated refs)? Most experts find the public claims implausible. They have noted things like how even many mobile phones could be used to help find evidence when the attacks were allegedly happening, as well as the size of the equipment needed, the difficulty targetting the attacks, the difficulty of penetrating the walls or even air if ultrasound was involved (meaning that the devices would probably have been inside the room where the person was attacked, if not closer). So either the US (& maybe Canadians) actually know a lot more than they are public suggesting, or the claims of a sonic attack are simply wrong. In other words "I wondered why the source can't be located" is not particularly germane since most likely either the sources were located, or they simply don't exist, and even in terms of the questions that are out there about this attack, it's way down on the list of "stuff which doesn't make sense". Nil Einne (talk) 07:42, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

October 13

Physical Punishment(s)

Trolling
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What is the harshest physical punishment individual(s) could['ve] ever receive[d] in the history of human kind, in the physical realm? 202.134.13.128 (talk) 09:11, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

That would be a matter of opinion so we can't answer that. You can however start here: List_of_methods_of_torture and decide for yourself. You can also google something like "worst methods of torture". 196.213.35.146 (talk) 10:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Define "harsh". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:04, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Human cruelty knows no bounds, from history some particularly famous gruesome methods of phyiscal punishment include being Hanged, drawn and quartered, flayed, impaled, crucified, having to watch the Cleveland Browns, etc. --Jayron32 11:09, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
If you're specifically thinking of methods of execution, you'll find many such lists [2] [3] [4] including, besides those already mentioned, stuff such as Scaphism. Although it always pays to make sure there's actually evidence for the method, e.g. Bamboo torture isn't backed by good evidence per our article. (Even scaphism doesn't seem to be that well supported considering the tendency of people to make up stuff about how evil someone else is.) I do agree with others though that it isn't realisticly possible to decide what is the worst, individuals will have their own opinions. I don't think you'll even find good sourcing (whether of experts or surveys) to gauge how people feel since it's simply to weird for people to be interested in ranking in that way so you'll just get stuff like those crappy lists. Nil Einne (talk) 12:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
In literature, for thousands of years, the loss of hope is repeated as the worst punishment. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 12:38, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
[citation needed]. --Jayron32 15:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Countered by the old saying "Where there's life, there's hope." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:16, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Inferno (Dante) is an obvious citation. MacBeth is another. It is Plato's generic hero theme: Hero is great. Hero fails. Hero loses hope. Hero gets help. Hero wins. Hooray! 71.85.51.150 (talk) 21:31, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
You might not think of hell as being in the physical realm - but Dante certainly did. Have a look at his description of the punishment of Judas Iscariot. Wymspen (talk) 15:51, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
No other mammal has such a disproportion between the size of the pelvic opening and that of the baby's head. Throughout history, maternal mortality was a leading cause of women's deaths. Childbirth is painful even when it goes well, and can go spectacularly wrong. Labour can last for days. To what extent can this be considered a physical punishment? There are plenty of groups within all Abrahamic religions who base their worldview on some version of "in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" - the pain of parturition is Eve's punishment for seeking knowledge. In other words, divine punishment. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 20:12, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Is the following possible: Breaking a bone into two and a ligament into two inside the body/skin, every time pain of each set reliefs/relieves? 202.134.13.132 (talk) 05:28, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

What are planning to do with all this information? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Masochist: “Hurt me!”

Sadist: “No.”

DOR (HK) (talk) 17:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

And you are hereby presented with the Old Joke of the Day award. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Baseball Bugs: Accquring the knowledge of What is the harshest physical punishment individual(s) could['ve] ever receive[d] in the history of human kind, in the physical realm?. Please stick to the point.
Now, is the following assumption possible i.e. Breaking a bone into two and a ligament into two inside the body/skin, every time pain of each set reliefs/relieves?
202.134.9.135 (talk) 08:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
If you're trying to gross us out, it's working. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:08, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Why do we have this thread?--WaltCip (talk) 13:11, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Do you want to box it up and/or delete it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
If it quacks like a troll... —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:4C0B:CDC2:99AA:D3FA (talk) 18:17, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
As 'registered users', your comments should've been better than this. It seems like you have forgotten the basics of WP guides. I would love to educate you, but will respect you three for being a registered user.
Try not to make a fool out of yourself next time.
202.134.13.137 (talk) 07:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
No, do please educate me. I'm a slow learner.--WaltCip (talk) 12:19, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
It appears he's talking to the IPv6 address rather than anyone else here. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The dynamic IPv6 editor with 1000s of article space edits since 2009, was just following-up on the implication that the thread should be boxed and/or deleted due to the evident (successful) attempts of the OP to elicit reactions instead of solicit information. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:198D:93E0:4AF4:F57D (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for re-stating the reason why it should be boxed up. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

October 14

Landline phone problem

I have a Carrera Classic Plus landline phone that can either be used without a PSU (limited functionality) or with one (full functionality). However, whenever the PSU is plugged into the phone, there is an unpleasant level of static noise, making the phone impractical to use. Whilst I can return the phone, I got it at a good price and would prefer not to if it can be helped. What might the problem be, and what can I do?--Leon (talk) 14:35, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Have you talked to the one who sold it to you? There might be a good reason you got it cheap. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:04, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
You might try to exchange it rather than return it. Most retailers prefer exchanges over returns, as that way they don't have to give back any money. StuRat (talk) 15:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
In principle, a power conditioner may help. In practice, it may cost more than the phone, and not help much or at all. SemanticMantis (talk) 19:48, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Does the phone have batteries in addition to the PSU? If so, do you have them installed? In some situations with some devices, the batteries act sort of like a noise filter to suppress noise on the power line. -Arch dude (talk) 20:51, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

October 15

Aircraft evacuation slides

I was watching Non-Stop on the telly last night, and in the final scene, the passengers are evacuated from the crash-landed airliner by an inflatable chute which had a series of vertical perpendicular posts along the sides like this. I was curious about the purpose of these upright parts, but our Evacuation slide doesn't mention them. Any ideas? Alansplodge (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Throwing out wild guesses and arguing about the appropriateness of doing so.
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Just a guess, but perhaps they are to keep people from going over the edge. In real world conditions, there could be rather extreme wind and/or waves, and the slide may be twisted, not straight. There's also a net on the side, to catch people who do go over the edge, but that's a last resort, and may not be part of the slide, just an add-on at the test facility. (And even if it was included with the slide, they may not have time to disentangle people from a net during an emergency.) There could also be a psychological reason, that the vertical posts look like a solid wall from the POV of a passenger about to go down, and make them less reluctant to go, and therefore faster. StuRat (talk) 19:57, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
8 minutes after the OP posts the question, you jump in with a guess? Akld guy (talk) 21:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
2 hours after, and you jump in with nothing useful whatsoever ? StuRat (talk) 22:09, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
It would be useful if you would quit trying to be first off the block with guesses and unreferenced OR "I think it's this" posts. Akld guy (talk) 23:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
He was correctly suggesting that I was hoping for a reference; if one can be found, I will add it to the article. Alansplodge (talk) 22:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Would that he had said that, rather than taking shots at another editor. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't see anything in Evacuation slide that answers this question. On Google Images, there are various types with various styles. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
According to this,[5] those things are tent poles. I note that the first questioner also guessed, but he guessed right. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:26, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Baseball Bugs, that's solved the mystery. Can anybody find anything I can use as a reference for the article please? I spent the last 20 minutes Googling with no success. Alansplodge (talk) 16:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
That forum uses the following source (but I haven't attempted to verify):
"Tulmar Safety Systems: Engineered for Aviation & Defence protection". www.tulmar.com. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:198D:93E0:4AF4:F57D (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
This looks possible - [6]. The plane is the Airbus 330 which might also lead to the manufacturer of the slides. Wymspen (talk) 17:18, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, but neither actually mentions either the canopy or the posts. Alansplodge (talk) 12:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

October 16

Kawasaki Leo Star

why is kawasaki Leo Star is not in the list?Hope to read more about this motorcycle thnx..https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kawasaki_motorcycles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.105.208.178 (talkcontribs)

It is not there because nobody wrote anything about it at Wikipedia. Wikipedia text is written by random volunteers from around the world (exactly like you!) and anything which is not at Wikipedia, but belongs, is invited. If you do some research outside of Wikipedia, and find enough information to create an article, please do so! We welcome your help! --Jayron32 11:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Kawasaki Leostar SSR Picture and specifications,Video 1, 2, 3. Blooteuth (talk) 14:02, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Where is this from? (laughing chimp with large handgun)

(Chimp holding a smoking gun almost the size of it's torso and laughing) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I added to the title to make it more useful. StuRat (talk) 21:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
It's Mr. Stubbs from Toby Tyler. Here he is turning the gun on himself. It was a simpler time. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
IMDb has nothing at all on who played the chimp, but MousePlanet says he was kidnapped from the Belgian Congo in 1956, bought for $1,000 in 1957 and appeared on The Jack Benny Program in 1959. Then he lived happily ever after on a Las Vegas ranch. Maybe still does. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, October 16, 2017 (UTC)
Chimps can live to be 70 or more, so it is possible. StuRat (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Kokomo Jr. worked on network TV over four decades before dying in his fifties. He has all of two IMDb credits to show for it. No respect from Wikipedia. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:42, October 17, 2017 (UTC)
If Kokomo Jr. were still alive, or if one were to write an article on a similar non-human but living actor, would BLP considerations apply? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.0.129.189 (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
No.--Shantavira|feed me 09:12, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I see nothing there specifying that only humans are considered persons in this context, whereas the article Person itself discusses the argued personhood of non-humans at some length and links to other pertinent articles touching on the subject. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.0.129.189 (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Is it possible to defame, libel or slander a non-human? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:59, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
A few of the hardy among us pick the career of being sexomasochistically tortured in hexadecuple HD so it only seems possible to libel 99.X% of humans (in reality, in the law this may not be true) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

October 17

Naming convention

Hi, I would just like to ask the proper naming convention on settlements. As far as I know, Village, Province format is used, unless there are two villages with the same name within the same province. In that case Village, District, Province would be used. Is this correct? Or am I missing something? (Central Data Bank (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC))

If you're refering to Wikipedia naming conventions, it's complicated. Wikipedia settlement naming conventions generally vary depending on local use, and articles will have different titling conventions depending on where in the world the settlement is. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) is a rather large document, but you can probably find the convention for the part of the world you are working in. There are LOTS of subpages by country or region to help you out. --Jayron32 19:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Hardware identification

I am reupholstering seats on a boat, 2003 Sugar Sand Mirage. There is some rusted out hardware which i am having a hard time identifying. They are steel plug/clips which were pushed into a hole. Then a plastic post is pushed in and gripped by it. The headrest has the plastic posts extending from it and the main body of the chair has the holes. I would appreciate help naming this piece of hardware some I can source it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C4D5:DF60:B9EE:B3CA:FBFD:EF8E (talk) 21:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC) https://www.flickr.com/photos/somedumbaddress/37503893370/in/datetaken/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/somedumbaddress/37503890680/in/datetaken/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C4D5:DF60:FD57:922B:4DC7:DB82 (talk) 21:44, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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