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March 8

Disco rockers

Disco became so omnipresent in the 1970s that even mainstream rockers got into the act. Most notorious is probably Rod Stewart's "Da Ya Think I'm Sexy?" (where, let's face it, the spelling alone can turn a stomach), but he was by no means alone: The Rolling Stones had "Emotional Rescue" and "Miss You", The Eagles had "One of These Nights", and even Led Zeppelin had "Carouselambra" (which we charitably characterize as hard rock/progressive rock). I'd like to find more examples of this. Specifically, artists primarily known for rock/pop that sold their souls to disco for a track or two. In comparison, the Bee Gees were certainly pop rockers for years before switching to disco, but that was a complete shift in style and they're now almost entirely identified with their disco music - that might be of interest, but it's not primarily what I'm after. Any suggestions? Matt Deres (talk) 00:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Paul McCartney's "Silly Love Songs" had kind of a disco beat. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:26, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
There's a category for Disco, which might lead to many answers to your question. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Heart of Glass is one of the most famous examples of this. --Viennese Waltz 09:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure that Blondie would qualify for the OP's criteria, if only because Blondie defies categorization into a genre (somewhat deliberately). They dabbled in just about everything at the time; so classifying them as a "mostly rock band doing one disco song" is harder than with other examples. I also considered nominating Bowie for his Let's Dance period; but similarly Bowie is so much all over the map, musically, it would not have been an uncharacteristic one-off thing. --Jayron32 14:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
I disagree completely. Blondie's first two albums were pretty much straightforward post punk/new wave. One of the reasons Heart of Glass was such a massive hit was that it was so completely different from anything they had ever done before. It's THE example of a rock band turning to disco. --Viennese Waltz 15:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough; though I'd quibble that it marked the transition for Blondie to a more diverse musical style. I get your point on chronology, but looking at the bredth of Blondie's catalog shows a very eclectic set of influences. The band had 4 US number 1s: "Heart of Glass", "Call Me", "Rapture", and "The Tide is High"; of those only "Call Me" is a rock track. The others are clearly Disco, Reggae, and Hip-Hop. The band is really hard to pin down as "rock". Their earlier more punk albums notwithstanding, this was not an easy to categorize band. --Jayron32 17:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
  • "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen. --Jayron32 12:40, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
    Some other lists: [1], [2]. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that certain elements of disco were in rock before they were in disco, for example the hi-hat ride that is a characteristic of disco drumming was used extensively by Ian Paice of Deep Purple; you can hear it in songs like "Woman from Tokyo", a song that predates disco by several years. It isn't always clear that disco itself influenced a rock band to add elements like that. Other elements of Disco come from funk music, which may have independently influenced rock bands to add similar elements without direct reference to disco. --Jayron32 12:49, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the links and suggestions so far! I'd completely gapped on a couple of these. Good call out on the edge cases, though in most cases there's an element of knowing it when you hear it. Matt Deres (talk) 14:17, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

March 9

Actors and actresses from the 1930s through the 1950s who didn't smoke

Does anyone know any actors and actresses from the 1930s through the 1950s who didn't smoke? MisterH2005 (talk) 05:28, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

In Hollywood, James Cagney, Joe E. Brown, Janet Gaynor, Anita Louise, Roy Roberts, Vinton Hayworth, Colleen Moore, Gene Autry, Clayton Moore, Roy Rogers, Bob Hope, Robert Cummings, Nehemiah Persoff, Julie Adams, Ann Robinson, Mamie Van Doren, Sam Jaffe, William Boyd, Brian Donlevy, Joel Mccrea, Joan Leslie, David Niven, Otis Harlan, Mae West, Karl Malden, Jennifer Jones, Jimmy James, Eva Marie Saint, Fred Astaire, Erik Rhodes, Glenda Farrell, Frances Dee, Fay Wray, Eddie Albert (of Green Acres fame), Ed Begley Sr., Sidney Poitier, Alan Young, Maureen O'Hara, Charlton Heston, Dolores del Rio, Johnny Weissmuller, Neil Hamilton, Vic Damone, Jane Powell, Peter Marshall (whose sister was Joanne Dru), Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, Red Skelton, and Alan Napier were all non-smokers.
Of the 1954 Japanese film Seven Samurai, Daisuke Kato and Minoru Chiaki were the only title character actors who were non-smokers. The others (Toshiro Mifune, Takashi Shimura, Seiji Miyaguchi, Yoshio Inaba, and Isao Kimura) smoked heavily. Ken Takakura was one Japanese actor who was a non-smoker (he started acting in 1956). Yellow Sunstreaker (talk) 05:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Fascinating. What's your source? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:45, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Lots of internet research, and in some cases, personal communication with the actors themselves (telephone interview with Ann Robinson and Nehemiah Persoff, facebook interview with Julie Adams). Yellow Sunstreaker (talk) 20:36, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Unless User:Yellow Sunstreaker comes back to us with a source, the same list is quoted on this forum thread but without attribution. Alansplodge (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Brian Donlevy certainly played a smoker, in Song of Scheherazade. In one scene, he had to quickly hide the fact that he was smoking, and secreted his lit cigarette inside his mouth. Not a bad trick for a non-smoker. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 07:22, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

March 11

Moonraker -- Fleming borrowing from Verdi?

In Ian Fleming's Moonraker, when Hugo Drax places James Bond and Gala Brandt (aka Holly Goodhead) under the rocket to burn up, did Fleming borrow this scene from the last scene of Giuseppe Verdi's opera Aida (where Radames is buried alive under the temple, and Aida willingly joins him there to die with him)? Or did he come up with it all by himself? 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:71B8:6856:E929:5E71 (talk) 10:09, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

If you can't find it on a forum somewhere, you'll probably have to ask him. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:54, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Which may be hard, given Ian Fleming died over fifty years ago. That said, Aida is one of the best-known operas in the world, so it's likely he was familiar with the story. --Xuxl (talk) 20:50, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
The theme of an escape from certain death is very ancient - probably going back to the Odyssey and Odysseus' escape from Polyphemus. A good 19th century example, predating Aida, would be The Count of Monte Christo. Every Bond book I recall reading, and every film I have seen, contains at least one scene where Bond's life is in danger, but he somehow escapes - usually due to the stupidity of his captors who never realise that they should put a bullet through his head rather than doing something fiendish which will take time and allow him the chance to get away. When Moonraker was written rockets were new and exciting - it undoubtedly made a good plot line. Wymspen (talk) 10:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Although what the OP describes is not an escape from certain death, but Bond's lover (at the time) joining him in a situation where the two face an almost certain demise, in order to be together in death. I presume they escape (if not, Moonraker would have been the final Bond film) but the trope being discussed is someone joining a lover in a doomed situation in order not to survive without him/her. --Xuxl (talk) 15:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
There is nothing voluntary about it (at least not in the book - I can't recall the detail from the film), so if that is the key point then there is no real similarity with Aida at all. Wymspen (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

March 12

TBS movie

I remember watching a movie on TBS, but I can't quite remember the name. It was a romance/comedy/drama with two men and a woman. One of the men is a businessman who closes an important deal with an Asian-looking business group. He goes to a celebration (I think it was for the birth of his child) with his wife, who he's having disputes with. The second man starts dating a woman and they go to baseball games, restaurants, etc. I remember one scene where she makes him pull her boots off but he runs out, goes to the first man's celebration, and kisses his wife. The ending was that the two men wake up, finally in their own bodies. I was just wondering if anyone knows which movie this is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Your penultimate line is the important one here - you probably should have led with that. :-) That gimmick is known as a body swap. We actually have an (incomplete) list of movies featuring body swaps here. Have a look and see if anything strikes a memory with you. TV shows are just further down. Going by that list, most body swap movies centre on the contrast of having differing personalities switch bodies; having two grown men swap bodies seems rather uncommon, to the point where it looks like that movie is not on our list and/or suggestive that maybe you're confused about what actually happened. Matt Deres (talk) 13:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Why does Rey have a posh accent in Star Wars?

I don’t think it’s that interesting to look for in-Universe explanations why Star Wars characters sound American and some sound British, But j Am interested in why the filmmakers either allowed or encouraged the actress Daisy Ridley to speak all her lines using the Queen’s English.

I think that accent worked in previous films for characers like Obi Wan kenobi (a highly educated monk) and Grand Moff Tarkin (a cruel patrician ruler), Rey is a scavenger from an extremely humble background. So even though there’s no upper class England in Star Wars, it makes sense to our ears as an audience why Kenobi or Tarkin would talk that way.

Can there be any justification for Rey’s accent? Again, not looking for reasons why some Star Wars characters talk American and others talk British—I’m just asking about that particular dialect.

I’ve never seen any other movies or TV shows with Ridley.Can she do a more working class accent? She seems like a capable actress-- (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

There is one very good justification: she is English. She may have been directed "Talk like you talk". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if there's a Star Wars canon on which groups of people have which english accents. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
See: Rey's English accent in Star Wars: The Force Awakens is a clue about her parents,
also: Star Wars Accents Primer: How Rey's Voice Is The Biggest Clue To Who She Is. Alansplodge (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

What music played on SNL March 10?

A man on the street interviewed people to ask whether they liked rock or rap better. During much of this time, really loud rock music was playing.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Can you find a youtube link? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I'll do that later this week. Doesn't the entire SNL episode appear online? This was one of the last things they did.
I've still got "viewer discretion advised" with "The Mick" on a DVR if there's a way to send the entire video.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand this comment. Do you have the part of the show in question on DVR or not? If you do, just do what everyone else will do and Shazam or otherwise reverse lookup the music. Matt Deres (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
The SNL episode I deleted. I still have "The Mick" but don't know how I would use Shazam or anything else with a DVR.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
If you have an Android capable phone, you type in the Google box "What is this song". Then it listens to the song and tells you the name. I don't know if Apple products have a similar feature, but I suspect they do. --Jayron32 23:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
They do. Siri can be summoned to listen to songs and identify them. However, I still don't understand the comment. User:Vchimpanzee, do you have access to the song or do you not? Your references to "The Mick" mean nothing to me. If you have access to the song, play it and have your cell phone identify it. Matt Deres (talk) 03:31, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
To clarify further, Soundhound and Shazam are both on iOS and Android. So if you're willing and able to install apps on your smart phone and have either of these OSes then you should be able to use them. They're usage is fairly obvious when you try them. You click the button and then it listens to the music. So you open the app, start the music and push the button. As mentioned, its likely default apps can also do this. (If the music is very short, push the button then start the music.) As for whether it will work with the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2018 February 28#What is the Viewer Discretion Advised music on "The Mick"? I don't know. It could be this is just a minor piece of music either composed for the purpose or obtained from one of the many royalty free music services. And I suspect the part may also be very short and the voiceover isn't likely to help. But it can't hurt to try. Nil Einne (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Me have phone have buttons on it. Plug into wall. Jane wash clothes in river. Tarzan hunt. Find clip.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 13:54, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

March 14

Name of a B movie comedy about about an air hostess/stewardess

I can't remember the film's name. The plot is about a frustated chubby brunnette (wearing glasses) who is envious of her blonde high school colleague who she thinks is a Concorde air hostess but (as is later revealed) is actually a prostitute/call girl. The only thing the chubby girl is proud of is that she was the only person in her class to know the answer to the question: "What was mankind's most important invention?". She answered "The Fire" Mdob (talk) 20:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Not much to go on. Best I could come up with is Stewardess School. (At least we learn what happened to Ralph Malph after he got out of high school.) Clarityfiend (talk) 00:21, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, not much to go on, but that looks like a really good suggestion. User:Mdob, if that's not your movie, we're going to need some more info. Do we have an idea of the year? Is it American? Comedy/drama/thriller? Matt Deres (talk) 03:36, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Shirley Valentine (film). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, unsigned user, you nailed it. It's Shirley Valentine indeed. As it tuned out i made some mistakes:
  • The main actress Pauline Collins doesn't wear glasses, altough she is (somewhat) chubby. (I may have confused her with Ugly Betty or something).
  • It's not a B movie but an award winning film based on a play.
Thank you all ♥Clarityfiend ♥Matt Deres ♥unsigned user
Mdob (talk) 11:23, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

March 15


According to our article, this is "the single largest such website on the internet, hosting more videos than any similar site". However, the article does not really explain the legal situation with regard to copyright questions: How can all these videos be watched legally without paying?--Converto (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

afaik the company that owns it is MindGeek which also owns a ton of porn sites. So they're showing their own videos. They make money from ads, like most free sites.Sheila1988 (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

They have a "Content Remove Request?" page. That's not really a question and Wikipedia won't let me link it, but it otherwise seems like a perfectly reputable takedown notification system. Any illegal content you find simply hasn't been reported yet, and Pornhub can pass the blame to the uploader for that. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:09, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
More information on law and money, generally, at Porn 2.0. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:16, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
In this New York Times op-ed, Stoya notes "But this context is usually stripped out when a work is pirated and uploaded to one of the many “free tube” sites that offer material without charge. These sites are where the bulk of pornography is being viewed online, and by definition don’t require a credit card". (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
If I remember Louis Theroux's Twilight of the Porn Stars correctly, I think at one point they said that the 2000s saw a boom in "Mom and Pop" (often quite literally) porn producers (using affordable digital video cameras and distributing on DVD). A decade later, these people were out of the business (having not made much money anyway). While their product is still copyright, they're not really in a position to police or defend that copyright very effectively. They might be able to sell the copyrights to some currently active company, but probably not for very much (and, as the production company was owned by the people appearing in the videos) they might want that part of their lives to quietly melt away. So if someone rips the DVDs and puts them on a tube site, it's unlikely that anyone is going to file the necessary takedown paperwork. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 00:30, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
While it's true that some of the content is commercial content of some sort hosted without the copyright owners permission, and some probably a fairly small amount is genuinely non commercial content which may or may not have the copyrights permission and may or may not have the permission of the participants i.e. truly user generated content; from what I've read a fair amount of the content is actually hosted with the copyright holders permission. The right holder comes to an agreement and probably gets some revenue and in addition links to their site etc. They probably also pay commissions to the porn sharing site for any signups which come from them. See [3]. I presume they only share some of their works, and sometimes maybe only part of the clip. I've never read stats on what percentage is what, although this would also depends on what you count (views, length, clip numbers). P.S. To be clear, I'm sure there are other stuff besides simple cases I outlined earlier, e.g. compilations, recently apparently videos where faces have been replaced etc; most likely most of these without the copyright holders permission. Nil Einne (talk) 04:23, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

March 16

Hell's Kitty

The movie Hell's Kitty distributed by Wild Eye Releasing and starring a host of horror icons has no wikipedia page. Is there a process by which newly distributed movies can get at least a basic reference on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't see it satisfying WP:NFILM. It doesn't have A-list stars (Kelli Maroney only rings a bell because of her work in Night of the Comet) or any reviews. Has it even been released yet? IMDb only shows a DVD release date of March 27.[4] Clarityfiend (talk) 08:10, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

"or any reviews"

You may be wrong on that account. The film's entry in Rotten Tomatoes has three reviews. Though they mostly point out that the film is re-editing footage from a web series that was released in 2011. Dimadick (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Getting it an article may be hard, but one basic reference can at least have it mentioned at the director's, stars' or producer's articles. Maroney's filmography section is already totally unsourced, so it may be safe (though not technically proper) to simply add Hell's Kitty beneath Dark Star Hollow. It doesn't give much room for detail, but it'll show up in search results. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:27, March 16, 2018 (UTC)

Template:Animation industry in the Republic of China

In case the SD request fails: Can somebody maybe look into that template? I am not sure, in fact, whether this navbox is of real use...--Converto (talk) 09:54, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

March 17

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