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June 11

Ronaldinho's penalty v. Croacia, 1999

During the Last 16 phase of 1999 FIFA World Youth Championship, Ronaldinho scored the cheekiest of penalties (Panenka is a "little baby" compared to this) versus Croatia. Unfortunately, I can't find the video. Can you please provide it? (talk) 02:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

If it's not on YouTube, I think the chances of anyone here being able to provide it are pretty remote. --Viennese Waltz 07:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@ In that game, Ronaldinho scored two goals including one penalty, while Fernando Baiano scored another penalty. After some searching I found the penalty taken by Baiano, and I'd say it's really really cheeky. I also found Ronaldinho's other goal, itself a nice one, but not his penalty. Are you sure it's not actually Baiano's penalty that you're searching for? If Ronaldinho's was even cheekier, then I too am very eager to see it. --Theurgist (talk) 20:06, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh wow, succumbed to Ronaldinho craze :) Well done for being so investigative. (talk) 02:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

1940s ladies' hairstyle

Can someone help me find a name for and/or a photo of a particular 1940s ladies' hairstyle? In the back, the hair is kept long and somehow rolled or braided so there is a rounded bulk of hair (like a stuffed pizza crust) at the ends that connects both sides. It's similar to a Chignon, looks like something Yulia Tymoshenko might wear. Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Victory rolls? Rojomoke (talk) 03:40, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
RojomokeClose, thank you! When I googled "victory rolls back of head", nothing matched. Something akin to without the braid.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Would this fall under "victory rolls"? It's closer than I've found.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
The hair stylist on our service floor said that is a "rolled updo". (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Like this?2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 09:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Fantastic, thank you all!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

June 14

Caves of steel

Why is it, in Isaac Asimov's Robot series, that all Earthlings live underground? In his universe, was there a nuclear war long before the first part of the series which forced all people to take shelter in the "caves of steel"? Or is there another, less obvious explanation? 2601:646:8A00:A0B3:7158:3B89:88CF:A2DC (talk) 06:34, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Haven't read Asimov in a long time, but if I remember correctly, overcrowding, living "inside" is comfortable and civilized, and by the time of Caves of steel many Earth-humans has developed a phobia for going outside. The protagonist later forms a "go outside" movement. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
The article The Caves of Steel notes that Asimov was a claustrophile (I seem to recall that he wrote in a memoir that, as a youth, he liked to read in an enclosed space), so it might just have been a reflection of his own personal preference. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
As an adult, he also habitually wrote in a windowless room. He wrote somewhere that he felt that the indoor existence in TCoS would be ideal for him, and was surprised after publication that others saw it as undesirable. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 23:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Another WAG is that since the Spacers (a human offshoot) barred Earth humans from colonizing other planets, they may have initially shut themselves in to avoid being reminded of their powerlessness. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
WAG = Wild-Ass Guess (I had to look it up). Alansplodge (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Probably not relevant, but in The Shape of Things to Come by H G Wells (1933), after 1960 everyone lives underground because cheap electricity means that they don't need windows for light. Alansplodge (talk) 10:46, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

What's the strongest ranked men's national soccer team that's never played at least 1 of the teams currently ranked stronger EVER?

(friendlies not counting)

2. (maybe a little easier to find out): What's the strongest team that hasn't met every team currently stronger than it in the World Cup? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:08, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Wouldn't the answer, by definition, be whoever's currently ranked #1? --M@rēino 21:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh right. Well that was a poor way of wondering about the below. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

What's the strongest pair of men's national soccer teams that haven't played each other in a non-friendly?

Where strongest is for simplicity defined by the current official ranking of the weaker half of the pair. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

In the FIFA ranking, Portugal is currently 4th while Argentina is 5th. The two have have met 6 times in "pure" friendlies and twice in minor tournaments, in 1964 and in 1972. FIFA usually considers such matches international friendlies and counts them as such for the FIFA ranking, although there was no FIFA ranking back then. Does this count? --Theurgist (talk) 22:16, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
I would say so. I wouldn't have guessed it'd be as strong as the 4th and 5th best but apparently it is. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Until the final game of the 2002 FIFA World Cup, Brazil and Germany had never met in the World Cup, as incredible as this may seem, given they were at the time (and still are) the two countries that had played the most World Cup matches. They have met just one other time since, in a match the Brazilians would as soon forget. --Xuxl (talk) 13:31, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
The World Cup qualification consists of separate qualifying tournaments for each continental zone and rare inter-continental play-offs. Pretty much all other occasions where teams from different continents can meet competitively are the World Cup itself, the smaller-scale, more recently established Confederations Cup, and certain continental championships such as South America's Copa América which invite outsiders to participate.
So, there's a good chance that two teams from different continents have never played each other in a non-friendly. Peru is currently ranked 11th, but in its four World Cup appearances so far (excluding the current one) has played against only two of the seven European teams currently ranked above it: (West) Germany and Poland. The team is set to meet France during this World Cup's group stage, but still won't have played against Belgium, Portugal, Switzerland or Spain. --Theurgist (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Images of the demolition of the Basketball Arena (London) and the Pyeongchang Olympic Stadium

Are there any known public images of the London Olympics Basketball Arena being dismantled? I've tried searching everywhere and was unable to find any. Also, has the Pyeongchang Olympic Stadium been dismantled yet? If so, are there any known public images of the dismantling? The article states that it's been demolished, but the statement has a "citation needed" tag. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:13, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Googling the subject "pyeongchang olympic stadium demolition" indicates it was planned to tear it down in March, but there's no report I'm seeing on it having been demolished. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:51, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I have now added a reference based on an article I recently read. I have been unable to find an image, however. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikimedia commons has 46 images related to the Basketball arena here. (That page is the Arena article's sole External link.) The 44th shows it in a state of partial dismantlement. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230 195} (talk) 03:01, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Specifically File:Olympic park dismantling. Alansplodge (talk) 10:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Couldn't they have just built it near Gangneung Stadium like the other indoor sports and given Gangneung FC a somewhat bigger stadium to use afterwards? Or enhanced Gangneung Stadium? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

June 16

Tattoos on Chinese TV

After the recent Eurovision Song Contest, I now realize that tattoos have never been an issue during sports events like the FIFA World Cup or the Olympic Games. Even historical dramas sometimes have characters with some sort of body ink although this is debatable since it's fiction. Can anybody explain or cite the official regulations? Does it only apply to TV or to all sorts of media? Because Messi endorses the Chinese dairy company Mengniu and his right arm is not covered for the photo. --2001:16B8:2E4A:2C00:51F1:C5AC:72F4:A841 (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

It's only been a thing since January,[1][2] with Chinese footballers having to cover up from March.[3] It appears to only apply to TV. Nanonic (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Sequence Break

Music's that were used/played in the movie, names are sought please. (talk) 18:44, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

What movie? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
There is a movie called "Sequence Break". Ian.thomson (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

What's the name of this song?

It goes something like this:"When I close my eyes and I see your face I know that I will be waiting for you. I will be waiting." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacewarper (talkcontribs) 19:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

If you go to any of these search engines and search for "close my eyes" "see your face" "be waiting", you'll find a variety of possible results. Since you forgot to mention the genre, possible artist, or any other information that anyone besides you would need to narrow this down, we really can't say. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:39, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

June 17

How many World Cup teams reached the knockout stage after losing to the group leader of a [3|3|0|0] group?

Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I assume you mean when a 4-team group has points [3|3|0|0] at some time before completion where a team has already lost a match to the group leader at the time. Before people consider looking through old World Cups they may want to know whether you really want what you ask for. Tournament structures have changed and I suspect you actually want something else.
  1. Do you want all sports, or only football World Cups, or only football World Cups for seniors, or only the FIFA World Cup for seniors men?
  2. Do you also want [3|3|0|0] when World Cups gave two points for a win (possible after three total matches), or do you want [2|2|0|0] for that?
  3. Do you really want them to reach the knockout stage or do you allow if they advanced from the first group stage to a second group stage?
  4. Do you allow cases where they advanced as one of the 3rd placed teams in 4-team groups?
  5. Do you allow cases where they came second but only one team advanced from the group?
  6. Do you allow both teams with 0 points in a [3|3|0|0] group, or only the team which lost to the group leader based on goal score? If the latter then do you allow both teams if the goal score is the same?
PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Only the FIFA® World Cup® for seniors men after they changed to 8 group cups of 4 teams each with the top half of the groups advancing and 3 points for a win. And actually perhaps it should be the 4th place team losing to the 2nd place team since that's probably a little harder of a comeback on average. Do the 40 groups with the current rules show 4th place teams of 3|3|0|0 groups having a better chance if the loss was to the leader? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
The 4th placed team of a 3|3|0|0 group has the worst goal score so the team which beat it has the best goal score. This can only be the leader. We only have to examine five World Cups: 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2014. Your scenario only has a chance in groups where an advancing team has a loss and it was in the first round. Turkey in 2002 and Ghana in 2006 advanced from 3|3|0|0 but they were 3rd and not 4th on goal score. Ukraine in 2006 overcame a 4th place after a 0-4 loss (with a 5-point gap in the end!) but it was a 3|1|1|0 group. Spain in 2010 was tied 3rd after two 1-0 matches in the group. Greece and Uruguay in 2014 satisfy all your conditions. No other teams do according to my check. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
After the points and the goal difference, the next tiebreaker is the number of goals scored. So if the opening two matches produce the same winning margin but different scorelines, it's now a [3|3|0|0] group where the 1st beat the 3rd and the 2nd beat the 4th, just like Group C right now. Moreover, fair play points or some other ranking systems are often used as even further tiebreakers. --Theurgist (talk) 21:18, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

June 18

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