Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

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Administrator instructions

Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

  • If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, you need not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
  • If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. Put a request to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests.
  • Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. That is not a sufficient condition. Please do not use it as the only reason to delete a redirect.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

The guiding principles of RfD

  • The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at a "Search results 1–10 out of 378" result instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
  • Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
  • If a good-faith RfD nomination has no discussion, the default result is delete.
  • Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
  • RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
  • Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
  • In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

  • a redirect may contain nontrivial edit history;
  • if a redirect is reasonably old (or a redirect is created as a result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is quite possible that its deletion will break links in old, historical versions of some other articles—such an event is very difficult to envision and even detect.

Note that there could exist (for example), links to the URL "" anywhere on the Internet. If so, then those links might not show up by checking for (clicking on) "WhatLinksHere for Attorneygate"—since those links might come from somewhere outside Wikipedia.

Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

  1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
  2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
  3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 may apply.) See also: § Neutrality of redirects.
  4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
  5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange. (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
  6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note "WP:" redirects are in the Wikipedia namespace, WP: being an alias for Wikipedia:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply in some cases.)
  7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to itself or to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8, though you should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first.
  8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.
  9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then it needs to be deleted to make way for move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion. If not, take the article to Requested Moves.
  10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

  1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
  2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links.
  3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
  4. You risk breaking incoming or internal links by deleting the redirect. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
  5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. or the pageviews tool can also provide evidence of outside utility.
  6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
  7. The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and deleting the redirect would prevent unregistered users from so expanding the redirect, and thereby make the encyclopedia harder to edit and reduce the pool of available editors. (Unregistered users cannot create new pages in the mainspace; they can only edit existing pages, including redirects, which they can expand). This criterion does not apply to redirects that are indefinitely semi-protected or more highly protected.

Neutrality of redirects

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names. Perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is therefore not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

  1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. ClimategateClimatic Research Unit email controversy).
  2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
  3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

See also: Policy on which redirects can be deleted immediately.

Closing notes

Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

Tag the redirect.

  Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion, and enter }} at the very end. Example:

{{subst:rfd|content=#REDIRECT [[Foo]]{{R from move}}}}
  • Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
    Nominated for RFD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
  • Save the page.
  • If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
  • If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the rfd tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination
List the entry on RfD.

 Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

  • Enter this text below the date heading:
{{subst:rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~
  • For this template:
    • Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
    • Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
  • Please use an edit summary such as:
    Nominating [[RedirectName]]
    (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
  • To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:
{{subst:rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~
  • If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
Notify users.

  It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the redirect. For convenience, the template

{{subst:RFDNote|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
  • Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.


Current list

April 25

April 24

Binibining Pilipinas Globe and others

This article was originally created as a redirect. It's superfluous and non-essential since the first word or two of the title will automatically direct you to Binibining Pilipinas article. Richie Campbell (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I combined the other entries as they all refer to titles within the Binibining Pilipinas event. Richie Campbell, please check/edit if I missed any of your comments. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

This article was originally created as a redirect. It's superfluous and non-essential since the first word or two of the title will automatically direct you to Binibining Pilipinas article. Also, this redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam.Richie Campbell (talk) 12:21, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep These all appear to be the names (and/or titles awarded to winners) of one or more Binibining Pilipinas competitions and so are likely search terms. Redundancy is not a reason to delete a redirect - not everybody searches using the internal search engine and the search suggestions only work for those with javascript enabled (which is not everybody). Redirects from official names related to the target are not spam or promotion, they exist to help readers find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
    • I'd also support retargetting as suggested below. Thryduulf (talk) 09:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete These all appear to be combinations of the name of the Philippine national beauty pageant + one or another unrelated international beauty pageant. I don't see any more reason to keep them than other frivolous combinations like Miss France Universe. – Uanfala (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to List of Binibining Pilipinas titleholders, where these titles are explained more in depth. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 21:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Not sure what this is supposed to be, as the target article does not include this word even once. Lordtobi () 20:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Retarget to Wave (gesture)? This emoji seems to represent a hand wave, not a hand itself. Steel1943 (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Category:Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Triology

Unlikely misspelling —swpbT 18:07, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Not particulary unlikely to misspell trilogy as triology (which redirects to Set Enterprises), but this is a category not in reader space, or at least not read in reader space, and editors should kno how to get it writ proply. Si Trew (talk) 03:28, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
DeleteAuthor himself wants deletion .The category was actually supposed to be named Category:User:Forceradical/Hitchikers guide to the Galaxy(fun)FORCE RADICAL (talk) 09:30, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Cavaliers-Warriors rivalry

Propose to delete, as it fails WP:RPURPOSE, since there are no specifics that define this rivalry in the redirect target section. Rivalry is an overused term in sports, and this is WP:OR to imply that one exists merely because of recentism that they have faced each other. Multiple reliable sources currently do not support a notable rivalry existing, other than mostly trivial usage of the term rivalry. If a rivalry truly existed, it's not neutral to redirect to one of the participants over the other. A standalone article would presumably be created. Alternatively, WP:RFD#DELETE would apply; namely No. 1: "The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine", preventing the reader the choice of going to History of the Golden State Warriors or History of the Cleveland Cavaliers (or other articles). —Bagumba (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Listed at WT:MILHIST, referring back to here. Si Trew (talk) 03:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Looks like I'm the fool, or maybe not. I had assumed this was a mistake for the Cavaliers and Roundheads, but that's my British bias, a schoolboy error like 1066 And All That. Apparently WP:BASKETBALL would be the better forum to ask. Still, maybe not very WP:WORLDWIDE then, the "rivalry". Let me close some tabs and I will check and do some WP:BEFORE. Si Trew (talk) 04:15, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
WP:RFD#D2 confusing, "rival" nor "rivalry" is at target. Si Trew (talk) 04:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Bluehole Inc.

This redirect seems like someone stealing links to their video game to advertise it. From what I can tell Tera has nothing to do with the videogame publisher Bluehole Inc. (creators of PlayerUnknown's_Battlegrounds). (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Going in Style (2016 film)

Not released in 2016. Steel1943 (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep This is an {{R from move}} as the film used to have a planned release for May 6, 2016. Here's the source the article uses to support that release date. As the pushback happened when the film was in production, and that it's only one year off (someone could easily misremember the film as being released in 2016 instead of 2017), I think this is a plausible redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 14:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Speedily keep per Tavix. Si Trew (talk) 03:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

This is linked in the external links section, but otherwise isn't at target, thus it is not a useful redirect and nearly make it a soapbox, delete. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:00, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 08:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, for once I am being the fly in the ointment on the "keep" side. Since the first two are oviously back-formations from "AA Vacations", why would we not keep that as [[WP::RFD#K5]] useful? Si Trew. Just to be sure, AA Holidays etc. are red. I don't think it means just to book a round trip. It means a package tour (in Brit. Eng.) I can understand delete all three or keep all three, but not to perm it that way. (talk) 02:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. I cannot imagine that anyone looking for information would not know to look under the airline. DGG ( talk ) 08:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Ready Player One (2016 film)

Not released in 2016. Scheduled for release in 2018. Steel1943 (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete Having edited the book page for a while, this is a failed crystal. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 10:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Despicable Me (TV series)

The Despicable Me franchise does not include a TV series. -- Tavix (talk) 03:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete no such TV series. Yes, they have animated shorts they show at Universal Studios Hollywood, but they aren't broadcast like TV episodes. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 11:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. A set of shorts that you can watch in kinda a random order, like Looney Toons cartoons or whatever, regardless of quality, is not a series. A series has to be watched 1-2-3-4.... I thought that was the definition of a series. That it is serial. Si Trew (talk) 03:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Agent Zigzag (film)

All of these redirects are to a director, actor, etc. that was rumored to be a part of a potential film. The problem, however, is that there is zero mention of such a film at the targets, so anybody who wants to know more about these potential films will end up confused or disappointed. Most of these films are in development hell. They may or may not progress to production, and the director, actors, production studio, etc. could all change before then. Therefore, these redirects should be red, and if any of these enter production, then an article on the film should be created. (As always, a raw list is available on the talk page.) -- Tavix (talk) 02:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I have a very small doubt about The Hauntrepreneur going to The Entrepreneur. I do realise it's a deliberate pun, but is it a likely typo? Boot is on other foot with me tonight/this morning, isn't it! Si Trew (talk) 03:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Salt (franchise)

Salt is a single film, not a franchise. A film franchise requires multiple films, and it doesn't appear that a sequel is going to happen (but then again, I don't have a crystal ball). -- Tavix (talk) 02:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Secret State Police

This is a general term targeting a specific term. Should target Secret police, Intelligence agency (largely due to the "State" part of the redirect name) or something similar. Not opposed to moving it to a more WP:R#USEFUL name, deleting it, or disambiguating it. I am opposed to keeping it as is. Mr. Guye (talk) 00:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep as translation of "Secret State Police (Geheime Staats Polizei)". [1] as listed in the lead paragraph. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 11:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Secret Police. To User:AngusWOOF]: There are many articles with many translations of this name in various lanuages. I don't think to pick one translation is a particularly useful one. It's kinda {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. We do also have Police State -> Police state, and I suppose the two are similar but probably far enough apart to keep them distinct for now, crosshatting each to the other. That particular article has a pic article from the Stasi. We could DAB it, but I am not sure we need to. Si Trew (talk) 03:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

April 23


Does this Emoji always represent flirtation? Mr. Guye (talk) 04:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

  • No. I think of it as a kind compliment to someone, given on the side of the conversation. --SmokeyJoe (talk), —Preceding undated comment added 05:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to kiss - Unicode calls it "FACE THROWING A KISS". – Train2104 (t • c) 15:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Kiss per Train2104. Steel1943 (talk) 18:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. We are not emoji-pedia. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to kiss; emojis are just like any other symbol, which we redirect to their meaning in order to clarify the symbol itself for people whose browsers aren't compatible with displaying the emoji. Nyttend (talk) 02:41, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per Train2104. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Air kiss. @Train2104, Steel1943, Nyttend, and Patar knight: Air kiss (blow a kiss redirects there) seemingly meets the definition of this symbol more precisely. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:58, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: kiss or air kiss?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


No sense. Mr. Guye (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Confession: It was a joke, based on voice effects in Wolfenstein 3D (where "Gestapo" sounded like "Hubbabba"). Not a serious contribution. /Yvwv (talk) 09:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Taken to WP:CSD. I like jokes, but tend to get told off for mine in discussion pages, let alone in the article namespace. I didn't find it very funny in either sense. Listed at CSD. Si Trew (talk) 03:38, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Bruetal Legend

What is this nonsense? This is obviously a heavy metal umlaut, not a German-language umlaut for which "ue" is an alternative spelling.  ‑ Iridescent 20:00, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. The video game title isn't tied to Germany and is as useful stylization as the dotted n in Spinal Tap. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 11:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
This has actually gone through a start-up by User:Eubot from Brütal Legend, User:Addbot has then fixed a double redirect on 13 Dec 2008 about six months later, User:RussBot has fixed it a another double redirect about six weeks later, and then it comes here via human editor. For all practical purposes this is a eubot creation, but it has gone round the houses by two other bots since. Delete. I don't think it is quite a Metal umlaut in the sense of a band that uses that (lefe there starts " a diacritic that is sometimes used gratuitously or decoratively over letters in the names of hard rock or heavy metal bands"), the nearest I get to that is the Radio 4 UK Theme), but definitely it is not a Germanic umlaut, it is just a stylistic mark as the cover pic clearly shows. Si Trew (talk) 03:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
'Comment I have been told off for more than once recently for not doing my homework and for saying eubot is not a reason for deletion. I do not know which slap I should give to User:Iridescent

for this one. Si Trew (talk) 03:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Actually since I am trying to be light-hearted perhaps I should created the Radio 4 üK Theme. Thanks very much to you all for listing these eubot ones, if only accidentally, while I have been staying away on nobody's advice but my own to stop flooding RfD with eubot ones. I do try to strike a balance, cos I know it floods. I tend to be on different shifts from those in the US, Canada and the Far East and even in the UK by a bit, so I tend to list when I think other people aren't listing. Thanks for listing them. One more down the pan, I think. Si Trew (talk) 03:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Warren Truss Bridge

See Warren truss. This is an old and miscapitalised version of Warren truss bridge, a legit redirect to a section. No inbound links from mainspace. This would have been a WP:CSD#R3, except that it's not newly created. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:28, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

... but its target should match Warren truss bridge. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
It looks like it does now. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 11:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Although there isn't a particular bridge named after Warren Truss, the caps version is used regularly and makes for the most likely target. [2] [3] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 11:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
But that is no reason to have a redirect. MediaWiki deals with mapping such searches onto a flattened case-space, we don't need to build redirects for each and every article, so we shouldn't do it exceptionally for this one. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes it is. {{R from other capitalisation}} if you want, I have not checked it is marked that way. MediaWiki does indeed flatten case-space, but does not particularly do a good job of flattening other case-spaces outside of the basic Latin alphabet, which is why eubot was told without approval by its owner to go ahead and make thirty thousand redirects for flattening case-spaces into other case-spaces. If I were to bring something here with a statement "we don't need it, the search engine will do it", I would get very short shrift from User:Thryduulf and so on saying "Not everyone searches in the same way. There are external searches, external links", and so on. If it is not done so already, I will mark as {{R from other capitalisation}}. (Or {{R from other capitalization}} if you want the {{R from other spelling}} of {{R from other capitalisation}}). You haven't a WP:SNOWBALL here. Si Trew (talk) 03:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I tagged it just now as {{R from other capitalisation}}, not more than two seconds ago, before seeing your comment. Already tagged as Rmove, taken out the dup of it I added just after seeing your comment. Si Trew (talk) 07:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


Not mentioned at target article. Launchballer 18:06, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Weak keep. Ademo is a taxonomic synonym of Euphorbia, but a pretty obscure one. It's not listed in the 3 botanical databases that are my usual go tos for checking synonyms (Tropicos, The Plant List, IPNI). It is listed in GRIN though. Plantdrew (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Calling User:Plantdrew. Thanks for your expertise there, as always. I was wondering could it possibly be confused for Oedema or Edema I think the US Spelling? Should we DAB it? Those are not botanical of course, unless you're a herbalist. It seems a long way out at first glance, but vowels are easily confused in hearing, not so much in writing. Si Trew (talk) 04:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


Delete, junk redirect. Blood isn't spelled with zeroes. -- Tavix (talk) 16:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete unless this is the stylized title of some media, this isn't useful. It's also not listed in Leet speak examples. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 11:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Deleet per nom and AngusWOOF. As far as I could tell, this spelling isn't used in any enwiki article, so there's probably nowhere to retarget it. Sideways713 (talk) 13:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Created by an indefinitely blocked account if you check the history, indefinitely since 2009. There are more than 250 redirects but fewer than 500 created between 6 December 2009, and 24 December 2009 when this user was indefinitely blocked. Some probably have been heavily edited in the eight years since, such as Naturally, but some can probably be thrown on the woodpile. Si Trew (talk) 04:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Jikkyō Powerful Pro Yakyū series

Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep per WP:SNOWBALL. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Power Pro Kun Pocket series

The Power Pro Kun Pocket series redirect serves no purpose because: it is the incorrect format of the series name, and there is a pre-existing redirect for the Japanese title called Pawapoke as the correct alternate redirect. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Procedural nomination rationale taken from here ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 13:05, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep This is a redirect from a move. The article existed at this title from creation in 2008 until earlier this year when the nominator moved it. There is a possibility that external links to the old title may have been created in those 9 years. The redirect still links to two articles. Obviously other editors thought the title was helpful during the 8+ years it stayed at this title. There is no harm in allowing the redirect to remain. ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 13:13, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - Regardless of whether it's correct, it seems to be a valid search term. The nomination would be fine if we're talking about an article title or something, but this is fine as a redirect. Sergecross73 msg me 13:35, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - {{R from move}}. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

List of ps3 trophies

Misleading and not useful as there is no list of trophies at the target. Such a list would not be maintainable anyway as there are over 30,000 PS3 trophies. The1337gamer (talk) 12:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

List of PS3 games without trophy support

Leftover from page move of a now deleted page (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of PlayStation 3 games without trophy support). This redirect was retargeted to PlayStation 3 prior to the page's deletion; not sure why. Its current target has no such list on so it's not a useful redirect. The1337gamer (talk) 12:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

A Moment to Remember (2014 film)

It's time to start bundling these in large groups because there's still a lot of them out there. All of these redirects are the result of what I call a "faulty crystal ball". As these years have already passed, it's impossible for these films to be released that year. It's implausible that someone would type these redirects in the search bar due to the incorrect year disambiguation. I'd also say these are misleading as they don't redirect to a film article, rather (in most cases) a rumored director, actor, or studio (sometimes a novel, etc.) with no mention of these films. -- Tavix (talk) 01:39, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Note to closer: A raw list is on the talk page. -- Tavix (talk) 15:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

April 22


(eubot) Delete, WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, not at target. User:Siuenti is usually our expert on east asian ones, but I cannot find any use of this 'exact term in reliablle sources. Si Trew (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Goekceada & Bozcaada

(eubot, list 11). WP:FIRSTSENTENCE, "known by their official names of Gökçeada and Bozcaada". Not known as Goekceada & Bozcaada". WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot, list 11) Well they are not called "Motorvaeg" but "motorväg". WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. I wouldn't mind it for the back-formation of Germanic umlaut, but this is just clutter. Si Trew (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete Looks like various Germanic languages' words for motorway, sounds like none.--Mr. Guye (talk) 02:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Supplementary comment: Fails WP:XY per my !vote.--Mr. Guye (talk) 02:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep: Harmless and possibly helpful. I don't understand the comment by Mr Guye above. It looks exactly like on of two possible renderings of the Swedish motorväg by someone with no access to a Swedish keyboard. The other one is motorvag, which redirects to the same place, as it should. The type of word a foreign tourist may see somewhere and want to search for. --Hegvald (talk) 06:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Adams aebler

Split or bespoke decisions Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn by nom, me. Si Trew (talk) 05:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC). As User:Sideways713 points out, it DABS to Adams Apple (disambiguation)


(eubot, list 11). I know I am in a bit of a minority here as a cunning linguist, but I don't think we can go around changing the names of languages. Back-formation from Schwyzerdütsch. There are plenty-o-redirects to this that will get people to where they want to go. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Show me wher anywhere it is written "Schwyzerdeutsch". Please. Not a Google Books Search without RS. Where really it is. Results I get are all from German Wikipedia (on a general search, not a Wikipedia search.) Swiss German language is not quite the same as German language. Si Trew (talk) 05:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. reasonable alternative tranaliteration. DGG ( talk ) 08:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

A, Sweden

(eubot, list 11). I know that the consensus is generally to keep redirects for Swedish/Germanic language ones, but since this place is only called "Å" in the first place, this might be somewhat WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Si Trew (talk) 15:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep - {{R to diacritics}}. Si, if Eubot creates a title which is identical to the article title except for diacritics, don't you think you should skip it? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Eubot should not have created them in the first place. Despite my bringing substantial evidence to RfD that Eubot was not given any authorisation to create these, but its author did anyway, I have to make the call. I brought it here in good faith saying I know that we generally keep Germanic/Swedish ones. This is iffy because as Bonadea says below, they are treated as different letters. What if I created A Sweden or A Norway, then, would that be OK? Then you would argue "It's just {{R from other punctuation}}? Or that O'Canada is the same thing as Oh, Canada? It only differs in punctuation. I do have some intelligence. I do not think on these onse you can argue either WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNOTEXIST because they were made by a bot without permission. I'll bet you if I created O'Canada arguing it was just a different spellographicaliness I would be straight up at ANI (and probably not by you, because you would see the point.) My point is this is much the same. If it is a longish name, sure, but this is a single-word name for the village. Å doesn't mention it, probably should in strict Wikipedia terms in a hatnote, but this is what we're up against with this one with very short geographic names, wherever they are. They are kinda the distinguishing mark and you can't bugger about with them in English else we have nothing else to disambiguate them by. Si Trew (talk) 04:24, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - as misleading and factually wrong. It is not identical, since a and å are different letters in the Swedish alphabet. That English (sometimes) treats "å" as a diacritic does not mean that we should have factual errors in article titles. --bonadea contributions talk 08:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
It's not an error in the article title. It's a navigation aid so that the substantial proportion of users who do not have multinational keyboard layouts and/or aren't familiar with typing unicode shortcuts can easily reach the article. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I have to copy-paste "Å" too, unless I go to unlengthy lengths to find a different layout. I only have four different layouts, and I prefer to have a physical layoyut in front of me so that my fingers match the screen. Swedish isn't one of them. (The four things printed on different keyboards are Hungarian, English, Belgian/French, and Spanish.) But that is what touch-typing is. My argument is that it makes no sense in English.


(eubot list 11). I think this is pushing it a bit when the target is primary anyway, I think this is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense to take the Turkish at the back end, turn the "oe" as Germanic language. I can understand the misspelling but this, I think, is too far out. NOTE: The target is "Kestel" not "Kestal". Kestal is a different place in Turkey, and not to be confused with a Kestral or a Kestrel. Your humble knave as always. Si Trew (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:R to common name

Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn by nominator, User:Mr. Guye. (non-admin closure) by me, Si Trew (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
@Mr. Guye: See above. This is a redirect. Letting you know in case that was the reason you withdrew. Steel1943 (talk) 04:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
@Steel1943: No that wasn't the reason. It was because I saw Si Trew's common name/scientific name explanation and realized that there was not a better phrasing of the redirect. Thanks for notifying me, though. Mr. Guye (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, they are technically one is a redirect to the other. They serve the same purpose and that was what I was trying to convery briefly. Like we have {{R from singular}} and {{R to plural}} and one (I forget which) is an R to the other, but it depends semantically which makes more sense. I didn't want to labour the details. Si Trew (talk) 04:38, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Main Page Test

The target, Wikipedia:Main Page/test is no-longer used, and is marked as historical. There doesn't need to be a mainspace redirect to this. Olidog (talk) 13:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Superior venae cavae

No decision or bespoke decision Closed discussion, see full discussion.


(eubot). Diósgyőr may be a historical town in Hungary. Dioesgyoer is not. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Not Germanic language. Si Trew (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Valid, if dated, transliteration. [4] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Please stop listing Google Canada Chrome books searches so that I have to look them up, and as far as I can tell it is only in the index because it is only an excerpt from the book, not where it is used in the text.
As I told you, I live here. I know that is only primary sources but I speak Hungarian and English on the street every day. I might have some faint clue of what a transliteration is from Hungarian English to Modern English when I go out to the dohányasbolt and converse in the vernacular mindig napi over a transictio. I might just know what I am talking about occasionally when I say this. If the best you can do is a Google Books Chrome Search in the index of some old book that does not have a date, reference, or whatever, instead of a WP:RS, when I have sitting on my bookshelves the official dictionaries of the Hungarian Academy, the Virag Irodam Lexixon in twelve volumes, two landlords next door who I can ask and say (in Hungarian) have I written that correctly and they will say no that makes no sense. They will genuinely not understannd it. You just cannot do Hungarian accents that wayl; and you can't do it in English that way. I need the dates of the books you list, I should not be expected to look them up on a Google Chrome Canada Search to do your own homework, your own WP:BEFORE. Real-life uses of real instances please.
Diosgyor is of course fine as a {{R from title without diacritics}}, but this is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11 about 1500) WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. Not interested in hits, people might want to find Senates. Si Trew (talk) 12:32, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

The hits are about two a month. This has come by way of Senäts, which is tagged as {{R from alternative language}}. But that's not at the target either. Si Trew (talk) 12:33, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • It's apparently the upper house of the microstate, but that's not mentoined. Would not mind retargeting this to Senate. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I was thinking of Senate too, but thought that might be too broad, thus threw it out for discussion. Si Trew (talk) 04:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Bacardi Limon

(eubot) Hmmm.... As a straight R from diacritics it is fine, but this is also kinda {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} and it may be pushing it, since it just goes to the top of the article, and not to a section, and we don't seem to have any information on this particular subbrand, that I can find, I think this is a Weak delete. Bacardi Lemon is red. We have Bacardi Breezer and so on. Bacardi Límon from which (unless I have mistyped) is red. There is just nothing at the article about it and I couldn't find any encyclopaeidic article about it. know it is a well-know brand and so on but this is not encyclopaeidic. Si Trew (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I have mistyped. I will leave it here because I think it makes the point. Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment. I think it is known as Bacardi Límon in Hungary... that has never been created, but that is just branding. That doesn't make sense the "Límon" in Hungarian, companies deliberately brand things like that (otherwise it would be "Bacardi Citrom", thw word for "lemon"). We have Bacardi Limón, from which this was created. But basically it is marketing speak. Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Celal Sengoer

(eubot list 11 at about 1450) Not germanic but Turkish. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot, list 11 at about 1500). Not Germanic but Hungarian, WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 12:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Spoering Island

(eubot, at list 11 about 1425). This is a toughie. This New Zealand island was named by Cook after the Finnish explorer, Herman Spöring. I think this makes this a bit WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, when we already have the aboriginal name (if you'll allow me that). I can't seem to find a "WikiProject New Zealand" to ping for advice. WP:BEFORE coming here I tried external sources, and I can't see that it is used externally at all, but my search sometimes gets different results from other editors'. Si Trew (talk) 11:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

SimonTrew, the New Zealand Wikiproject is hiding in a secret-squirrel location: Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand Schwede66 08:39, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: As I get the impression that the italicized Finnishness of Spöring forms at least part of the basis for the argument above, I need to point out that Spöring was Swedish and from a family of German origin. --Hegvald (talk) 06:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
@Hegvald:, @User and Schwede66:. You're on the same lines as me. It is not italicised at least as not as I see but that User:Eubot, a well-known bot creator of thousands of rather queer redirects back in 2008, has back-formed Finnish "Spöring" into Engish "Spoering". It is not Germanic language, which we tend to accept (myself reluctantly), but Finnish language, the surname. However, we are now juggling four different balls with the redirect, Finnish for "Spöring", nonsense for "Spoering", English for "Island" and I am not familiar with aboriginal languages of NZ but "Pourewa", presummably a transliteration for when they beat us wee bits at Rugby. Could be Maori but could be many others. For a bot' to add another into the mix strikes me as nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 05:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Delete, WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. Nothing at the target says it was or has ever been known as "Spoering island". Si Trew (talk) 05:11, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Pruefer rank

(eubot, list 11 at 1421). Normally the consensus for these is for keepsies, on Germanic ones, as a straight {{R from title without diacritics}}. I am not sure on this one because of the technical nature of the subject. It is probably all right. As far as I can see from a bit of WP:BEFORE, most roads lead back to Wikipedia where we have "Prufer rank" in several articles. I can't see it being used as "Pruefer" in external sources, but other editors are better at searching than I am. Si Trew (talk) 11:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Buzios game

(eubot list 11 at 1362) we haven't Búzios game from which this was created, or rather we do but there is no mention of either at the target. WP:RFD#D2 confusing, I should say. Presumably it was there at some point in its history but it isn't now. Probably Delete both then. Si Trew (talk) 11:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Wood e Stock: Sexo, Oregano e Rock'n'Roll

(eubot) I haven't worked out how it has turned the ampersand into a "e". I know that means "and" (or abbreviated) in many languages, but I haven't worked out how it has got from there to here. It came via Wood e Stock: Sexo, Orégano e Rock'n'Roll, created by a user in 2006, perhaps in error. I will check but the internet just dropped, sorry.

The original from which this was created was made by an indefinitely banned editor as a sockpuppet. Perhaps we should delete both. I of course have no idea of the reason for that, I am not an admin and can't checkhist like that. But this was in 2006 about two years before this one was created by eubot. Another fine mess we've got we into. Si Trew (talk) 11:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Kjolen Mountains

(eubot). This is probably all right, if useless. It was back-formed from Kjølen Mountains.. but considering we already have the target in English, I can't really mark it as {{R from other language|sv|en}} and the marking for {{R from diacritics}} doesn't make sense because it doesn't have any on either side. Weak delete as clutter, although I imagine other editors will disagree with me on this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:12, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) Not Germanic but Spanish. Si Trew (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot, list 11). I am no expert on fictional books on discovery worlds and stuff, I just read newspapers which is about the same, come to think of it. The spelling in the article is "Hlǘss" and I imagine that people who enjoy these kinds of books are very particular about what these kinds of things are called. Since it's obviously not a {{R from title without diacritics}}, just possibly a {{R from other name}}, but I am going Delete, WP:RFD#D5 nonsense on this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:08, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot). Not Germanic but Hungarian. It is a bit of WP:RFD#D5 nonsense really. "Albert Saint-George" or "Albert St. George" etc would make sense if we were translating, but patently we do not translate this name of this Nobel prizewinner. excuse me while I strangle my cat. Si Trew (talk) 11:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot, list 11 at about 1150) American basketball player but surname is Finnish, not Germanic Language. Si Trew (talk) 11:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Ta Yue

(eubot, list 11). Not sure. This board game is based on the legendary (Chinese) Yu the Great, according to the article. Eubot has turned the "ü" into "ue", as usual. I think Weak delete, unless the game is called in real life "Ta Yue". My external search gives me various companies in different places that are not related to this board game, as far as I can tell. It might be a bit WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Not at target. Considering we haven't Yue the Great, for example, it might be a bit iffy. Si Trew (talk) 10:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Joenkoeping Airport

(eubot, list 11, at about 1150). On the whole, we tend to keep Swedish ones, but the doubling of "oe" "oe" may be a bit too far out. Probably all right, absolutely straight {{R from title without diacritics}} but nobody searching for this airport is going to search this way. Not even the pilots. At least, I hope, not the pilots :) Si Trew (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11). This is back-formed from Neorð. In that sense it makes sense, but I can also see it being a likely typo for many other things and not necessarily a Norse god. Not sure. Si Trew (talk) 10:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

America-Freedom to Fascism

(eubot list 11). Generally I would keep these as {{R from other punctuation}} (not {{R from diacritics}} of course) but I am just doubting if the straight hyphen in "America-Freedom" may make this a bit WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Probably all right, with the rcat, but I wonder if America-Freedom may mean something different than a book title. It's probably OK. Si Trew (talk) 10:40, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11) I can't see (according to Wikipedia) that he was even known by this name ever. Nobody neve niou him by this name. Back-formed from Nevenoioù, which is not at the target either. WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Bréton French (I am supprised we don't have that link). Si Trew (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Baay Nas

(eubot). Not sure. In the lede, he is "affectionately known as Baay", but he is not known as "Baay nas". That is an affectionate name with the wrong surname. WP:RFD#D5 weakly, delete. It doesn't make too much sense to me to put an affectionate name together with the wrong surname. Back-formed from Baay Ñas. Si Trew (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2017 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Youssef El Osri

Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Goeta aelv

(eubot list 11) I think this is all right, but may be a bit too far away (Swedish) Si Trew (talk) 01:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

?El Concepto?

(eubot list 11). Despite previous discussions I don't think we ever quite achieved consensus on thes with the reverse question marks. This is probably OK, but klisting only to establish consensus. (I'll fo the same with reverse exclamation marks if I find any and interrobangs and things like that, but haven't found any yet in all the months of trogging through eubot Si Trew (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Upside-down question marks are not on an English keyboard. Deleting this redirect greatly impairs the ability to navigate to the article. Steel1943 (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment. I wonder if it greatly impairs them from finding them in the first place. User:Steel1943, you are better at this than me, can you list some of the previous discussions? I am sure we had them. I don't think there was an entirely clear result, though it was generally in favour of keeping them, if I recall. But I think it was a case-by-case basis, perhaps. Si Trew (talk) 06:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Turkiye Izcilik Federasyonu

Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn by nominator, Si Trew (talk) 05:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)}}

Thankyou, User:Kintetsubuffalo. My search is not "blocked" on WP in any kind of censorship sense, but it does give me different results from others in different countries.I can generally handle the Hungarian ones and others related to Hungarian, and so can handle Turkik ones sometimes, but this seemed just on the crescent. Thanks for confirming it's OK. Si Trew (talk) 05:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Turist Omer duemenciler krali

(eubot, list 11). Turkish. Eubot hasn't cocked up the accents, for a change, well probably has at the back end. The full name is not at the target. Created from Turist Ömer dümenciler krali, and then there would be a cock-up on the "duemenciler", so I'm inclined to say delete, but we should probably delete that one too, if it is not at the target. This is nonsense without the accents, but I am not sure what to do with the one it was created from, because that is probably {{R from other language|tk|en}}, but not at target Si Trew (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete as very implausible, given Eubot's inconsistent treatment of the Turkish letters (converting Ö to O, but ü to ue) and previous outcomes for similarly mixed redirects. Sideways713 (talk) 18:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Motoerhead (album)

(eubot list 11). This is fairly obviously a eubot back-formation from a metal umlaut. Not a Germanic umlaut Si Trew (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11) Back-formed from "Läänemeri". I think this is a very unlikely search term. English speakers are more likely to search, in whatever way they do, for "Baltic Sea". WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:48, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot, list 11) Hmmm. Norwegian community. I think this is too far out with the "oey" at the end. Weak Delete. Si Trew (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2017 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Huesnue Cakirgil

(eubot, list 11) not Germanic but Turkish Si Trew (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Templo de A-Ma

(eubot). That's a bit half-and-half. It is of course marked as R from dias but there are no dias in the target, anyway.... It could be {{r from other language|ar|en}} but I would say a Weak delete. Si Trew (talk) 00:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • I presume (eubot) is supposed to mean this is some sort of mistake by user:eubot (a bot)? I wish Si Trew was clearer... It looks like one. *If* kept the correct template seems to be {{r from other language|pt|en}} (pt, Portuguese; not ar, Arabic). It could be kept, because Portuguese is a official language in Macau. But I doubt we need such redirects, having the original official language names - in this case Portuguese and Mandarin(?) - in the article and letting the search engine find it should be enough. I'll add it next. See the diff, the Portuguese name ("Templo de A-Má" with a diacritic, which might explain the bots mixup) was already there but it had a wrong parameter name. So, weak delete. - Nabla (talk) 00:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, User:Nabla, because I list so many going through these stupid or not-so-stupid Eubot redirects I have to be quick in listing (I am not a bot) or we should never get done. I mean by (eubot) to give an indication that this comes from an enormous set of lists, totalling roughly thirty thousand, created by User:Eubot back in 2008.
For comparison, see WP:X1 for User:Neelix bur we haven't these concessions here, but if I may give you a standard kinda stupidity redirect from Neelix not Eubot, the deleted Greenisholives.
So sincerely excuse me for going quickly, if anything I am normally told off for being too verbose, but I sift, and along the way I think, I do WP:BEFORE, I keep a lot, and when I am not sure I list them at RfD because that is the only mechanism currently at RfD for me or anyone else to take some of the more stupid User:Eubot redirects out. On this one I was not sure, because I could se the Arabic, "A-Ma", and then the "Temple" being not very Arabic, and not very Portuguese, and so thought it was all a bit WP:NONSENSE really to put the three together (from Templo de A-Ma, which I forgot to say).
They get you like that sometimes, you forget what language they were even intended to be, though I do check internally within Wikipedia, on a lot of occasions all roads lead back to Rome or maybe Lisbon. At that point I list, although having my wrist slapped, because my jjob as I see it is to sift and sort and say delete, keep, (very occasionally) boldly retarget. I cannot be expected, in my reasonable view, to find out it was used somewhere on Facebook once. (Not by you) and then say "oh, keep it then." I deliberately' do not look up any cultural backgrounds, languages etc of other editors because that would prejudice my going through these language redirects.
You asked for a longer answer, you got it :) Strongly delete. Now four different tongues in the sausage. Si Trew (talk) 05:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I just checked in my copy of English as She is Spoke. Apparently it is Portuguese. Not Arabic after all. :) Si Trew (talk) 05:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I lookedup your user page after I wrote that. I ususally wouldn't. It's good to have a Portuguese speaker here at RfD, because we haven't any others. I would not have recognised that as portuguese, at all (and I speak other Latinate languages. But most from Eubot are well I think actually this is the first I have found that has had a vague stab at Portuguese.) Si Trew (talk) 05:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Nothing in the article says that Macau is in China. I may have been influenced a little by listening to a very interesting programme as always, Word of Mouth, rebroadcast on the BBC World Service at about 3am this morning, at which the topic today was the names people give to other geographical areas, I listed this well before that but made me wonder. A few experts together in a quiet talk saying something they know about. There was some very quiet disagreement of why America was called America. The general consensus among the experts is that "-ia" is just what we call countries because, I am putting words in their mouths, it adds legitimacy, makes it a country. Fascinating programme, my toy monkey and I much enjoyed it. I recommed it to you. After that we had More for Less, which even though I can do graphs is explained in such a simple way. Ir ia very aoporific the BBC world service at that time of night. They slpped and said in Britain it is six minutes past three; I am only an hour ahead. They usually say "on this hour". Gone are the days of Lillibullero and "Twenty-three hundred hours Greenwich Mean Time". Gone are the days of the Radio 4 UK Theme, written by a German. Fritzs Spiegl. I suppose we have to modernise bt WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I like that tens of thousands of editors can give, and tens of billions of readers can take, the knowledge of this project Jmbo started. It will never be finished. But we can make it better, other people run marathons. I edit Wikipedia. I can't run a marathon, I can't run a bath without getting out of breadth. But I can add my knowledge and learning to Wikipedia. I cam't to the fiddles on articles any more, it takes me ages to get from my head to my fingers and I make mistakes, but I can stilll say no this is what it is. It is in my head it is just hard to get it to the keys right now. I don't want to put this on my edit page etc because it's too hard and I want regulars at RfD to know that, not I can't fiddle with RS and click of mouses and have seventeen tabs open. I can do the Eubot R's and let me do those, I can get those done. My bones hurt my back hurts i cough up blood my wife wont let me go to a hospital. My wife wont evem semd me any money to go to a hospital or the insurance details to do so but I would not get there without her and she is in salsyburg having her new career. So please excuse me for listing these eubot redirects but I am not sure how much energy is in me. I want to survive for a bit because the wife then gets an inheritance if i manage to survive a bit. I should not be saying this but you are my friends over the years. Please excuse lowercase it is not my style. 07:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

i do not have a phone or whatever she does not give me any money she can fix her teeth i have to work most of the time. to keep her in the manner she has become accomplished to. I am losing my words I know they are the wrong words accustomed to. Spending all my money. I am not stupid. I have lived in four different countries. She is a control freak and I am a depressive. It is not a good mix.

Marten Trotzigs Graend

Keep Closed discussion', see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn as keep by nom, thanks to User:Hegvald for confirming that. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Caitiff (disambiguation)

Target is not a disambiguation page. I'm unsure if WP:G6 or WP:G8 apply here, and at any rate I'm the one that replaced the former dab page at the target so it would be inappropriate for me to also delete the redirect without a discussion. No pages link to this, and the only pages that link to the former dab are userspace drafts. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:23, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

'Re-DAB as above. This is blocking me, I think there is Kaitiff and Kaliph and [Caliph]] and so on in the see also section, but you may feel they're tooo far out. I think in typographyer's slang there is a "cut if", essentially a top ascender taken out of an ffs ligature, but not sure. Just trying to add to the dab. A good 80% if them will be nonsense. Just trying to think of things we could add to build the DAB. Si Trew (talk) 06:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Gyoergy Martinuzzi

(eubot, list 11). He was known by many names but this wasn't one of them. This is a back-formation from Hungarian by Eubot. Si Trew (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11). Consensus is usually to keep creations by eubot in Germanic language, and indeed this is; a place in Germany in fact, but I am not sure when it comes to place names we should make them up. Without anything I can find this is used in real life except backlinks to WP, I am going WP:RFD#D2, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. The only other article to mention a Krov is linked from the current page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
I'd be with you in general, but I dunno, something sticks in my gullet about this. I don't think we should be making up place-names. WP:NOTATLAS, but I dunno, just something doesn't sit right with me with this one. Krakov and so on are too far a way to be easily mistaken (I mean on the keyboard, not geographically), something just feels wrong to me with this. Were it not for Eubot creating it we would not have it. Nobody has gone "oh, let's overwrite that with some content". But some editors get a bit scared to overwrite thse kinds of things even though it is positively encouraged. Something just doesn't sit right with me. But it's probably a keep, but for now, I'm staying with delete. Si Trew (talk) 08:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, standard German way to avoid typing an ö. Sadly, we don't have an article about the world's best named vineyards, Kröver Nacktarsch. —Kusma (t·c) 06:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Varosi es Elovarosi Kozlekedesi Egyesulet

(eubot) This kind of makes sense, except without the accents in Hungarian it doesn't. We can't really mark it as {{R from other language|hu|en}} because it makes no sense in Hungarian, where accents are important ("es" and "és" mean different things, the latter means "and") The rest of it well to be honest it is nonsense. It is not a R from title without diacritics, it is R from foreign language, but eye-wateringly wrong in that language. Delete Si Trew (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

If you want an off-the-cuff translation "Town and country transport provider", but it is a very bad back-formation. The accents in Hungarian are important, without them, it is nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
It's not that, really, User:Patar knight. I know in some languages diacritics might be seen as just little fiddly niceties at the tops of letters, but in others such as Hungarian (and Turkish, as in the classic case of Turkish dotless I) they make a substantial difference in meaning. If you looked up Hungarian alphabet you would find these are not considered even diacritics but separate letters. For that reason I say delete. It would be like, in English, redirecting "Ford" to "Fjord", to give an analogy (probably not a good one). It is kinda nonsense in Hungarian and nonsense in English. Considering its length, I can't see someone typing or searching this way. doesn't have it, but it wouldn't because it is far more particular about diacritics (for the reasons I have just stated). Si Trew (talk) 08:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, redirects are harmless and I see this all the time when English speakers, clueless about diacritics and their meaning or purpose, simply remove them (often in directory listings and such) leaving nonsense behind. I agree it's non-sense and unlikely search term, but it does no harm. Renata (talk) 17:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Right. Let's assume your name is Renata. So "Reenata" in Spanish makes sense, even though it is a bit iffy, and in Italian "Reenata" makes sense, even though it is a bit iffy. It is not a question of diacritics. These are not diacritics these are different letters, as per Hungarian alphabet. They do not just have fiddly bits on the top for decoration. They not only sound different but mean different, so it is a question of turning something into nonsense.
I'm going to rephrase this. I owe an aplogy to User:Renata, who is Edinborgeouise. This is purely from a linguistic background of finno-ugric language. I will say the same thing, but not quite as nastily. I should not have been so nasty, excuse my nem tudom beszélek estiaul.
I know I don't put much on my talk page because I have been hurt before. Badly. I am English and live in Hungary. I know they are only distantly related. I should like to give you an analogy. Were I to turn in English, "coke" into "choke or time-ball into thimble, would that be OK? No it wouldn't.
Were I to start making Lallans redirects into Hungarian and translating them back to my Cockney accent, dropping all my Ts and Hs on the floor, would that be OK, Just because you hear people say it every day does not make it right. Many people come here to learn English. It is not fair on them to be given crappy Hungarian that is not Hungarian.
Transliterations, fine, but this isn't one. You can't do that. You can do that with a reasonable search term, but this is too far out'. That is like saying that "Thighs" is the same as "Tights". You can't do that. The "Th" sound ((front dental plostive) is especially difficult for Hungarians, just like the various back vowel sounds and rhotic front vowel sounds are hard for me with my rather cockney accent. It does not make sense written. For if not, since I rarely pronounce a T, let's have a glottal stop and take out every T or TT out of Wikipedia just because I don't say them. We can take out all the aitches as well because I drop them, they're scattered all over the floor. No need for em.
I am sorry to be rude if you check the history. I was trying to explain but can explain quite a bit too vigorously sometimes. Si Trew (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Eoers Szathmary

(eubot) Not Germanic but Hungarian. Si Trew (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Pi1 Booetis

(eubot, list 11). We have had a recent discussion I think on a different target, but I imagine that "Boeetis" would not be kind on astronomers. Si Trew (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

April 21


(Eubot list 11). This is a bit nonsense because depending on what language you speak you might take the "ae" at the back as a Latin plural, but in fact it is just a Eubot back-formation. I suppose it is harmless but it WP:SURPRISEd me, especially thinking about the major cardiovascular system, I could see this being easily confused, so perhaps WP:XY. Si Trew (talk) 23:58, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment: What else were you thinking it might refer to? PriceDL (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Keep: I think everyone will expect this to lead to information about aorta, and it is used synonymously with 'aortas' in some peer-reviewed sources. PriceDL (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - aortae is the plural of aorta, isn't it? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep' per above. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Nils Taepp

(eubot list 11) This is a bit tricky. Consensus is generally to keep Swedish ones, but this is someone's surname, and his surname was not "Taepp". We don't have a surname list at Taepp. I think on the whole this is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 23:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep If anything, I'd say name redirects like this - especially in the case of athletes - are more plausible than most other non-German ä->ae and ö->oe ones, since official sports bodies sometimes use ä->ae and ö->oe even for non-German athletes, and in any case the names of sportspeople who compete or receive attention abroad are often mangled into a wild variety of forms. Täpp, for example, was called "Nils Taepp" in the official 1948 Olympic Report, and that spelling also appeared in many English-language newspapers in the late 1940s and early 1950s, making it a plausible (and harmless) search term on enwiki. Sideways713 (talk) 19:38, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Kapteeni Aaeni

(eubot list 11). Well they are not called that. Not Germanic but Finnish. I suppose kinda WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. It seems too far out to me. Si Trew (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete as very, very, very implausible; maybe the worst Eubot no-diacritics redirect we've seen here. Sideways713 (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Roman a fleuve

(eubot) This is a bit of clutter. The article has as "roman-fleuve" but not "roman-a-fleuve". My guess is this is created by Eubot from a mistaken creation, compare roman a clef for example Si Trew (talk) 23:07, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Created by eubot from Roman à fleuve. That is still a bit puzzling to me. I know roughly it would mean "flowing novel" or whatever, but I can't work this one out. I think many of the great French authors had these things, Victor Hugo and so on, but this right now is WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. Hmm... Si Trew (talk) 23:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I am still not sure about it anyway, and the others, since these refer to kinda specifically French novelists. To redirect it (and the others, not by eubot) to "Novel Sequence" is perhaps a bit odd. I imagine we have a better target. Hesitate to list all the others, I have cluttered RfD enough, but there are of course others. Si Trew (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11) Not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Gyoergy Kosztolanczy

(eubot list 11) not Germanic but Hungarian Si Trew (talk) 23:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Maelstroem (film)

(eubot list 11) Weak delete. This is a canadian film. Eubot has back-formed to "Maelstroem" but that is not what we would call it, is not what the target calls it. The kkinda it is not exactly a metal umlaut ut we might be making nonsense out of this. Si Trew (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting that "Maelstroem" is not a word. I just wonder whether with the disambiguation, this makes a good redirect. I always feel a bit queer about these ones. Probably OK, but for myself I would delete it. Si Trew (talk)


(eubot list 11) not Germanic but Hungarian. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 22:37, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Koey Hizmetleri Anadolu Lisesi

(eubot list 11). Not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew (talk) 22:36, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11). Not Germanic, but Hungarian. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 22:35, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Eletrobras Termonuclear S/A

(eubot list 11) This is probably allright, but is not the name of the company on either side and in any case is a bit iffy. I would put it as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, can't put it as {{R from company name}} because it isn't. Not sure on this one Si Trew (talk) 22:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11) Not Germanic but Finnish. I think this is too far out, delete WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thoekoely Imre

(eubot list 11). Now this is really pushing it. Hungarian, not English, and we have it in Hungarian name order with oe oe instead of Hungarian spelling. Speedily delete. I am on Engish keyboard layout but would be Thokoly dots on both Imre no dots on either. This is well too far out, WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

If I want to take a bus into town I go to Thököly út. I do not go to Thoekoely Imre út. ("út" = roughly main street, large street: there's no direct translation really.) It's one of the most frequently-travelled bus routes in Budapest. Si Trew (talk) 10:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment. Hungarians will tell you that their language is "speak-as-you-spell", but the "Th" is an odd example where it is not. Common, but pronounced exactly the same as T. I tend to use that as a talking point. Or should I say thalking point. It is left over from the spelling reforms of the last century. Si Trew (talk) 10:29, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom as very implausible, given the highly unlikely combination of ö->oe and the Hungarian name order. Sideways713 (talk) 19:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Societe nationale d'electricite (RDC)

(eubot list 11). Just cut it. The target itself has a different (disambiguation). We've no need of it. Si Trew (talk) 21:44, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Tuerk Dil Kurumu

(eubot list 11) well, considering especially it is not the Tuerkish Language Association, I think this makes it a bit WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Not Germanic but Tuerkish. Si Trew (talk) 21:40, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Ski randonnee

(eubot list 11) I would normally take French ones by consensus, but this is not {{R from title without diacritics}}. It is {{R from other name}}, really, but with the missing accent, is it too far off? Si Trew (talk) 21:33, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

We don't have "randon" at all at the target, in any form. I can see where it gets it from, but it mght be a bit WP:RFD#D2 confusing. We're not a tourist guide. Si Trew (talk) 21:35, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

64 Oozumo

(eubot list 11) Well it isn't, is it? Back-formed from Japanese by eubot. Might be all right, but pushing it, with the two "Oo"s at the front. Si Trew (talk) 21:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Ass fiber

(eubot list 11) Eubot has got this by way of Aß fiber. Amusing, but wrong. Not at target in either case. The lede starts "Type II sensory fiber (group Aβ)"... Shall I suggest toilet paper or a straight WP:RFD#D5 as nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 21:24, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry this is the most amusing one I have seen today. I had a little laugh to myself. Sorry. WP:RFD#D5 nonsence. I better check whether there is in the British English "fibre". Si Trew (talk) 21:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
No, there are sensible links in the British spelling, but not Ass fibre... sorrry... still laughing... Si Trew (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I have heard of lying out of ones ass before but not this.-- (talk) 21:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Delete — case of bot mistaking symbol intention PriceDL (talk) 13:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Delete per above. Nice to have some unintentional bot vandalism to mix things up a bit. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:21, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete as unlikely synonym at best --Lenticel (talk) 06:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete that part of the body doesn't have fiber named like that. If someone's looking for fiber to help their bowel movements they'd look up Dietary fiber. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:56, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11). Not Germanic but Hungarian. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11) not Germanic, but Galician. Si Trew (talk) 21:21, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

B+ decay

(eubot list 11). This is just on the cusp. The article does have it in section 2.3, but it uses the greek letter beta throughout (including in section titles). Since this is obviously a very technical article we mighy be misleading people, but other than that it is probably fine. It is only the fact that the article itself never calls it "B+ decay" with Latin B that I hesitate on this one. Si Trew (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Robert AEOLUS Myers

(eubot, list 11) I can see that this is straight R from dias and against my own opinion we keep the AE. But since this middle name is well a bit iffy anyway per WP:TITLE I think this is pushing it. Not sure. We should probably move over. I will do that (as non admin) if I can. Si Trew (talk) 21:06, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Ach, we do have Robert Myers, which is a name DAB. I presume an editor has then created this title (not the redirect) to disambiguate in this way, which is an odd way to do it by WP standards... eubbot then created the not particularly odd (by its standards) redirect from it. We don't usually disambiguate people by putting their middle name in capitals in the first place. What to do? Si Trew (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per that diacritics or similar. The caps can be debatable as it's stylization to all caps the AEOLUS, but that's more for a RM rather than RFD. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:53, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot list 11). I can see that this is perfectly fine as a straight R from dias, but I was thinking people might be searching for Siemens etc, not a small village in Poland. Not sure. Si Trew (talk) 20:58, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep, perfectly fine as a redirect without diacritics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it is. But do you thibink people searching for "Siemien" might be looking for simian or Siemens or semen and suchlike? That is why I brought to RfD. I doubt they would be looking for a small village in Poland. I agree, it is a straiht {{R from title without diacritics}}, but I am not sure it is useful. Si Trew (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I suppose what I am saying is, had Eubot not created these, what would they have found. WP:SURPRISEish, but I don't think that they would want to find a small village in Poland )too an English-speaking audience). Si Trew (talk)
There's nothing else notable with the name "Siemien", so I don't see the problem. Close spellings that someone can reasonably be confused with can be dealt with via a {{confused}} hatnote at Siemień. Again, Eubot is not a reason for deletion. -- Tavix (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
True, but you're kinda going a different way from me. I am assuming people do not pick out exactly and their tablets and stuff just will whack in any old thing that happens to match. On that ground I would say the probability that someone wants to find a small village in Poland instead of a large multinational corporation, etc, is a bit iffy, were I a bookmaker. However, You're kinda right, Wikipedia should be exact and then that would be fine. The problem really is that it's not "Siemien" but "Siemień" if you sie what I mień. It kinda lies in between. Si Trew (talk) 08:40, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
I'll repeat: I appreciate that eubot is not a reason for deletion, that is just a swift shorthand that many regulars understand to save them time checking where it came from, like we did with (neelix); it is essentially a courtesy note. I totally agree with you that is not in itself a reason to delete, keep, retarget or anything else. Si Trew (talk) 08:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


Many things are "liveable". World's most liveable cities doesn't seem like a good redirect to me. E.g. "It's not a luxurious apartment by any means but it's liveable." or "fatherhood makes life more liveable". The more American spelling "livable" redirects differently, to Quality of life. Per WP:NOTDICT, both should just be deleted. MB 04:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Retarget to Habitability which discusses whether a place is livable for people. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:47, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have added Livable, Liveability and Livability to this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all, per WP:NOTDIC, per Steel. If I may sing an old tune "No reason above has been given" to do anything otherwise. But i must come here with clean hands. Si Trew (talk) 21:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Quality of life. Obviously they should all go to the same place, and that's where the use of the term I'm familiar with is discussed ("Foo is a livable city") – Train2104 (t • c) 21:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Quality of Life doesn't cover all meanings of livable. For example, in real estate, "livable space" is space that is insulated/heated/cooled as opposed to non-livable space like a garage - pretty much covered in habitability. Since there are different potential targets for different uses, just delete. MB 01:30, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget all to quality of life per Train2104. A large majority of the mainspace links to the nominated redirects use the term to refer to quality of life. WP:NOTDIC covers articles, not redirects, and is not relevant here. - Eureka Lott 04:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I just checked two incoming links. Feather pecking refers to coexistence of poultry, and USS Cutlass (SS-478) refers to color schemes on submarines - neither of which are a good fit for the overall Quality of Life, which is about the "general well-being of individuals and societies". These redirects still don't seem to cover it well.MB 16:52, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I know you said a "majority", not all. I was not trying to disprove what you said, but rather to point out when redirecting to quality of life would not help the reader. The purpose of redirects is not to send the reader to a place that "might" provide more information or "might" be erroneous. Since are are different meanings, and unless a page is created on "livable" that handles these four redirects better (while not just providing a dictionary definition), I just think they should be deleted so as not to mislead. The redlinks in those articles that do use the term for quality of life could then be edited to directly link there. If the consensus is to redirect all to quality of life, then every incoming link to all four should still be checked for possible unlinking if they mean something else. But even if everything is fixed up, as long as we have redirects of a generic term "liveable" to a specific usage "quality of life", more bad links will be introduced in the future by editors who don't sufficiently check targets before linking. MB 18:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment MB What about a dab for these versions. That might help the reader. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:50, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure this meets the criteria for a DAB page. See WP:BROAD since the possible targets are related as described here. MB 16:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • What is needed is indeed a broad-concept article on the Liveability, with the other senses redirecting there. Compare Habitability. bd2412 T 01:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but then for example Le Corbusier said, I think, "Une maison est une machine-á-habiter", a house is a machine for living in. We could add that to that concept article, and although I like architecture, I think whatever we put at that broad concept article might be quite, um, subjective? Orwell I think in A nice cup of tea is it describes father round the father, Mother cooking lamb with potatoes under the roast, and so on, in a way which is very "liveable", I think it is such a vague concept that I am not sure that even a broad concept article could cover it. In an architectural sense it probably could do. Throwing out suggestions, homely, des. res., probably neither of those quite goes to where I should expect. Homely would in the mid 20thC. be a euphemism for "fat", essentially. Very homely womam. But perhaps again that is just me thinking of Orwell, I think he described women in many of his essays thus. Si Trew (talk) 10:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but then for example Le Corbusier said, I think, "Une maison est une machine-á-habiter", a house is a machine for living in. We could add that to that concept article, and although I like architecture, I think whatever we put at that broad concept article might be quite, um, subjective? Orwell I think in A Nice Cup of Tea (no, must be another one: Decline of the English Murder is where it is, describes Father with feet up by the fireplace, Mother cooking lamb with potatoes under the roast, couple of children playing around and so on (a life he never had of course), in a way which is very "liveable", I think it is such a vague concept that I am not sure that even a broad concept article could cover it. In an architectural sense it probably could do. Throwing out suggestions, homely, des. res., probably neither of those quite goes to where I should expect. Homely would in the mid 20thC. be a euphemism for "fat", essentially. Very homely womam. But perhaps again that is just me thinking of Orwell, I think he described women in many of his essays thus. When someone asks for a broad concept article, I don't think it is down to checking links, I think it is what it means to you. Si Trew (talk) 10:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

First Sino-Indian War

This incident is referred to as Sino-indian war not the first sino-indian war. There were minor skirmishes which happened later but are wrongly termed as the second sino-indian war. Adamgerber80 (talk) 23:06, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Widely used in reliable source, even if not as a term of art [5], it's a capitzliation difference, which are normally kept. Since this is the first Sino-Indian War, this seems like a reasonable search term. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Very well indicated by Patar Knight! Several reliable sources use the term "First Sino-Indian War". - coconut1002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coconut1002 (talkcontribs) 22:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I have no doubt Patar Knight is correct on this one, but we still have to sort out the second etc... then we can tidy the both up together. 13:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talkcontribs)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: relisting so the First and Second Sino-Indian War redirects are next to each other
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Second Sino-Indian War

The second Sino-indian war never happened. This is term never used to describe these incidents and the page was created with no prior discussion. Adamgerber80 (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Retarget Sino-Indian_War#Later_conflicts, where all conflicts past the first Sino-Indian War are mentioned and made clear that they were minor. It's a plausible search term since the possibility of it occurring is of academic interest. [6] Better to mark it as {{r from incorrect name}} to a section which explains that no large scale war has occured since. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hindi source clearly mentions "Sino-Indian War of 1967" ("युद्ध" translates to "war") See at:

The conflict certainly amounts to a 'war' as the source also clearly mentions. I think some users are looking at it in view of the First Sino-Indian War and therefore are termining it 'minor' due to comparitively lesser casualties. However, the numbers among themselves are still staggering and do fit the definition of war (complies with the definition from any source). The territorial changes were also significant with Nathu La and Cho La seeing a withdrawl of Chinese troops which eventually led to the accession of the Kingdom of Sikkim into India! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coconut1002 (talkcontribs) 04:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

English news source clearly mentions "1967 Indo-China war": -coconut1002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coconut1002 (talkcontribs) 22:27, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I think we had this before, but struggle to find it. Would it help if I tried to search for First Chinese-Indian War or Second Chinese-Indian War? I suppose what I am asking is how many readers are going to see "Sino" and take as "Chinese"? I dunno the answer to that, and I am not going to rely on stats for that; that is the job of the indexer to make an intelligent guess. My guess is Delete. Si Trew (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
might be worth asking at WP:MILHIST. Usually is. Si Trew (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Asked advice at WT:MILHIST referring back to here. Si Trew (talk) 13:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - the 1967 conflicts were so minor that no reliable sources call them a war. -Zanhe (talk) 15:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment: the term does not appear to be mentioned here: [7]. I couldn't get the full view of this book to check: [8], but it seems like it might offer something one way or the other. I wonder if someone else might be able to see if Second Sino-Indian War is mentioned in it? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
hahah User:Zanhe. "We are not at war. We are in armed conflict". Anthony Eden, wasn't it? Si Trew (talk) 10:49, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Girl Moment

Yeah, so this is apparently a term used by pedophiles. Check the history if you'd like—could be much worse. It's not mentioned at the target article and probably never would be. --BDD (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment. Isn't this a bit of slang that women use against themselves, "I had a girl moment"? I don't know why I am thinking of that. Just throwing it out for discussion. It might just be a British phrase and not very WP:WORLDWIDE. I am trogging trough the eyubot ones so haven't time to check. Si Trew (talk) 21:02, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete: Agree with @SimonTrew: about the common use of this word. Would never expect this to redirect to pedophilia. PriceDL (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, but if it is a British phrase, it should go to paedophilia (were it to go anywhere) with the British spelling. I ain't worried about the WP:ENGVAR. Just this does seem like a rather odd place to put it. Si Trew (talk) 14:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


This is a non-notable clan of Jats. There's no discussion at the target article, so a redirect makes no sense. -- Tavix (talk) 21:13, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Can always be recreated if the group is notable or listed. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete, no mention in article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. No etymology for this and I can't find it in any source I have on wars, Chinese presumably (Sino-) or otherwise. WP:NOTENGLISH bordering WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 20:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Exact term gets me 0 hits from searching beyond unreliable wikis. Si Trew (talk) 20:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep; maybe retarget to Sinsini. I found a number of books that discuss this clan (albeit briefly). See, e.g., this book at p. 102 (noting that the name may also be spelled "Sansanwal"), this book at page 125, and this book at p. 157. This book says "Having no got or clan of their own, they took the name of Sinsinwar from their paternal village, Sinsini ...." Therefore, we may want to redirect this to Sinsini. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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Ichirō Itano

Ichirō Itano has made many other anime that shouldn't have him be redirected to just one anime. He has been director for other works too such as Angel Cop. While I'm unsure if he's notable enough for his own work, being redirected to Macross doesn't seem to be the best solution. GamerPro64 16:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment The director's article was changed to a redirect back in 2010 for not being notable. His Macross work is notable but he was at most an episode or animation director, although for multiple titles in that franchise and the article wouldn't be able to survive on that only. However, he created Angel Cop, and lead directed on Battle Royal High School and Megazone 23, these are OVAs. This also affects Ichiro Itano (no macrons). He also appeared in the US for an anime convention so if that's decent secondary source coverage, he could be made into an article if someone wants to put in that effort. The JA wikipedia article is more substantial ja:板野一郎. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

African Philosophy (1369-6823)

Delete, these aren't the same journals. From the page history, the disambiguator is an ISSN. The article, however, gives two numbers, and neither of them are this one. -- Tavix (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. The ISSN makes it a bit of a surprise like it's a year range. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 09:42, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Personally, I'd love to read a journal on African Philosophy from the years 1369–6823. It'll kick off during the height of the Mali Empire and finish more than 4,800 years in the future. -- Tavix (talk) 13:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete the ISSN evidence shows that this is an incorrect pointer.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:12, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment This was redirected with an edit summary indicating that PA is the successor journal of AP. ISSNs often change if a journal changes publishers or gets a new title, so that the ISSNs differ doesn't mean much. The homepage of PA is singularly uninformative, so I cannot determine whether these journals are indeed somehow related. It's weird to have the ISSN in the title, though. --Randykitty (talk) 09:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. The ISSN is the correct one for African philosophy, which is the predecessor to the Philosophia Africana covered at the target [9]. A separate question is whether a disambiguator is necessary at all, I don't have an opinion on the general case, but here it appears to be needed as there exists another journal with the same title [10]. – Uanfala (talk) 12:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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Disambiguate Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate


Never seen this before. Also, might refer to a specific entry using a specialized nomenclature. Might also be used in coding. But I pay a lot of attention to my country's politics, and this is not something I've seen.

After doing research, I see this number primarily used in reference to a notable Italian aircraft vehicle, and a trouble code for a part in various vehicles. The only reference to the campaign/election is this site by Democracy in Action, a website (organization?) operated by the George Washington University. But the "p2008" seems to have been chosen for simplicity, and not because it is a common term. Mr. Guye (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Musical families

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List of important opera terminology

The word "important" is subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL. The information sought can be found at the target, even though it is organised as concepts rather than terms there is large overlap. Thryduulf (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Additional comment from nominator: The use of the word "important" on this redirect could be seen by readers having the same problem as most redirects starting with the word "other". The reader may go to the list page without the word "important" present in its title, and in most cases (like the one of this redirect,) that page is the target of this nominated redirect. So, of the reader doesn't consider any of the items listed at the list page "important", they may look up the title with the word "important" (this redirect), and be redirected here. With this being said, this causes a similar problem as the redirects that start with the word "other", and that it ... it is unclear what the word "important" as defined in this redirect is meant to exclude. Steel1943 (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's the former title of the article, and it's been around since 2008 in the current form, not to mention however long the article was at this title. Including "important" isn't actively harmful, and we shouldn't delete old redirects unless they no longer work or unless they're actively harmful. Nyttend (talk) 18:36, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
@Nyttend: The article resided at List of important opera terminology for about half a day (i.e. 12 hours) on June 22, 2008. See here. I would agree with you per WP:R#K4 if it had been at this title for a substantial amount of time. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
So? The title has been a blue link for nearly nine years, making it likely to have gotten links in all that time. Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
You stated "not to mention however long the article was at this title", so I thought I'd check the page history and see how long it was there. I didn't know how much of a factor that was in your !vote. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 14:17, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep per Thryduulf and Nyttend. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:01, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:R#K4 and the first sentence of Nyttend's rationale. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - No more affinity for "important" than any other similar adjectives, for example, "significant" (e.g. List of significant opera terminology). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
    • If that redirect existed I would argue that it should be kept for exactly the same reasons as this one - namely the information sought can be found at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:41, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
      • If that redirect existed I would argue that it should be deleted for exactly the same reasons as this one - namely that important and synonyms have no more affinity for this list title than any other. By it existing and especially being retained here, credence is given to this type of redirect, and one could argue for countless adjective redirects for every list. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 14:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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  • Delete. The "important" modifier is confusing and undefined. What makes a certain opera terminology important? -- Tavix (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete I was about to close this as no consensus, but upon further reflection, I think it's misleading and thus doing more harm than good. The target page is meant like an index, listing topics, not terminology. If we had a Glossary of opera terms (compare to, for example, Glossary of musical terminology or Glossary of operating systems terms), this could point there harmlessly enough, but as is, this feels somewhat arbitrary. Opera itself might be just as good a place to get "important opera terminology" as the current target. --BDD (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. The modifier "important" is potentially confusing, and the target isn't a glossary of terms anyway. My second preference would be retarget to Glossary of musical terminology. WJBscribe (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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"Pure3D" does not occur in the target article once. Lordtobi () 10:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

That makes it a bit WP:RFD#D2 confusing, by RFD's usual lights (well mine) but I would have said more that this might be WP:XY. I have seen so many productsm,, graphics cards and tellies and stuff, marked "Pure3D" that I don't think we can pin it on any one of them. Trying to rack my brains here. Perhaps Delete for that reason. Others will have other opinions. Si Trew (talk) 23:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Most of the gsearch results I get are for graphics cards from various manufacturers. Perhaps it's a bit WP:XY. I don't think it is a trademark. Si Trew (talk) 23:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


Unlikely typo. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete no notable use as a hashtag or website that would combine the words. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. This redirect was created in 2002, most likely back before the Wikipedia software recognized spaces. This redirect is probably a {{R from old history}}, even if the "W" in "War" isn't capitalized. Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Spelled as one word as part of URLs, for example Schwede66 09:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Jezza Corbyn

Pure slang, and a nickname which is never used for Jeremy Corbyn. Don't think this redirect is at all necessary Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 09:40, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • keep— or am I missing something here? Googling shows that this nickname is widely used, even in the press. Mangoe (talk) 14:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep — he is not infrequently referred to as Jezza including in the press, although usually only once his full name has been mentioned and not at the same time as his surname. Still, if someone were to look at this page, it's clear they want to reach Jeremy Corbyn PriceDL (talk) 14:51, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Ah, you Brits. I thought you only did this with "footballers". --BDD (talk) 16:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) I just found this by way of drafting the dab for hodd. Si Trew (talk) 08:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, I can't find any evidence that "Hoed" is the name of the norse god etc. This is a back-formation by ((eubot). I think it is a long way out. I was going to add it to the draft DAB which we are doing for the one below, but then realised this is a bit of WP:RFD#D5 nonsense really. At best it would be WP:XY. This is why Goed does not exist. Si Trew (talk) 08:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment. That's odd. It used to turn over the page at UTC, one hour behind me depending on where I am but now it turned it over on a different time zone? (I am UTC+3 right now) Si Trew (talk) 08:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC). I would have expected to be able to backlink to the discussion. Si Trew (talk) 08:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Which is at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_20#Hodd... I can understand it turning over, am I losing my mind, because I was listing this morning at the 20th page and now we are on the 21st page. Has someone changed the settings for when it turns over? I was just in the middle of drafting the DAB when it turned over. Si Trew (talk) 08:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Probably am losing my mind. I was just catching up on yesterday's. Si Trew (talk) 08:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • delete "Hoed", being the past tense of "to hoe", isn't going to send me to a Norse god, especially since the real name rhymes with "loathe", not with "load". Mangoe (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I never thought of the past tense of hoe... was trying to think in a very Scrabble like manner but that never occured to me. How odd. Or should I say hoe ed. Anyway, it would be WP:NOUN wouldn't it. Si Trew (talk) 23:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


The term is not used in the article, so the connection is unclear. -- Tavix (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

  • This used to redirect to Johal, for a long time an article about a Jat clan. Now it's a surname index, but even so I think there's nothing wrong with retargeting there as an {{R from plural}}. – Uanfala (talk) 10:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
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R3 doesn't quite apply as this is a plausible redirect, even though unlikely, while Music, Musical theatre or Musical all have legitimate claims to be the primary usage. My inclination would be to redirect this to the dab page at Musical rather than try to second-guess the reader, but I can also see a legitimate case for a soft redirect to wikt:Musically.  ‑ Iridescent 21:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep and hatnote to Musical. It's very likely for someone searching for the software to miss the dot, especially given the target demographic. feminist 04:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
  • This is ambiguous. It could refer to the service, but it can also relate to other music-related things. Convert it to a disambiguation page. UpsandDowns1234 (Talk to me) (My Contribs) 05:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
    • ...What other articles would be on such a disambiguation page? Besides the current target, everything else that I can think of/find would be a WP:DICDEF association. Steel1943 (talk) 06:47, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment It could be kept for {{R from stylization}}, but the trademark searches are ambiguous. It is not clear they own the word without the period in it. But linking to "music" would be more of a dictionary definition and to a common word "music" that would be considered overlinking. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 13:42, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep It seems quite reasonable to refer to the website as "Musically". Since we're not a dictionary, what else would be called such? Do users really need an additional push to get to Music? --BDD (talk) 16:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

.*Delete. WP:NOT an advertisement for a band or musical group. I think we should at the very best redirect to Music, but it is best off deleted. We are not an advertisement for other people's websites. Si Trew (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Category:Cannabis by American presidential admministration

Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: deleted

April 20


WP:XY. Peiple might be looking for a hod or whatever. Bot creation, eubot. Si Trew (talk) 23:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

OK I'll take it and draft under R as usual. Si Trew (talk) 08:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Made a draft for your consideration. We can probably make it better. On the way I found Hoed, by eubot, listed above. Si Trew (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Dabify. SimonTrew has done a great job on the disambiguation. (I assume you meant "See also" where you wrote that you couldn't remember, feel free to undo if that's wrong, though). Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:40, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Yep, the words went out of my head. "See also" was exactly what I meant, just couldn't find the words. I think there is a comment in there saying so. Si Trew (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Just warning you, with clean hands, that a bot has notified me at [[11]] sec 35 as stands, that this has been noticed. This is User:DPL bot and probably nothing to worry about. Seems to me we have a strong consensus to dabify. Si Trew (talk) 12:25, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn
Sure, I will close the discussion if I make a cock-up. I didn't think it was wise to do it in this case, but thanks for the kinda "deputising". I do actually check and do my homework, but sometimes I miss. Two more lists gone red today. Si Trew (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn by nominator

speedy retarget

Yueksek Sadakat

IN the confusion with Twinkle I forgot to say this is eubot and nominated by me, not Germanic but Turkish Si Trew (talk) 19:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Lots of hits with this spelling, primarily related to the Eurovision Song Contest (e.g. [12]), but that is much less of a niche area of interest than you might expect. Thryduulf (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Unreleased version of Mac OS per WP:CRYSTAL. The latest version is macOS 10.12. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. as per nom. They might call it anything else. We didn't have Windows 9 for example. Si Trew (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom, especially when they have been incrementing by .1 for releases. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Also doesn't help the redirect's cause when they've renamed the OS to macOS and dropped the "X" entirely. Anarchyte (work | talk) 05:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete: Only seems to be used as a speculative term on forums by very few people. Not a generally accepted term and likely to cause confusion by redirection. PriceDL (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) Not germanic, but Finnish Si Trew (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

At Google Search Books? That is handy. The fact it is used once, and I will assume it is in that book, is not too much to say about it. That just means an English translator, or more likely the printer publisher, has translated it that way, which still doesn't count. Consensus is in general to scrub Finno-Ugric language ones made up by eubot. So Hungarian and Finnish tend to go. Germanic, consensus is to keep. Some are on the borderline because of, er, the borders changed... Si Trew (talk) 07:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you really think that someone searching for Keflavik is going to write or search for "Keflavikurflugvoellur"? They won't. This is a back-formation by User:Eubot that is just downright WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 09:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
You already have a mixed-language redirect in that "flugvoellellur" is not the Finnish for "Airport". It's a mixed-language redirect created by Eubot. Si Trew (talk) 09:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Why would you want it to be Finnish? This airport is in Iceland, and flugvöllur is Icelandic for "airport". Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:55, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Nomination withdrawn by SiTrew.

Cooperative online dictionary of trauma

A soft redirect to a glossary in Wiktionary where it's not mentioned. I think it's strange to redirect something like this to Wiktionary in the first place as it's more of an encyclopedic topic than a dictionaric topic. -- Tavix (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete the book is not mentioned in the references section for that wiktionary entry. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, I am against cross-wiki redirects anyway but for a different reason. (Because I just don't think they help.) But for now I am not sure on this particular one, considering that "co-operative" can be spelled/written in so many ways. Is it useful? I would say not. But on the other hand I suppose people will search that way. It gets a steady trickle of hits, about twice a week one or two... so it is harmless, but probably those are bot hits or in its absence they would find it anyway. Si Trew (talk) 07:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per the nomination, this is a very specific title. If someone is searching for this they almost certainly want encyclopaedic information about the subject, not a general dictionary of trauma. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Agglomeration community of the Angers Loire Metropole

(eubot) that is WP:FORRED. Si Trew (talk) 17:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

And Agglomeration community is not English then, and the back end is French? Je peut parler francais comme une vache espanol. "Agglomeration" makes no sense in English, it would mean "built-up area" roughly, this is just WP:RFD#D5 nonsense.
  • Keep per Tavix. Direct translation of the former pre-2016 term. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. You cannot translate "Agglomeration" in that way, it should never have been translated in that way in the first place. Eubot making more of them is just adding salt to the fire. "Agglomeration" is also traffic jam". Should I go around creating Traffic jam community of the Angers and so on? Si Trew (talk) 07:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
"Combined" is probably the nearest, it is a word hard to translate really, the essence of it. All of these "Agglomeration" ones should never have been made, that is a shitty translation. Si Trew (talk) 07:55, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. Agglomeration is the English translation of agglomération, is it not? (Wiktionnaire says it is) And the name of the community is "Angers Loire Métropole". Prior to 2016 this was Communauté d'agglomération d'Angers Loire Métropole, which this title translates properly other than missing diacritics. It is now named Communauté urbaine ... or "urban community" in English. I think it should be "Urban community of the Angers Loire Métropole", but it's the right target nonetheless. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Ivanvector and Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 23:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Gyoergy Kolonics

(eubot) another bit of nonsense WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Not Germanic but Hungarian. Si Trew (talk) 17:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Gyoergy is a transliteration that is in use. [14] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. this is a crappy way to translate the Hungarian name. "George" would be the correct translation as in, for example George Mikes. It is just a crappy bot creation. "Gyorgy" I can accept but not this. Si Trew (talk) 07:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Crappy or not, it's in use by such sources as the LA Times. Thryduulf (talk) 23:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


This is proably alright , standard Germanic dong, but since it goes to a glossary that doesn't have it, I think this is a bit iffy. Si Trew (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Speedy keep - clearly indicated in the creation summary that this is intended to transliterate Gröfaz, which is at the target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Ivanvector. Valid transliteration of term at target section.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes... welll, it is a transliteration I grant you that. But it is not at the glossary of terms. If someone wants to (why I don't know) look up specifically "Groefaz" in a glossary, they are not going to find it there. WP:NOTDICT, essentially. Si Trew (talk) 07:28, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Andres oend

Theres another to combine with this. Eubot. Si Trew (talk) 16:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete - clearly indicated in the creation summary that this transliterates Andrés önd, which has been deleted. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:59, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • taken to CSD right now. Thanks for reminding me of the previous discussion. I think there are a few other even more bizarre ones by Eubot. Si Trew (talk) 08:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: I didn't speedy it because I couldn't think of a criterion that fit. Is there a discussion somewhere about G6 applying to listed Eubot redirects? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps Anthony Bradbury could explain why he thinks it's G6. -- Tavix (talk) 15:12, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
If you feel a different deletion criterion is more appropriate I will not argue. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 18:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. @Anthony.bradbury: I would have recommended deletion, but for the record this was not a speedy deletion candidate. G6 is for uncontroversial maintenance and similar, and there has never been a consensus that Eubot redirects qualify for that (not least because it got so much more right than it got wrong). The closest criterion is G8, but even then that is too big a stretch for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 23:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Doeme Sztojay

Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

Coty Inc Class A

No discussions of these stock classifications at the various targets. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Vornado Realty Trust Reit Trust

All unlikely titles with redundant terms added in. A REIT is the same as a realty or property trust, and all of them are also trusts. The titles are also oddly truncated in most cases. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete not helpful to keep redirects of shorthands of mutual fund notations for a company. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Fortune Brands Home And Security I

All strangely truncated titles, suggesting the (mis)use of an automated tool to mass-create redirects. Unlikely search terms. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete not helpful to keep redirects of shorthands of mutual fund notations for a company. WP:NOTCATALOG AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


Incorrect format for a {{R from stock symbol}} creating a pseudo-namespace redirect. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Texas Instrument Inc

Unlikely for readers to look for/link to this article from an incorrect spelling of the company's name coupled with its corporate form. Unlikely typo. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. I think the Google test is an appropriate indicator of the likelihood, and the exact form (singular + Inc) gets over 11,000 Google hits, including news articles. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. Even though I have lived in Texas and have a TI calculator on my desk right now (an old one), I think this is very likely. In my profession as an engineer, people would often kinda disambiguate in speech in a noisy environment by shouting "Texas Instrument Inc" and in sign language in a noisy work environment (and I am talking factory floor not Dilbert). The fact that there is an "S" missing, perhaps, is because when shouting across a factory floor an S sibilant doesn't carry too well. I think this is a very likely search term. I am not American. Si Trew (talk) 08:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
That's weird. You'd expect me to be the first person to want to delete this as clutter... I am not doing this on purpose to make a point or oppose the nominator, who I respect very much. Weird why my opinion is what it is. Si Trew (talk) 08:18, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, I change my mind. Delete. People will be better served to find what they are looking for when this is not here. Si Trew (talk) 08:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment That is simply not true, User:AngusWOOF. The NY Times has made this exact mistake, including here, here and here. And one of the examples you cite is already a WP redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:42, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I'll strike my vote as someone finds it useful, even though it should be marked as {{R from typo}} and maybe {{R from singular}} AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Gears of War/Sandbox/Ubidays

Cross-namespace redirect to a page where nothing about what the infobox formerly included is present. Lordtobi () 13:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Good morning User:Lordtobi. Do you want to combine these with the other Ubisoft ones from yesterday? Si Trew (talk) 08:21, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Don't think so, this is a cross-namespace redirect of no real use, purpose, or sense, and adds atop of what we have with the Ubidays redirect, so it's its own case, probably a speedy? Lordtobi () 08:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Redirects from user subpages to article space are completely harmless and as there is no indication that user:Gears of War wants this deleted there is absolutely no reason or benefit to deletion it. Thryduulf (talk) 23:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Ketchapp Games

Not sure how to handle this one, but "Ketchapp Games" is neither the official, nor a frequently used title, I heard it that time or another, but that's about it. Lordtobi () 10:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

No, just mark as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Or do you suggest it be retargeted to Ketchup or what? 10:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
It's probably best we make a DAB and cut this redirect in the meantime. Si Trew (talk) 10:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's pretty common for game studios go have "Games" after their name, so it's a valid {{R from incorrect name}} assuming this is not a legal name. The unique spelling precludes any target being sought. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's true, but then you're getting into it being WP:NOT a billboard or advertisement. Which considering what we had yesterday, I am not sure of. Perhaps I am too cynical. Si Trew (talk) 08:02, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. I was not going to vote on this one, but I've found a few websites that has called them "Ketchapp Games": [15] [16] [17]. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Anarchyte's findings. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Games created by Ketchapp

Target holds zero or little information on the subject. Wikipedia is not a catalogue. Lordtobi () 10:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

You are too sweet. It holds very little information on the subject. It holds some. WP:NOTDIRECTORY, Delete all'. Si Trew (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep all except Games created by Ketchapp. Games created by Ketchapp can be deleted because it is no longer necessary, when I made that redirect there was a list of games on the Ketchapp article. The list is no longer there. The others can be kept because they are all possible search terms. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Followup: ZigZag (2015 Video Game) can also go, along with 2 Cars (game). Unnecessary disambiguation. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Talking unnecessary disambiguations, all ZigZag-related redirects should be deleted and traded in for ZigZag (video game), which doesn't even exist [yet]. Also, none of the redirects for Don't Touch the Spikes would--if it was an article--comply with Wikipedia's capitalization guidelines, which would be Don't Touch the Spikes, but that also does not exist [yet]. Regardless, the target article includes no information at all on 2 Cars, Amazing Brick or Amazing Ninja, just a mention on Don't Touch the Spikes, and a few mentions on ZigZag, which is likely their most notable (if you can call that notable) game. None of the games are actually notable. Lordtobi () 10:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with ZigZag (mobile game) being renamed to ZigZag (video game), but deletion is unnecessary. Redirects are made when they're plausible search terms but non-notable. Here are some sources for 2 Cars, obviously not enough to make an article, but as indication that people might want to search for it: [18] [19]. Press release for Amazing Brick. Here are two for Amazing Ninja [20] [21]. Even if they're not capitalised correctly, they can still exist with the {{r from other caps}} tag. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Of the above sources, only Kotaku is reliable + notable. Through the WP:VG-custom search engine, we find only one hit (the Kotaku one) for 2 Cars, 0 hits for Amazing Ninja, and one hit for Amazing Brick (in great detail, though!). Redirects might be cheap, but they should not be misleading. The guideline is meant to make keeping redirects to the same topic to avoid possible duplicate pages (e.g. "ZigZag (mobile game)" pointing to "ZigZag (video game)", to not have them co-exist as two articles with same-y content. The guideline, however, does not express keeping misleading redirects. Users searching for e.g. "2 Cars" would want to find out about gameplay, development, [plot ,] and reception of said game, and not be redirected to a page where they would not find out anything about the game, but rather about its publisher. And out of the 109 apps (I checked it) published by Ketchapp for iOS, why would have especially those four handeled in multiple redirects? We have no reason in keeping them. Lordtobi () 11:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes but that's the thing. We make redirects when it is a plausible search term, and as it is a product made by Ketchapp, redirecting it to Ketchapp would be a smart idea. They are redirects because they're not notable, if they were notable, they'd have an article. Many articles of small indie games and so on start out as redirects and are fleshed out as time goes on. Also, at AfD, when something is non-notable, one of the alternatives to deletion is to redirect it, for example, here are two AfDs that have recently been closed as "merge and redirect" and "redirect". Here's a couple more: 1, 2. I understand that those final examples may tread into the realm of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but I'm using them as examples to show that non-notable products are typically redirected to a related article, such as the developer, and your argument of " And out of the 109 apps (I checked it) published by Ketchapp for iOS, why would have especially those four handeled in multiple redirects?" goes into the realm of WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST. I'm going to stick by my !vote for these reasons. We'll have to wait and see what others think. -- Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, that was extremely well reasoned and I see your point. Mine are these:
  • Software companies come and go every day. Believe me, I work for them
  • If they are not notable in themselves the redirects are also not notable
  • I think that things must stand on their WP:OWNFEET, but that is just my personal opinion
  • At the best, we have to get people to where the might want to go. Having seventeen hundred redirects to the same article does not help but hinder that search.
knock in as Si Trew (talk) 19:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep most per Anarchyte. Unless there is risk of confusion with other games, these take readers to a relevant page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment. Taken the tarket to WP:PROD. I wish them luck but this is a non notable small company. We don't do that. Si Trew (talk) 08:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: I've de-prodded the article as I believe they're notable, but feel free to take it to AfD if you believe it'd be deleted. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep selectively only the ones discussed in the article.
    • Delete ZigZag (2015 Video Game) as that capitalization is never a good dab.
    • Keep Don't Touch The Spikes as the capital stylization for the game and its variants. Dont would be an {{R from typo}}.
    • Delete 2 Cars, Amazing Brick, Amazing Ninja as those games are neither discussed nor notable. 2 Cars (game) sounds more like Chicken (game)
    • Delete Games created by Ketchapp per WP:NOTCATALOG
    • When some of their other games get writeups and attract notability they could be reconsidered. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft Ukraine

Studio was never known as "Ubisoft Ukraine", it was mistake made on many Ubisoft studios that were confused with their coutry-named marketing offices. AFAIK, there wasn't even such an office in Ukraine. Lordtobi () 10:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

BBubng this in with the others. Combine. Si Trew (talk) 10:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Marketing offices aren't notable, but game studios are. Makes sense to redirect to the only such game studio in the country. It also might have gotten use (incorrectly?) in the past [22]. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
And how is "Ubisoft Ukraine" somehow more notable than "Ubisoft Hungary" or "Ubisoft Czech Republic". Do I have to call it? I call it. WP:COMPANY. These are not notable. Si Trew (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Am I the only one who has the feeling that Ubisoft is trying to get its name known by "advertising" on Wikipedia? It is a small start-up company, good luck to them. Most of their games only work on Windows, not cross-platform except a couple work on IoS. If they should be advertising to anyone it should be me. Good luck to them but this is not the place to do it. Si Trew (talk) 20:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, redirects certainly don't have to meet a notability standard. Ubisoft has a studio in Kiev, so it's plausible that referring to it incorrectly in this war will occur. Ubisoft doesn't seem to have studios in those countries, so those should stay red. Ubisoft is absolutely massive and has an income of more than half a billion Euros each year. It certainly doesn't need to "advertise" on Wikipedia. If you feel any of these studios aren't notable, take it to AFD.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:33, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Guillemot, Inc.

Completely contextless, likely a hoax. Lordtobi () 10:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Well that is a very strange one. I am trying to remember who said, in print, couldn't tell a guillemet from a guillemot. I have it in my bookshelf but cant think of the name, about 1950. Paddy Richards I think. Si Trew (talk) 10:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
"Guillemot" is the last name of the five founders of Ubisoft, yet this redirect has to do with neither Ubisoft nor Ubisoft Halifax, let alone that Canadian corporations do not include commas in their legal names. Lordtobi () 10:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I imagine they just registered any legal name they could to be on the safe side. But it is not encyclopaeidic. Si Trew (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
The page that links to this redirect is Sprung (video game). The copyrights in this game credit it to Guillemot, Inc., as well as this press release. This PDF, titled "Information concerning the candidates for the Board of directors", states that Yves Guillemot is the director of Guillemot Inc., both in the US and Canada. While I cannot find evidence pointing towards this, I believe that Guillemot, Inc. and Ubisoft Halifax are the same company., given that both are located in the US and Canada, and have connections to both co-founders of Ubisoft. -Einstein95 (talk) 11:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Under Quebecian law, I was able to find a company named "Guillemot Inc." (w/o comma!), that is/was located at 440-6300 av. du Parc, Montréal (not Halifax!), so the current target is definetly wrong, also considering that Guillemot Inc. was registered 1997, and Ubisoft Halifax acquired in 2013. Also, your above statement saying that Ubisoft Halifax operates in the U.S. and Canada is false, as it only operates in Halifax. Now refining, in Montreal, there are two more Ubisoft entities: Ubisoft Montreal (the development studios) and Ubisoft Canada (the marketing office), the prior is located at 5505 Boulevard Saint-Laurent, while the latter is at 250 rue Saint-Antoine Ouest, so neither is related to Guillemot Inc. invalidating all likely targets for the redirect. I suspect that Guillemot Inc. is/was pretty unrelated to Ubisoft in general, why else would the licensing be handeled by a second hand and not directly Ubisoft Entertainment SA in France (HQ) or Ubisoft, Inc. in California (North American publishing and distribution home for Ubisoft since establishment in 1991)? According to Bloomberg, "Guillemot Inc operates as a subsidiary of Guillemot Corp. SA", the latter being a hardware manufacturer/designer. I found the German Wikipedia article (which, though, is farily horribly sourced) on the case stating that said company is a different company from Ubisoft, though from the same people, which is nowadays held up by Claude Guillemot (rather than Yves, who is the director of Ubisoft). Talking around alot of corners here--tl;dr--Guillemot Inc. is a subisidiary of Guillemot Corporation SA, which is unrelated to Ubisoft (and especially Ubisof Halifax), and we have no information at all regarding that company, wherefore the redirect is implausible and should be deleted. Lordtobi () 11:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Ivory Tower (game developer)

Unnecessary disambiguation, redirect only receives an average of >1 visits per day. Lordtobi () 10:00, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Delete. We already have a disambiguation, we don't need two. That is ambiguating a disambiguation. Si Trew (talk) 10:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Blue Byte (version 2)

Was originally a doubled article with what was "Ubisoft Blue Byte" (falsely), and then moved to the current name, redirected again to "Blue Byte". Lordtobi () 09:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft Romania

Misleading, Ubisoft Romania (located in Brăila, rather than Bucharest) was a marketing office, and not the studio it currently redirects to. Lordtobi () 09:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft Kyiv

Unofficially localized version of target name. Wikipedia is not a dictioniary, especially not on fictional words. Lordtobi () 09:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Odd to call the official romanization used by the Ukrainian government a "fictional word". ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
    By "fictional word" I meant 'Ubisoft Kiev'--pardon if I didn't express that properly. Lordtobi () 15:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
If "Ubisoft Kiev" is fictional, take it to WP:AFD. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Redirect is fine, as for the article, take it to AfD if you feel like it isn't notable. Anarchyte (work | talk) 05:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) I am only listing this because it might be a bit prejudiced on the bot's side. I would say Weak keep. Si Trew (talk) 09:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft Quebec City

Target never held the name "Ubisoft Quebec City" in primary or secondary sources, only some IMDb and IGN databases (tertiary sources!) mention, but do not detail out, that name. Lordtobi () 09:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I am one of the few here who have actually been to Quebec City, and the capital, Ottowa. If it is not in RS kill it. Strong delete. Si Trew (talk) 09:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually User:Ivanvector lives somewhere in Canada. He would be the expert on this one. Si Trew (talk) 09:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, Ubisoft's official site calls it "Ubisoft Quebec". -Einstein95 (talk) 11:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment ((responding to ping)) - Ubisoft Québec is physically located in Quebec City, as the city is commonly known amongst Anglophones to distinguish it from the Province of Quebec, and in this case may further disambiguate this location from Ubisoft Montreal, also located in the Province of Québec. The redirect is not wrong, but is it useful? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. As Ivanvector notes, many people call the city Quebec City, and this helps distinguish it from Ubisoft Montreal. At best useful, at worst harmless.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Austro-Hungarian coroana

(eubot) this can go speedily. The Korona or Corona, fine, but this is a bot creation from a misspelling. This is well too far out. I think Speedily Delete. Si Trew (talk) 09:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. A simple Google Books search that anyone can do in ten seconds [23], or even searching Wikipedia (see: Coroana) would show that this is Romanian translation for the Austro-Hungarian currency. Given that large parts of Romania were under Habsburg rule for centuries, this should be kept. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
And a simple dictionary search in your own head will tell you that "coroana" is not a word. In Hungarian it would be with Korona. In other languages i would be in several. This isn't oene of them. Wikipedia, the misleading encyclpoaedia. Si Trew (talk) 15:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
This is Romanian, without the diacritic, which is fine per WP:DIACRITICS. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
It is not fine. I can speak a bit of Romanian, a lot of Roma live around here. This is nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Are you telling me that "Austro-Hungarian coroana" is Romanian? That just makes me laugh. Si Trew (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
coroana goes to DAB, by the way. I know what it means, none of the entries have this spelling. This is just wrong. Si Trew (talk) 16:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
And your Google Books search brings up for me Romanian dictionaries and nothing more. Si Trew (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
"coroana" is Romanian, without the diacritic. Having the country name in English is standard (e.g. Turkish lira). The dictionaries show that coroana and krone both mean "crown", and some of the sources do refer to the two analogously. [24] Austro-Hungarian_krone#Name also supports this and notes that the Romanian spelling was apprently used on Austro-Hungarian currency in Romanian-heavy areas. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:00, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
We are not doing numismatism here. I think this one needs more discussion. That links throuh to "Krone", not "Coroana". I know what an English Crown is or whatever, that is not the point. Si Trew (talk) 17:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
It's not about money it is about crowned heads of state etc. WP:XY at the least. Si Trew (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Besides our article make this connection, it's made in numerous academic papers (e.g. [25] at n 12). It's no more a case of WP:XY than Chinese Yuan (is it about Yuan-era people), Japanese Yen (Circles in Japan?) or British Pound (maybe they're looking for locations housing stray dogs?). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak keep This seems like a quite implausible search term, and the total lack of page views backs that up; but WP:CHEAP applies and Patar knight makes a good argument for keeping. Sideways713 (talk) 20:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Zuercher Oberland

Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn.


(eubot) well the council of Guenes might be, but the council of Gueenes isn't. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 09:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn.

Pokemon Water Blue

(eubot) probably via neelix. I dunno. Patently Water Blue is not FireRed and LeafGreen, on any reasonable search. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 09:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Delete. Possibly got confused with Pokemon Blue, but either way this isn't a real thing and is an implausible redirect. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Delete. A user, when typing this in the search box, would probably mean Pokémon Blue for Game Boy. I see why this redirect exists -- for those who were confused that the partner to FireRed is LeafGreen and not something like WaterBlue, but I still stand against this redirect, for the fact that it has never existed and never will exist. Manfred (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Peck Building

Target only includes one sentence on the building, making the redirect unnotable. Lordtobi () 09:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Well grab these all together in a lump. Si Trew (talk) 09:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

A (betu)

(eubot). I think when we are taqlking about alphabets and so on, we must be 'very particular. That is what people are searching for. You cannot back-form it in this way WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 09:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete If this pointed anywhere, it should point to A and not Å; but it would still be deletable as a WP:FORRED. Sideways713 (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft Italy

Misleading, "Ubisoft Italy" is the marketing office located in Buccinasco, not the development studio in Milan. Lordtobi () 09:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Valcea (disambiguation)

(eubot) This does not disambiguate in any way at all... it clutters Si Trew (talk) 09:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

No, it hinders. There is already a disambiguation page. Now we have a bot created misspelling to that same disambiguation page. That is just clutter, and doesn't help but hinders people searching. Si Trew (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) this may be a bit too far out. Probably OK. Not in article, though, with this spelling. I could imagine people would look for the Ford Kia or something, perhaps better as red. Weak delete. Si Trew (talk) 08:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Disambiguate. I've made a draft DAB at the page. If this happens, the hatnote at the current target should be fixed to point at the DAB. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • DAB it as Patar said above. Si Trew (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubiquitous Software

The redirect title term does not exist. The page itself was created as an unreferenced hoax article by an IP user, mocking ubiquitous computing (which it now redirects to), and was linked to by the same user on Bill Grisworld, which was reverted shortly after. Lordtobi () 08:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Righty ho I will follow this up, @Lordtobi:. The thing really is to take the article first, to WP:PROD, then the redirects will fall out afterwards. Si Trew (talk) 08:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hybride Technologies

Target holds no information on the given subject, except for a single mention. Lordtobi () 08:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

We could probably redirect this to hybrid technology or some such. But since it is a Ubisoft brand name I am Not sure. (I have never worked for Ubisoft, never want to.) Si Trew (talk) 08:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Combine with the one I have below. for similar. Si Trew (talk) 09:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot). On the face of it, this makes a reasonable redirect. "Judaeo-" after all is an all right English prefix. Since this is a back-formation by a bot, I do think we have to get reliable sources that this term is used in real life beyond Wikipedia. Listing then checking. Si Trew (talk) 08:18, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Unsure. I see hits for this, some of which are obviously derived from Wikipedia but others I'm not sure about their indpendence. Thryduulf (talk) 05:08, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft redirects of entities that do not exist

Target holds no information on the given subject, and subject itself does not exist. Lordtobi () 08:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: have you just been fired from Ubisoft or what? Go carefully, because they do have information on the subject. I list a lot from eubot lists, I am just saying, it can look like that if you're not careful. Si Trew (talk) 08:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
And also thanks that I am not the only one here tidying up the mess at Wikipedia! Si Trew (talk) 08:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • (on Ubi Soft Entertainemt Ltd. / Ubisoft Entertainment Inc) Delete, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Si Trew (talk) 08:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep the last two (but especially the last one) as {{R from incorrect name}}. Not too unlikely that people might not be familiar with the precise legal classification of the company. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
    Note, though, that no company by the name "Ubisoft Entertainment Inc" (in what variation ever) exists, as the French HQs are "Ubisoft Entertainment SA", while the North American subsidiary is simply "Ubisoft, Inc."; Ubi Soft Entertainment LtdLimited did exist, though the article itself holds no information on the British marketing office, really, and it is not a plausible term after all. Lordtobi () 20:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all but the last one. The 2nd to last could possibly be kept, but "Ubi Soft" isn't written anywhere, so I'm neutral on that one. The last one is 100% viable and should be kept. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:09, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Rainer Bluem

(eubot) Germanic, but you can't bugger about with surnames like that. He was not called "Bluem" Si Trew (talk) 08:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Valid transliteration. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep These types of transliterations are quite common. scope_creep (talk) 11:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per the above. It seems that either the subject or someone else with the same name has registered domain names with this spelling of their name, so all the evidence points to this not being "buggering about". Thryduulf (talk) 05:11, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft studio redirects with only list entries

Target holds no information on the given subject, except for a list entry. Lordtobi () 08:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:RFD#D2, confusing. There is nothing about Ubisoft Casablanca. Si Trew (talk) 08:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Onyx Engine

Target holds no information on the given subject. Lordtobi () 08:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I think this is downright misleading. Strong delete. Just because they presumably use the "Onyx" engine, does not mean they own it. Si Trew (talk) 08:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I notice that "Ubiquitous Software" is blue, and redirects to Ubiquitous computing. I have little else to say about how "Unisoft" got its name... Thanks for finding them. Si Trew (talk) 08:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the noticing, I listed Ubiquitous Software at RfD (above) and hung UniSoft into CSD. Lordtobi () 08:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Redirect to Obsidian Entertainment, the developers of Onyx Engine. PriceDL (talk) 14:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


Target holds no information on the given subject. Lordtobi () 08:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Presumably internal company slang for a day off or whatever, not encylopaedic even if we had information on it. Si Trew (talk) 08:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

If --

(eubot) I suppose this is all right and we have consensus, nearly, that changing an em dash to two hyphens is fine. I am not looking for evidence in print etc, I just trying to establish consensus, that these eubot ones with em dashes replaced by hyphens (as "{{R from title without diacritics}}", of course) are all right? Weak keep on my part. Si Trew (talk) 08:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

If you notice, there is a space in the R that there isn't in the target title. I don't think that makes any difference. Si Trew (talk) 08:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Most cases of – to -- are probably fine. Target is unlikely to be moved, so it's also WP:CHEAP. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Plausible and harmless. Change the R cat template if it is incorrect. Thryduulf (talk) 05:12, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Laszlo Koeteles

(eubot) not Germanic but Hungarian Si Trew (talk) 08:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

It is not OK. Laszlo is "lesley", roughly. To then change someone's surname is a but absurd. It is not OK. Si Trew (talk) 17:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
The consensus as far as we have so far is to keep Swedish and German ones and to throw out things that are not Germanic language. This is Hungarian language. You can't just stick dots on the top or take them out and say oh that is all right. Usual Eubot WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Still;l see no evidence of this name being used. Si Trew (talk) 17:18, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Considering that Hungary was ruled by Germans for centuries, I'm inclined to keep these transliterations if the transliteration gets use, which this one does, per the cases in the link above. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep the spelling "Laszlo Koeteles" is in widespread use for this person. Thryduulf (talk) 05:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


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Ortakoey, Corum

(eubot) Not Germanic but Turkish. Si Trew (talk) 08:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

That search brings me up Lonely Planet on Google Books. Try again. WP:RS please. Si Trew (talk) 17:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
It's WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 17:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
And Lonely Planet is a major travel guide publisher. Other non-Lonely Planet hits exist too from that same search (e.g. Sotheby's Art Auction [28]). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Patar knight. It matters only that the spelling is used, uses don't have to be in reliable sources. The point of redirects like this is so that people can find the article, which is an entirely different matter to the content of the article. Thryduulf (talk) 05:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


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C. O. Mueller

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  • Reopen please.. The only link provided is to a google books search not to actually it being in use. That is running around in circles. Reopen. Si Trew (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Not discussed, Redirects stay open for "about seven days", the only link provided is to a Gbooks search. Si Trew (talk) 23:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Literally all the hits on the first page except four explicitly mention how either Carl Ottfried Muller or C.O. Muller were used. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Andres ond

(eubot) um.... I thought In English Donald Duck was called Donald Duck, not Andres ond. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Again, the lede has this in various languages, no problem with that, but he is not called "Andres ond" in English. Si Trew (talk) 07:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I think we have Andres onde too by Eubot. Somewhere on my list. Si Trew (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I am out on that one, but there are a few more. Si Trew (talk) 20:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
That is not a reliable source, that is a scrape by a lazy sub editor. That, I will bet you all lombard-street to a China orange, has been scraped from Wikipedia. 23:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Refine per Patar knight, this is mentioned in the article with diacritics and so the version without is also a fine redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 05:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Impact de Montreal

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Afaewaerq Gaebrae Iyaesus

(eubot) I can see the transliteration, but I think this is very unlikely to an English speaking audience, considering the target title is already a transliteration. Delete Si Trew (talk) 07:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. This does not appear to be used. Thryduulf (talk) 05:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


()eubot) not germanic but Hungarian Si Trew (talk) 07:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

And where do you thing the "FBIS Daily Report" scrapes its news from?" Not a reliable source. Si Trew (talk) 20:18, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Not sure what you're implying. This report was produced in 1990 by the Foreign Broadcast Information Service, which is a part of the CIA. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:18, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Patar knight. It also doesn't matter whether the source is reliable or not, just that it is used independently of Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 05:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

First Battle of Inoenue

(eubot) not Germanic but Turkish. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 07:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Another link to Google Book Search. Please quote your sources properly. Si Trew (talk) 20:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
If it is not "FBUS Daily Report" it is "Google Book Search". That is not enough to dissuade me. Si Trew (talk) 23:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Many of those sources refer to President Inönü (who named himself after his victory after the introduction of surnames by Ataturk), as "President Inoenue", showing that this is a valid transliteration. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
It is 'not a valid transliteration. That is the whole point. We have consensus that Germanic and Swedish ones are substituted, User:Patar knight, but this is not Germanic but Turkish. What eubot did in its mindless way was to transliterate any sodding thing with an umlaut assuming it was German, so we get "Inoenue" instead of what you write. You just can't do that, you can't. It makes a mockery of this encyclopaedia. I am happy to keep {{R from other language}} and {{R from geo}} and so on, but what we are doing here is misleading people. You and I both want to make this encylopaedia better, and I thank you for it. But on this one, you're wrong. Si Trew (talk) 09:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
To fill you in, I can speak Hungarian, English, French, a bit of Spanish, a bit of Latin, some ancient Greek not the new stuff, and a few odds and sods besides. Sometimes I know what I am talking about. I don't know Turkish at all but I know that is not a bloody Germanic umlaut that eubot has substituted in there. Si Trew (talk) 09:28, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Suehbaataryn Yanjmaa

(eubot) Not Germanic but Mongolian. WP:RFD#D5 as usual. Si Trew (talk) 07:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Koelsch (beer)

(eubot) I suppose this is all right, Germanic and stuff, but with the English (beer) disambiguation at the back, it does make it a bit nonsense. Weak Delete. Si Trew (talk) 07:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Valid transliteration. Parenthetical disambiguators are generally in English on this Wikipedia for good reason. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Patar knight. Thryduulf (talk) 05:24, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, I might actually type this when I don't have easy access to the ö. —Kusma (t·c) 06:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

JZ series 664

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(eubot). Not Germanic but Hungarian. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

As far as I can see from Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Eubot_3#.3DS this bot was approved for a trial of ten edits. Too late now, but I have asked and asked again, and this bot has never had approval for a run. A trial run, yes. Si Trew (talk) 13:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. No evidence this is used. Thryduulf (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


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Another turkik turkik from eubot. WP:RHD#D5 delete, nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I presume you don't speak any Hungarian. This is bloody nonsense. Never mind. Si Trew (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
It's Turkish, and given the large number of Turks living in Germany, it's not surprising that German transliterations for umlauts get used on Turkish words occasionally. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
NO, I don't think we can do that. Turks in Germany would not suddenly chuck in a "ue" for a "U umlaut" in their native language., and then back-form it to "Huerriyet", That is just WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. 13:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Champion's list twelve has gone too. Yay!
  • Keep gets plenty of uses independent of Wikipedia. Most prominently, but far from exclusively, in the captions of stock photos and the sources that include such photos. Such uses are very visible and likely to lead to people searching for information using that spelling. Thryduulf (talk) 05:32, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot). Koeresi is not a Hungarian surname, the target is a surname page. The lede tells you some of them, but this ain't one of them, this is a back-formation by eubot. Delete, WP:RFD#D5] nonsense Si Trew (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

You ever lived in Hungary? Ever seen that surname? You can just not do it that way. Let me explain. The "y" at the end is suspicious enough because only used by Hungarian nobles who hang on to their old surnames. Then to make a back-formation from a bot that assumes that an accent in the middle is Germanic whent isn't, is nonsense. The link you gave is to Google Books search and is no use to me at all. I need proper WP:RS that this is used. Si Trew (talk) 17:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Some of the hits in my link very clearly refer to people of Hungarian descent using this transliteration. [33], [34], etc. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I get different hits from you. I think you need proper WP:RS to substantiate your position. For example, near where I live there is a street called Wesselenyi utca. Now Wesseleny (not sure if we have it) is an old Hungarian noble name. The I just means "named after", "Mac", "O'" whatever (roughly). In this case what you have done is taken Koeresi which already has that "mac" on it, taken it off, and stuck a Y at the end of it, and then Germanised it. It's just too far out, I think. Si Trew (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Patar knight's findings. What matters is uses demonstrating usefulness as a search term, not reliable sources verifying information in the article. Thryduulf (talk) 05:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


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Joseph McColgan

Delete, name no longer on target. But also see Talk:Ballymote and User_talk:BDD#Sophia McColgan Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Subject of redirected title is not mentioned in the target article. So, per WP:EASTEREGG, a reader will undoubtedly be confused as to why they ended-up where they ended-up. RFD #5 (redirect makes no sense) and RFD #10 (target article contains no information on the subject) also apply. WP:PERP and related NN criteria also apply to subject of redirect title. Redirect is orphaned. Guliolopez (talk) 12:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

April 19

Rhys Heffley

I can't find any connexion between these two subjects. Adam9007 (talk) 21:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete "Rhys Heffley" Borderlands brings up only this redirect and the WikiProject Video Games article alert about this redirects nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 12:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Rhys is a character, but the surname isn't revealed. Probably some fan theory redirect that should be deleted. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Norman Heffley

I can't find any connexion between these two subjects. Adam9007 (talk) 21:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete per nomination. I too can find not connection between the name and the target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. There seems to be a Norman Hall who did voice work on the game, but the surname is different. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Gyoergy Kulin

(eubot) Because Gyoergy is well... but the article says it needs translation in Hungarian. Leave Tavix to tidy up RfD, I'll get on with that Si Trew (talk) 21:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. "oe" is a perfectly valid redirect to "ö" for those who can not type a "ö" (o-umlaut). Sam Sailor 22:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Gyoergy is a frequently used, if perhaps slightly dated, transliteration. [35] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:16, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Patar knight. Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Glenn Stroemberg

(eubot) seems never to have been called Glenn Stroemberg Si Trew (talk) 21:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. "oe" is a perfectly valid redirect to "ö" for those who can not type a "ö" (o-umlaut). Sam Sailor 22:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Valid Swedish transliteration. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:16, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep this spelling has been used by the New York Times and The Telegraph (both reliable sources) among many other uses. Thryduulf (talk) 12:50, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

1 E 4 m2

(eubot) yeah, anyone is gone search or type in this form. Si Trew (talk) 20:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I know others have other opinons, that is how we get consensus. My opinion is by deleting some redirects we can actually improve the quality. I know I am in a minority on this. To have the User:Neelix ones, they were kinda taken and tossed aside 'without RS under a WP:X1 concession. We agreed by consensus that we did not need that concession for these, which are ten times more than Neelix'. I imagine I will be painted black again. If I toss them RfD's way, have you not thought that I have gone through thousands ands said that is all right, keep, that is OK, that is a bit iffy. I am just kinda dealing from the pack and you have to lay your odds. I keep most of them. Si Trew (talk) 21:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to hectare - follows logically enough from 1 E4 although it has an extra, odd space. 104 m2 is a hectare, so let's take the few users who use this (see stats) to the topic they're looking for. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:19, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per Ivanvector. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment problem is that 1e4 m2 and some of the other notations also redirect to Orders of Magnitude I'd tend towards delete though because of all the spaces between 1 e and 4, but some may find 1 e 4 useful to search rather than 1e4?? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The Fuhrer

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WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. This redirects to a Surname page for spanish surnames. Patently "Agueero" is not a Spanish surname. Si Trew (talk) 20:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep Gets use as a surname in results on the second half of the first page of Google Books results. [36] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ville Itaelae

(eubot). Finnish not Germanic language. Si Trew (talk) 20:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Nue metal

This has probably got (by eubot) from Metal Umlaut, but it may be blocking. The article does not have any metal umlaut. We haven't Si Trew (talk) 20:33, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. The redirect gets view, the spelling gets relevant hits on Google and Nu metal#Terminology and origins states "Nu metal is also known as nü-metal..." with two citations. All this means this is a plausible redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Thryduulf. Don't think there's anything else called Nue metal in English that this could refer to. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:13, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Zuerich (disambiguation)

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Okazakikoen- mae Station

Not Germanic but Japanese. We have no consensus on these yet. User:Siuenti is the expert for these ones. Si Trew (talk) 20:26, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

It was not withdrawn unopposed. The expert on these ones is Siuenti. It was not withdrawn. Check the history. Did you say me seeing keep or withdrawn unopposed. Redirects stick around for roughly says seven days, have you read the instructions? What I said was "we have no consensus on these ones yet". Si Trew (talk) 20:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
It seems to me that Patar knight meant to close the discussion below it. I'll reopen as it obviously hasn't been withdrawn. -- Tavix (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, sometimes the section header/edit links just straight up take me to the wrong section. It must affect the script as well. Don't know if it's server-side or client side. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - {{R from diacritics}}, but the extra space on one side of the hyphen makes this implausible. Stats show not in use. Siuenti is blocked and won't be able to weigh in at the moment. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per Ivanvector. Unless the extra space is common, this is too much. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

S bond

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7.5 cm leichte Infanteriegeschuetz 18

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Sueleyman Nazif

Another turkey bred by eubot for the turkish Si Trew (talk) 20:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. I can find no evidence that this transliteration is in relevant use. Thryduulf (talk) 13:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Sueleyman is a valid, if dated, transliteration for the first name. [40] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) A doppelganger in English is a doppelganger, not a dopplegaenger. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 20:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

he think that gets me is there is a perfectly good word English word, doppelganger. I mean, come on. Si Trew (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. It's a German loanword and the spelling is even used in the article. You have a nonsense definition of nonsense. -- Tavix (talk) 20:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
I know that but it in English, this is the English Wikipedia, would be spelled "Doppelganger" not "Doppelgaenger". Si Trew (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah, yes. I hadn't noticed that part of the word was misspelled, I was focused on the "gaenger" part. I'll strike the "strong" part of my !vote. Thank you for the correction. -- Tavix (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


hmmm, I think this might be a retarget for Millionaire or something, who can tell... well consensus can tell. Perhaps it is not the best target at the moment. (eubot) Si Trew (talk) 20:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. This is a transliteration of one of the target band's most prominent singles, "Millionär", according to the article. Google does show uses with this spelling, although as it's a common word in Norweigian (wikt:Millionar tells me it is the plural indefinite of "million" in Nynorsk) you have to do some filtering of the results. Thryduulf (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Thryduulf. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Hungarian not German. Kill it. Si Trew (talk) 20:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment. I'm seeing a lot of hits for this, but the "Bükkzserc" spelling is what appears in the preview. Further investigation shows that the "ue" version is in the URI though, so it appears that at least one (and probably more) algorithm is converting Turkish ü to ue for URIs. Does that make a good reason for a redirect though? I'm unsure, hence this is presented as a comment rather than a recommendation. Thryduulf (talk) 13:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. The transliteration does get some use (e.g. [41]), even if incorrectly. Tag it {{R from error}}. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot). Errr... cut it unless anyone can find this in RS. Si Trew (talk) 20:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. A simple google search finds no shortage of human uses of this spelling, and plenty more that may or may not be (particularly stock photo sites). Thryduulf (talk) 13:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Thryduulf. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Ernoe von Dohnanyi

(eubot) do you want me to add a redirect for Ernie the Smoker or shall we cut this one. WP:RFD#D5 delete, nonsense. Hungarian by way of German. Nonsense. (Dohany in bodern Hungarian means to smoke, A Dóhanybolt is a tobacconist). Ridiculous bot translation. Si Trew (talk) 19:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll add explanation. The "i" at the end of it means roughly "of". In old Hungarian names you can keep the "y" and "i" just means "of", a dative tense, roughly. So far so good. "von" is also very occasionally used in surnames, but not in this, that is simply a mistake, because "von" also means the same as the "i" at the end". Trebled together with the misspelling of Ernoe, I think this is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. Has this been created by a bot programmed to look for anything that looks vaguely like an umlaut and make a redirect as if it's a German name, however implausible? The "von" makes more sense, by the way. Even if it is tautological with the final "i", "Ernst von Dohnányi" is the form of name the composer himself used. Many sources list him under this form, though the Wikipedia language police have an irritating habit of "correcting" forms of names they don't approve of. --Deskford (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. I can find no evidence that this spelling is used in English language sources (I did find one use in Italian, but that's not relevant to en.wp for an article about someone born in Austria-Hungary who is described as Hungarian but most commonly used a Germanic form of his name). Thryduulf (talk) 13:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Houses of the Mole

(eubot) I know it is a kinda R from diacritics but makes it a bit of nonsense. A mole lives in a Molehill. It is just a bit nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 19:57, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) well that's a new one on me that a scandinavian god called Hoern. I can see where it comes from, but this is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Not called Hoern. Si Trew (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Almost all I can find on Google for this are references to Germany hotels and a few German ships (mainly a dredger based in Kiel harbour) and the occasional surname. Nothing related to the target at all. Thryduulf (talk) 13:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to List of names of Freyja. Valid transliteration of Hörn, one of her attested names. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


eubot redirected it from "üeh-chih". I don't think any reliable sources have this spelling. Si Trew (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. It seems to be an archaic form of the name, as Project Gutenburg is the prime source of hits, but that's more of a reason for a redirect as modern readers will be unfamiliar with the term. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Thryduulf. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Not Germanic but Huungarian. Korrossy must be an unusual surname because I have not heard of it; but Koroesy certainly is not. You just can't do that with names. Si Trew (talk) 19:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. The single relevant human use I found was an author's note in a Project Gutenburg book noting that they had corrected "Koroesy" to "Koeroesy". Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Keleti palyaudvar (Budapest Metro)

Just kill it. It makes no sense without the diacritical marks. We have plenty of others to this place, and I go there every day. Just kill it. Please. Si Trew (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. Every title that includes diacritics should be reachable by a redirect from the same title without diacritics unless the version without diacritics is ambiguous or primary topic for some other article (in which case the title with diacritics should be reachable via a disambiguation page and/or hatnote). Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. WP:DIACRITICS. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Londonderry North (Dail Eireann constituency)

(eubot) I am listing this merely because it is called different things and was hard fought over. It is probably a keep but eubot has mangled the spellings on both sides. It is something of a prejudicial redirect and we can do without it. To be clear, I am not Irish, north or south. Si Trew (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


another tuerkish one from a buerk, eubot Si Trew (talk) 19:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Weak delete. I'm seeing lots of uses of "Tuerk Telekom" but essentially nothing in English in CamelCase. Thryduulf (talk) 14:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


(technical) eubot creation of course. I can't technically mark this as R to DAB, and I can't mark it as R from other name. Keep it probably but a weak delete for now. Si Trew (talk) 19:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


(eubot) not Germanic but Finnish. Si Trew (talk) 19:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. While I'm getting a large number of google searches, they are in a whole host of languages and from what I can make out relate to a whole host of different subjects, so while I'm not sure if this is getting proper English uses or not, if it is there doesn't seem to be a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:Redirect sn

WP:XY and WP:R#ASTONISH. Could refer to {{R from sort name}}, {{R from scientific name}}, {{R from surname}}, {{R from systematic name}}, and others. Mr. Guye (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Studio 4degC

I think that is an odd way to translate the degree sign, but I am probably in a minority. I would write as an engineer "4 deg C" and so on, but this is pushing it. Eubot, of course. Si Trew (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep, but this is R from ASCII-only not R to diacritics. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. This gets uses as an exact phrase in the real world, and even more when only "4degC" and context are required. e.g. the twitter profile seems to be "@4degC". Thryduulf (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:R sn

WP:XY and WP:R#ASTONISH. Could refer to {{R from sort name}}, {{R from scientific name}}, {{R from surname}}, {{R from systematic name}}, and others. Mr. Guye (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. This is a special type of redirect called a "shortcut", and there are dozens, perhaps more, of harmless shortcuts outside of mainspace that do not adhere to WP:XY. Not sure where the nom wanted the second link to go, but WP:ASTONISH provides for least surprise for article readers, not for editors, who use shortcuts like this all the time. If we really want to delete shortcuts like this, we can start here and have a field day, and then go here, here and here and have a real ball.  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  00:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - policy compliant redirect; with 21 harmless transclusions and no hint of astonishment thereby.--John Cline (talk) 00:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Guel Goelge

(eubot) Not Germanic but Turkish. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete I can't find evidence this is used outside Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Zuerich model

(eubot) this model is so well-known, I would have thought, that people would search for "Zurich" not "Zuerich". I could be wrong, though, Si Trew (talk) 19:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. While Zurich model is undoubtedly more common, this is also used and as redirects are cheap and wiki is not paper there is no problem having both. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Pansarvarnskanon m/38

I think another eubot nonsense, maybe ask at WP:MILHIST. All I can find in the article is in the references as "1938". Patently a 37mm gun will not take an m/38. May have been a misspelling that eubot created it from. Si Trew (talk) 19:02, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

ec comment by eubot is redirected "Pansarvärnskanon m/38" straight. Si Trew (talk) 19:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. The answer lies at Bofors 37 mm#Operators#Sweden: "Modernized version was adopted in 1938 as 37 mm pansarvärnskanon m/38. So 37mm, 1938, and the ä is Swedish. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. Thryduulf (talk) 14:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Pukinmaeki railway station

(eubot) not mentioned in any ledes and targets since i have to do WP:BEFORE it seems, can't seem to find this anywhere. I don't see really why I have to do "BEFORE" on things that were patently made up by a bot without any thought, that is a straight blue pencil (editing). Deliberately I don't check outside Wikipedia because things tend to go in circles. Si Trew (talk) 18:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

    • You have to do WP:BEFORE because sometimes the bot did get it right, or the bot got it wrong but the best solution is something other than deletion - in addition to all the usual reasons WP:BEFORE is not optional. Thryduulf (talk) 15:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. On this occasion the bot was completely wrong, but the time spent checking was not wasted. Thryduulf (talk) 15:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

AEther (disambiguation)

strangely this is a eubot creation and the target has it anyway. It is not a disambiguation page, I think that's a fairly straight Delete. Si Trew (talk) 18:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep (weak). AE would be a way of writing the ligature Æ (although why anyone would then put (disambiguation) after it as a search term is beyond me). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. If someone is looking for an article that they know or suspect is not the primary topic for their search term, but don't know what title it is at, then searching for "topic (disambiguation)" will take them straight to the dab page rather than navigating via an article they don't want. This is the case whatever term you are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 15:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Second Battle of Inoenue

It was not fought in a Germanic language, it was fought in Turkey. More Eubot WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 18:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Weak keep. While I'm not finding anything relevant as an exact phrase, "Inoenue" is a spelling used at times for the settlement, e.g. [42] so it's not implausible someone would search for this. Thryduulf (talk) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Access (c)

Back-formed by eubot from Access © in the lede. While (c) is a standard way to do that when you haven't the copyright symbol, I am not sure this makes a good redirect. 741 on User:Champion/Eubot_list_10. Si Trew (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Weak keep as "Access ©" is the operating name of the subject and so it's far from implausible for this to be rendered as "Access (c)" in ASCII-only environments and other situations where "ⓒ" is unavailable or difficult to produce. This is weak only because Access ⓒ is red. Thryduulf (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep as that ascii attempt to make the copyright symbol. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


another eubot implausible back-formation. Probably it can be found in some source somewhere, probably from copied from Wikipedia. Not in article, WP:RFD#D2 confusing. The dueueu is the giveaway. The lede lists many spellings in various languages. This isn't one of them Si Trew (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. This is well used, in sources that did not originate with Wikipedia, but none of those sources are in English - most are presumably Low German (some look German, others look Dutch). Thryduulf (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Erkki-Sven Tueuer

(eubot)... that's pushing it... WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 18:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. This is the spelling used on his author page at Amazon [43] among other uses. Thryduulf (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

United Kingdom general election, 2020

Delete:This election has now been moved forward to 2017. Philip Stevens (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Stay for now. I give reasons
    The Fixed Term Parliaments Act was introduced by the government of te day to have, er, fixed term parliaments, so people could not call a Snap Election
    The date of the UK General Election has been given, but we have little information about the 2017 election except the date, and waffle from politicians. No RS, in other words
    This is premature to delete these Rs for the reasons stated. I am sure people WILL update the information at the target on why there was or was not an election in 2020. WP:NOTNEWS, perhaps
    For now, Stay. Wait a day or two. Si Trew (talk) 18:29, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I am not sure I fully understand your point. The House of Commons has passed the early election motion and Parliament will be dissolved on 3 May. The page for the election (and target for these redirects) has now been moved from "Next United Kingdom general election" to "United Kingdom general election, 2017". To keep links saying "2020" when the election will take place in 2017 might cause confusion. --Philip Stevens (talk) 08:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and nom's comment above. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget first three to Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011#2017_general_election Until a 2020 election is called, the only relevance of that hypothetical election is to the first time since the passing of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, that an election mandated by it did not occur. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 12:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all those that mention 2020, because (unless an early election is again called under Section 2 of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011) there won't be a 2020 general election, since Section 1 of the same Act provides that the parliament that is to be elected on 8 June 2017 will serve until "the first Thursday in May in the fifth calendar year following that in which the polling day for the previous parliamentary general election fell", which is to say, 5 May 2022. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Agree with redirect to Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. That there probably will not be an election in 2020 does not extinguish the fact that for six years the 2020 election was something real and solid created by the act. A precedent for Wikipedia would be things like the 1940 Olympics, events that were scheduled to happen but didn't. A sentence can be written at Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 that according to the act, an election should have been held in 2020.--KTo288 (talk) 06:55, 21 April 2017 (UTC)reedited to include reasoning--KTo288 (talk) 07:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep at least the first three. Since the introduction of the Fixed Term Paliaments Act there has been expected to be a General Election in 2020. As such there are countless references to such in reliable sources, and the lead of the target article explains this. People will continue to search for this, and there is presently no better target to take them to (General Elections in the United Kingdom stops at 2010 for reason). Thryduulf (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn


Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn


(eubot) I think the consensus is to keep on these ones, but is a bit far out. Probably OK. Si Trew (talk) 11:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Leon, Leon

well this is the kind of thing that eubot came up with. It is probably a keep. It doesnt say spain and it isnt spelled right, and it doesnt fit the pattern that WP:GEO does for names, bbut well really WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 11:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Leheo, Greece

Not at target as "Leheo", we have I believe standard spellings for geographic names and nonstandard ones but I think this is a bit way out. I know people search in different ways. Still, Wikipedia has a reputation for being wrong. I suppose I am saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Si Trew (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Gets use, as seen through a Google Books search [44] that could easily have been done as part of WP:BEFORE. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:14, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Patar knight. @SimonTrew: no matter how much you dislike it, WP:BEFORE is not optional. It's taken me essentially all my Wikipedia time today to go through just this one page of nominations from you, and most of them I'm recommending be kept for reasons that would have been obvious had you looked. Particularly as you claim to be evaluating hundreds of others you don't nominate, there is no way you are putting the appropriate effort in to these nominations. If you were getting near 100% of nominations deleted by consensus I might take a different view, but when 50% is the upper bound it's not acceptable. Slow down. There is no deadline. The project will not suffer at all if the few redirects that should be deleted hang around longer, but every time something is deleted that shouldn't be the encyclopaedia suffers damage. Thryduulf (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Troeegs Brewing Company

Troeegs brewery is definitely not the name of an american brewery. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 11:26, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Based on Google search results such as [45] it seems that "Troeegs Brewing Company" is how the organisation's name is rendered on US Customs records. It's quite likely therefore that other organisations render it the same way. Thryduulf (talk) 22:03, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Ucaen script

Not sure.This is not the name of this script so I am not sure how Eubot managed it. Presumably from a german umlaut Si Trew (talk) 11:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • 'Keep. Shockingly, transliterations used in a major academic language with a rich history in archaeology and other humanities work like German do get use. [46] ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
To try to put it plainly. I am going through thousands of these and knocking most to keep, retargeting, redirecting, and so on. I do not have time to do RS or used in sources if we are ever going to get through them. My job, as I see it, is to get through the lists as a librarian and indexer and say does that make any sense. I have to bring everything here for RfD because we do not have any kind -of WP:X1 concession. So when I toss them in RfD's direction, I have had some thought about them, but admittedly not much. Si Trew (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. If you don't have time to "do RS or used in sources" then you need to stop doing something else so you do have time - this is not optional. No ifs, no buts, this is not optional. There is no deadline. Thryduulf (talk) 22:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Steen & Strom

Listing only at RfD because we had this discussion and they were keep. Listing it becaue on Eubot list 10 and will catch up with it. We had this discussion, went keep I think mostly. Si Trew (talk) 11:22, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

And I have to list and keep and throw away things quickly. I cannot do RS and so on. I can only bring them to your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talkcontribs) 11:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Plausible redirect for those who can't type Ø/ø. Sam Sailor 21:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Sailor Sam and WP:DIACRITICS. Taking the time to review a redirect before nominating it here is not optional. Thryduulf (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Ooku (film)

Not in article, WP:RFD#D2. think thhis is bad because I think we do need RS on this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. It shows in the very first words of the article that "Ōoku" is the transliteration of the Japanese film title. It takes less than a minute to determine Ōoku (film) is a redirect to the same title, so the version without the diacritics should also be a redirect to the same target. Thryduulf (talk) 22:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Ooku (disambiguation) as there are some films related to the manga Ōoku: The Inner Chambers. May need to add Ooku (2006 film) to distinguish between that and (2010 film) and (2012 film) which go to the manga. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Gyoergy Luntzer

I think this can go by consensus, we don't do Hungarian names like that Si Trew (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. We don't do Hungarian names like that unless there is evidence of use. In this case there isn't, so it should be deleted, but take the time to check in future. Thryduulf (talk) 22:13, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

42eme Rallye Automobile de Monte-Carlo

Does the 42eme make any sense in English' (eubot) Si Trew (talk) 11:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Well it is kinda [[WP::FORRED]]. Eubot has taken of the diacritics but not translated... you get what I mean... 11:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is simply the formal title without diacritics. Nothing wrong with that. -- Tavix (talk) 01:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per Tavix and WP:DIACRITICS. 42ème Rallye Automobile de Monte-Carlo exists as a redirect to this target, so the version without diacritics should too. You don't need to keep wasting our time with such cases. Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Foldes Ferenc Gimnazium

this may be too far apart from Hungarian, probably ok in English, but an English gymnasium is not a school. Not sure. Gymnasium does not meen "school" in English, this is on the cusp, this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Well it is a mixed language redirect. WP:FORRED. To then knock off the dias which are important in Hungarian it is not Gimnazium it is Gímnaziúm you just well it makes my eyes water. This is a back formation by User:Eubot. Si Trew (talk) 11:14, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Grosse Maedchen weinen nicht

iT IS NOT the same name without diacritics, as the rtag has it. Not sure what to do with this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. per WP:DIACRITICS. The redirect is to the original language title, with "ß" → "ss" and "ä" → "a", and Große Mädchen weinen nicht exists as a redirect to the same target, so there is no question that this should exist. The redirect categorisation tag being incorrect is not a reason to delete the redirect under any circumstances - just change it or remove it. Thryduulf (talk) 22:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Bjoern Andersson (handballer)

I am listing this only because of the recent discussion about Byork or Byerk. Otherwise I would keep it as standard Swedish as consensus has for these ones. Si Trew (talk) 10:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Standard transliteration for Swedish and gets uses in the real world. Thryduulf (talk) 22:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Jaime Sanchez(actor)

this is iffy only for the lacking space in the disambig Si Trew (talk) 10:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

eubot forgot to say — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talkcontribs)
  • Delete. Consensus is that missing spaces between title and disambiguator are not useful. Thryduulf (talk) 22:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete not useful to have a dab without the space. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


The eu eu from turkik to germanic is a bit nonsense. WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Si Trew (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete & listing for admin closure. Cheers, FriyMan talk 09:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. No evidence of use that did not originate at Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 22:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Baeksang Arts Awards x

Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Five pillars

Semi-procedural renomination per the outcome of the previous RFD - all incoming links have been removed, and thus this redirect is unnecessary. The other two are being nominated because they're in the same relative boat (i.e. someone goofed). Primefac (talk) 01:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete all per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 06:45, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

April 18

Abu Ivanka

Non-notable nickname, if this was mentioned at List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States (it currently isn't), it should point there, but many editors have inserted names on that article and had removed, unsure if this is a deragatory name (i.e. WP:G10). - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Hanneke Canters (1969-2002) Feminist Philosopher

This is extremely implausible as a search term. -- Tavix (talk) 23:25, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete technical, poorly constructed modifiers that list her occupation as a proper noun and her birth range when both are not necessary or helpful. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:43, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Harmless {{R from move}} that gets human views. Thryduulf (talk) 12:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Boom Boom Boom (disambiguation)

No such disambiguation page exists. However, the history at this title was previously a disambiguation page rather than a redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

  • The action requiring the least messing about with existing pages would be retargeting to Boom Boom, a disambiguation pages that lists two Boom boom booms among its many Boom booms. – Uanfala (talk) 22:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
    That's a lot of booms. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
    :) not nearly as many as the buffaloes over there. – Uanfala (talk) 00:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget the dab to Boom Boom as it is already prepped to list the notable multiples of Boom, having those entries in its lead sentence. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per AngusWOOF. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per AngusWOOF before RfD sounds too much like Baldrick's poem. Thryduulf (talk) 12:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


Retarget to Template:uw-vblock because this more clearly states vandalism. UpsandDowns1234 (🗨) (My Contribs) 19:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment: This redirect is a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
    • Additional comment: This redirect has a transclusion that may need to be updated pending the result of this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:25, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - but re target as needed. — xaosflux Talk 22:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, do not retarget as the template covers more than vandalism. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

History of Iberia

As can be seen in a recent discussion at WP:RDH ([53] and [54]), this redirect leads to awkwardnesses as people expect History of Iberia to cover the history of Iberia, not the history of a company that operates flying machines. At the same time, I'm slightly uncomfortable retargeting this to Iberian Peninsula#History, since it's just a section and not an entire article, and equally uncomfortable creating a disambiguation page for the airline and the peninsula. So which of these three options is best: keep, retarget, or disambiguate? Nyttend (talk) 10:49, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

It might be okay to redirect to Iberia (disambiguation) as it presents readers with different options concerning histories of Iberia. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Interesting. I suppose I should have, but I don't remember ever hearing of the Iberia in the Caucasus. Nyttend (talk) 17:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Create dab page in the manner of History of America. The proposed disambiguation page will by necessity include quite a motley of article titles, which is unlikely to please those who take MOS:DAB to heart, but I don't see a better way of serving our readers. – Uanfala (talk) 22:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Create dab In a rational world, this would go directly to an article or section on the history of the peninsula, and certainly not the airline (which is absurd). But the Iberia article has no unified history section (actually, I see it does now), and Uanfala has a very good point about Caucasian Iberia. μηδείς (talk) 01:51, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Disambiguate per above and link from Iberia (disambiguation). Many possible uses. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Zambian Americans

Non-notable ethnic group. No reliable or significant coverage. Alexander Iskandar (talk) 07:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Note I created this from rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zambian Americans as this is a redirect not an article. ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 10:04, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. The nomination seems more like a rationale to delete the category than the redirect. I have no opinion about whether the category should exist, but while it does the redirect is fine. Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Interstate 85 bridge collapse

All of these redirects are dubious per WP:BLP. The first three refer to a non-notable individual suspected, but not yet convicted, of causing the collapse; the last is a separate individual who is only charged with trespassing. All of these titles are in fact a part of the move history of the page, because one editor intentionally moved the page to all of these titles and back in the space of five minutes - this does not trump BLP. In any case; the target page is currently the only one containing the string "Eleby" on Wikipedia; if someone somehow only knew that name and not what the individual is charged with, they could still easily find the page without these redirects. (talk) 03:26, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete all, but for different reasons:
    • Bruner, because she's not mentioned
    • Michael Eleby, because he's not mentioned
    • Basil Elbey, because that's a spelling mistake, and spelling-mistake-for-blp1-redirect is going a bit too far in an ordinary situation like this
    • Eleby, because redirecting a surname for these reasons is going a bit too far
  • Nyttend (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep all except Michael Eleby - Bruner was involved in the incident, "Basil Elbey" is a plausible typo, and redirects such as "Eleby" are cheap. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

April 17

Microsoft Distributed File System XXX

Unclear what the "XXX" is supposed to represent. Steel1943 (talk) 21:41, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Term not used like that in news articles. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

History of Mac OS

These redirects seem to have a bit of an WP:XY issue between the subjects of the articles at Macintosh operating systems, MacOS and Classic Mac OS. So, unless a specific target can be found which encompasses all three of these topics, it may be best to delete all of these redirects per WP:REDLINK to create a genetic history-based article which encompasses all three aforementioned subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 18:29, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Nominator comment/update: After reviewing the three aforementioned articles, retargeting all of these redirects to Macintosh operating systems may be the best option, possibly with retargeting the nominated redirects to applicable sections in that article. Steel1943 (talk) 18:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per nom. This is the most general of the articles and even contains stuff such as the timeline. Delete Mac OS/History as the slash designation isn't a likely search term. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget all, including Mac OS/History which should be tagged as {{R with old history}} as it has existed since 2002. Thryduulf (talk) 02:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget all per Thryduulf. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Tara Louise

Not mentioned in target - no obvious connection Peter Rehse (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

@TheMagnificentist: Do you have any evidence that Tara Leniston is known as Tara Louise? -- Tavix (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Tara Leniston's middle name is Louise, as shown in the article. - TheMagnificentist 17:35, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
@TheMagnificentist: That's not what I asked. I'll ask it slightly differently this time: Are there any sources of Tara Leniston going by the name "Tara Louise"? -- Tavix (talk) 17:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
No, there isn't. - TheMagnificentist 17:39, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per TheMagnificentist as Tara Leniston is not known as Tara Louise. -- Tavix (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete There is a singer called Tara Louise, who doesn't appear to be notable currently but this may change (one undated but probably recent source says she's 15). Thryduulf (talk) 18:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:SOUNDCLOUDBAND. There's a passing mention of a Tara Louise in a table at Postmodern Jukebox, but not at NoCopyrightSounds. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:35, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

P (number)

(Eubot) Pi is never known as "P", so I don't see the value to this redirect. My search results are overwhelmingly about welding. -- Tavix (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment This seems easy to confuse with both Pi and p-value. The welding uses have to do with P numbers, rather than some number known as P right? Noting that P number redirects to Tone row. Whatever is decided, it isn't going to make much of a difference, as the redirect only gets about 2 views per month. – Uanfala (talk) 15:21, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
    • Adding, as it might not be clear at first sight, that p might be easy to confuse with pi, because in many languages pi is pronounced pee rather than pie. – Uanfala (talk) 15:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to P (disambiguation)#Mathematics. It can refer to several different kinds of numbers like Universal parabolic constant and it can be confused with Rho which has something called a Plastic constant, and of course pi since it's the lower-case of the Greek. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per AngusWOOF. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Early Transcendentals

Delete delete or retarget as below delete. Implausible search term with little connection to the target article. Created as the sole edit by User:ShippingMagnet, with the edit summary "means calculus". But it doesn't mean calculus. It's the subtitle of a calculus textbook by a certain James Stewart, who apparently wanted to introduce the subject of transcendental functions early in the book. See this stack exchange thread. Trovatore (talk) 10:20, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Retarget to James Stewart (mathematician). Anyone looking for this is likely looking for the book. If the consensus is to delete, salt it, because I can easily see this becoming the topic of joke searches by students. – Train2104 (t • c) 15:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to James Stewart (mathematician) but a "redirects here" and a hatnote to transcendental dab page as the user could be looking for the history of transcendentals (philosophy, math, meditation, etc..) AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. The proposed retarget also seems OK, and I note that the textbook is mentioned there. Maybe, if sourceable, someone could add something about the reason for this (somewhat awkward IMO) subtitle. I wasn't able to find any real source. --Trovatore (talk) 19:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. While Stewart may have originated the term (or at least popularized it), it is now fairly common to see it in modern calculus texts, especially when more than one version of the text is available for different audiences (Briggs and Cochran, a popular calculus text from Addison Wesley, come to mind immediately). A retarget to Stewart seems problematic to me. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
    • Ah. In that case I guess I'm back to "delete". --Trovatore (talk) 18:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Judging from the content of the stackexchange thread linked in the nomination, as well as the fact that the term isn't associated primarily with James Stewart, redirecting it there appears problematic as it's unusual to have a subtitle of a book redirect to the author. It seems best to delete per WP:XY, until someone creates Pedagogy of calculus which could then cover the topic. – Uanfala (talk) 11:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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Ugh, as soon as I created it, I find other books of that same name, so I am putting those in the Calculus#Books section instead as Stewart's version isn't primary topic anymore. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Brexit 1975

POV reduced to absurdity title - not historically accurate backdating term, UK didn't exit, Brexit != referendum, no evidence in article of use or in sources Widefox; talk 12:42, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Widespread, retroactive referrals to the 1975 referendum as a proto-Brexit in reliable sources would justify keeping this. "1975 'Brexit' campaign", "most dangerous contrast with 1975: a vote for Brexit this time", "It was 41 years ago that The Spectator first urged its readers to vote Brexit in a referendum", "Brexit in 2016 and 1975". ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
It's a misnomer to describe either referendum as "Brexit". There was no 1975 Brexit. It's incorrect. Just taking one of those links, the title is "The EU referendum makes the campaign we had in 1975 look as mild as a vicar's tea party" and doesn't refer to the term "Brexit 1975". Widefox; talk 17:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Sure, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid redirect from a subtopic. Reliable sources have retroactively began referring to the Euroskeptic camp in that referendum as the 1975 equivalent of the today's pro-Brexit camp.If you actually read some of the links you're talking about above, you would see that it refers to the Euroskeptic position in 1975 as Brexit several times: "It was 41 years ago that The Spectator first urged its readers to vote Brexit in a referendum," and "Apart from the communist Morning Star, The Spectator was in fact the only national publication to propose Brexit". Tag it as {{R from incorrect name}} and {{R from subtopic}}. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)(edited 21:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC))
I did quickly read it. Supporters aren't the same as 1975 Brexit. (continued below).. Widefox; talk 19:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I went to the wrong Spectator link above. The point still stands though. From the one you cited: "This brings us to the most dangerous contrast with 1975: a vote for Brexit this time will have consequences." This implies that in contrast to 2016 ("this time"), there was a previous opportunity to vote for Brexit in 1975. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
"1975 Brexit vote" sure, "1975 Brexit" is an alternative universe. It didn't happen, just as 2016 World War Three didn't, despite folk warmongering. Big difference. Widefox; talk 11:48, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep I created this redirect with the purpose of making the 1975 referendum easy to find. Redirects are sepcifically designed to make pages easy to find. To find United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975 won't be so easy otherwise. It isnt retroactively accurate but nor is it a aprt of the article, it is the article which requires accuracy; this ws a convenience and still is. How will people easily find the referendum otherwise? Plus what Patar says. The 1975 referendum is a highly relevant article in 2017 and we should do all we can to encourage easy access to it so people can be informed about that event which is subject to so much misinformation in real life. I can see no justification for deleting this. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 15:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Would agree handy iff either referendum was known as "Brexit" which they aren't. Widefox; talk 17:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - I know nobody really cares if junky redirects are kept, but this is pure POV to the point of being laughable. There's no way "Brexit 1975" is a plausible search term, considering the fact that the "word" Brexit was only coined last year. Exemplo347 (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
If it's used by reliable sources, as demonstrated above, it's a valid {{R from non-neutral}}. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Literally the RS I read didn't have the term, no, but I'd consider more having to interpret it. I do agree that although it's literally wrong, but as a R from incorrect better etc and if it helps anyone I've nothing against it, despite being against conflating "Brexit" with the referendum or supporters. Pro Brexit 1975 supporters aren't 1975 Brexit - which of course didn't happen, the topic being no Brexit. One can see similar nonsense conflation accumulating in the dab Brexit (disambiguation) where everything including the referendum is Brexit, which it isn't. Widefox; talk 19:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
It's not a one-to-one match, but its a valid {{R from subtopic}}, namely the concept now referred to as Brexit, as it existed during the 1975 referendum (i.e. the camp opposing the UK in the EEC/EU). Refining to the section about the No camp is suboptimal because the history and background of both sides is discussed at length before that section. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
A 1976 Brexit, 77, 78 would also be valid non Brexit dates where the same no Brexit happened, despite similar folk wanting it. Happy to let this one slide, as long as it's tagged for what it is as plausibly useful despite misleading. Widefox; talk 00:57, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
No they wouldn't because there were no referendums on whether the UK should be in the EU/EEC in those years, so there would be nowhere valid to point those redirects. Since Exemplo347, has opposed, this technically can't be withdrawn, but if it's kept we should definitely add the above RCAT tags. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Which POV is that, Exemplo347? As you had what no idea what my opinions on brexit are (oppose) and given my explanation your lack of assuming good faith sticks in the throat somewhat. I explained my reasns and they are not POV. Please WP:AGF and consider striking your out of line comment re POV. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 07:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough to backdate the expression Richard. I just object to the conflation of vote with leaving.
Patar, that's exactly my point - there was no Brexit in 1975. Widefox; talk 11:48, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I won't be retracting any remarks here. "Brexit 1975" is a made up term, call it WP:OR, call it WP:SYNTH, call it anything you like - it's made up. What's next - "Brexit 410A.D." for when the Romans left? Exemplo347 (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment (ec). Unfortunately many British politicians say "When we voted to leave the UK in 1975". We didn't. We voted on whether to stay in the European Union (well European Economic Community as it was at that time) after three years of joining it. When we (that is to say, the UK) joined the EEC in 1972, there was no referendum at all. These are facts easily forgotten by both sides for the sake of a soundbite. I am rather Orwellian on this, in that "the lie becomes truth" and so on, if unreliable sources like Wikipedia give them credence. Redirects don't have to be neutral, but I think they should be accurate, and Brexit 1975 is an anachronism in its true sense, by applying a modern term "Brexit" to something that was never called that at the time. If there are reliable sources for "Brexit" from 1975 or before, I should be glad to hear of them and we can add those to Wiktionary's etymology. In the meantime, this should be Deleted as essentially WP:OR. Si Trew (talk) 11:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
(ec) I had not read Richard or Widefox comments before this but am posting now to avoid another EC. Si Trew (talk) 11:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I think we need RS that "Brexit 1975" was used in 1975. I'm not too picky on it, but the more important thing is that "Brexit" was a word invented for the current (well, latest) campaign and is a back-formed anachronism to apply it to any previous campaign. If there are reliable sources that use "Brexit 1975" to mean the 1975 referendum, then fine, otherwise it is just WP:MADEUP and Wikipedia continues its reputation for being a pile of crap and not checking facts. World War II was not Brexit 1939 nor was the Battle of Waterloo Brexit 1815. It will take a while for things to settle, but I think "Brexit" as a term was invented within the EU, not in the UK (and it's not UKexit), but that thing alone requires qutie a lot of RS. WP:COMPETENCE. Si Trew (talk) 12:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Backronyms etc are OK per se, but the redirect jars in the way you've described. WW3 1962 (or anything similar [55]) isn't a redirect to Cuban Missile Crisis, or nuclear accidents/MAD events etc. It just a bit much of a stretch to be serious. Widefox; talk 12:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep – it's used in sources as shown by Patar knight. I might agree with SiTrew's general reasoning but I don't see how this can apply to redirects. The fact that the term wasn't used in 1975 isn't a reason for deletion, at least not any more than the fact that World War I wasn't used in 1915 would be a reason against that article's current title. – Uanfala (talk) 13:42, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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  • Comment would Brexit#1975_referendum be a better retarget? It would still be within the Brexit article yet refer to 1975 and have that context. Otherwise you'll have to add to the 1975 article somewhere that the event is now referred to as "Brexit 1975", which I don't see as of this post. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:18, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


I'm not seeing a connection between the redirect and the target. Seaching my favorite search engine showed no results for the Seahawks several pages deep. -- Tavix (talk) 14:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment Google returns results relevant for football teams for "jacjag", "oakrai" and "dalcow". On the other hand, "denbro" and "houtex" don't have football results on the first page. That's all I've checked, but at least for some teams, three letter abbreviation of team name and city gets some results. Plantdrew (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete no notability of the blend word. General searches show local businesses starting with Sea Sea or Sea & Sea. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Could this be a misspelling for Seesee, which redirects to a species of fowl? – Uanfala (talk) 23:11, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Kohi jiko

(eubot) another kinda weird cross-language one. The lede gives it as Kōhī Jikō (which is red) as the transliteration from nihongo, which is fine, yes I would usually say well then this is just {{R from title without diacritics}}, but it's not really, because the name of the film to an English audience is not "Kohi jiko" but "Café Lumière", which is French of course. So it's kinda odd to have this rather three-steps-away transliteration by a bot. Deleting it will do no harm. 珈琲時光, its name in Japanese, is also red. I can perfectly understand creating those two Japanese transliterations, but in their absence, having this one kinda through a game of chinese whispers is a bit absurd. Si Trew (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Weak keep per nom. Film festivals use Cafe Lumiere as the title, even in home media, but there's something to be said for keeping the romanized version as shown in The Guardian. Romanized title is also paired with Cafe Lumiere in reviews as printed in books. [56] [57] [58] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 09:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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  • Keep per AngusWOOF. The accented version should be created as well if it is used. Thryduulf (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Book learning

Retarget to wikt:book learning, perhaps, education is a more broad topic, not sure if there are any more appropriate target. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:58, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Redirect to Formal learning, as education is indeed too broad a category, including things like on-the-job education, which is NOT book learning. StuRat (talk) 01:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to rote learning, although the term "book learning" or "booklearnéd" that I have seen in 18thC texts is used mostly pejoratively to mean one who is in an ivory castle; in Gulliver's Travels one nation lived in them but Jonathan Swift doesn't have it as far as I can see; Shakespeare (that well-known author of the 18thC hem hem) doesn't have it, but has "bookish", according to my concordance. Si Trew (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Damn, now I have to make an article about ivory castles. Might be the chesspieces, might not be. Si Trew (talk) 21:25, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Rote learning is too specific, as that is only one way to learn from books. StuRat (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • retarget, but not to rote learning. Rote learning is a topic that has an overlap with book learning, in that rote learning can be done from books (among other sources) and book learning can be (but isn't always) rote learning, so I think that makes a poor target. I'm not sure whether formal learning is the best target but it is better than rote learning. Thryduulf (talk) 19:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:REDLINK, it's a notable topic and I'm sure an article can be created on the concept. Education is too broad and doesn't offer any specifics, and both formal learning and and rote learning are not close enough. There's some overlap, but not enough where a redirect makes sense. -- Tavix (talk) 15:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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The Real Housewives of ISIS

delete, the redirect article does not contain any information about the topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

It does, but the relevant section Parodies is, oddly, collapsed. – Uanfala (talk) 12:08, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I've removed the collapsing from that section as such templates should not be used for article content (it is inaccessible to some readers) per MOS:COLLAPSE. I have suggested on the talk page that the section be trimmed and/or split off into a separate article, but the last message on that page was from 2014 so I don't expect a quick response. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Even if it is mentioned in a list, does it really need its own redirect? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:43, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget per KGirlTrucker81. Inclusion of individual items on that page can be discussed on the talk page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:06, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

April 15

Rapid City (disambıguation)

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2018 Seattle Seahawks season

This is too soon, especially considering there is zero information about the 2018 season in every article I spotchecked. Someone searching for information about the 2018 season is going to be disappointed and confused by being redirected to the team article. Therefore, these need to be red until we have information on the subject. -- Tavix (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete all. I agree that this is too soon. I would not be opposed to keeping some if the target articles had information about the 2018 season for that team, but I don't think the current targets have enough information to justify keeping these redirects. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all Is there a proper time to create such links? And not just when they start trading draft choices? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:58, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
When there's sufficient information about that season. -- Tavix (talk) 13:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all per above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Less ripe (wine)

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Less sleep

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Migros Tuerk

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Toegroeg, Govi-Altai

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Presidential candidate

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April 14


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2017 solar eclipse

Page should not redirect to the August 21 eclipse as there is also Solar eclipse of February 26, 2017. This should either be a disambiguation page or simply be deleted. Note that 2016 solar eclipse, 2015 solar eclipse, etc. do not exist in any form, disambig or otherwise. Smartyllama (talk) 18:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Disambiguate. Lacking another solar eclipse this year, this would be a perfectly fine redirect, and disambiguation pages are basically multi-target soft redirects. Nyttend (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Disambuguate per WP:XY. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:XY. The redirect is not the actual name of any subject which could be placed on a hypothetical disambiguation page, as well as the fact that versions of the redirect's title at previous years do not exist. May as well not start a precedence that doesn't exist anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 20:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • So if someone searches for "2017 solar eclipse", you'd prefer to present them with a deletion log entry rather than pointing them to the two articles we have on this subject? Absurd. Nyttend (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • No, I would actually expect them to locate which article they are attempting to find via the results when looking up "2017 solar eclipse" on the search bar if this redirect was deleted. Right now, this title existing blocks that functionality (see how Special:Search/2017 solar eclipse functions) and the only way around that is for the reader to do a blank search first (Special:Search) then type in "2017 solar eclipse" into that search bar directly. We cannot expect that all readers have even the slightest clue how to do this, and the remedy to not expect them to is to delete the redirect. In addition, I really think that we should not be locking our readers into only being able to find a set list of titles if they look up an ambiguous title which is not the specific title for any subject (which is what a disambiguation page would do; lock readers into only being able to see a set list of articles.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Though I commented "delete" above, I just found List of solar eclipses in the 21st century. If this redirect could be retargeted to something specific there, that option could potentially be helpful. Steel1943 (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Dabify or retarget to List of solar eclipses in the 21st century per Steel. I'm leaning on the latter since it's more comprehensive than an a new dab page --Lenticel (talk) 00:30, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Disambig. This is a very plausible search term for either of the two eclipses as their paths do not cross meaning that people in the relevant areas are very likely not to know about the other one (whichever that is). The list article is not really very useful given that there is no sectioning within it to which we can point this redirect. Deletion is even worse, as search results are not guaranteed or even presented in every case - it depends how you navigate (and other factors) whether you get a search page (with or without results, which may or may not be relevant), an invitation to search, an invitation to create an article or search, or an editing window. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to List of solar eclipses in the 21st century#2017 (add an anchor before the first 2017 entry). The list is much more informative than a dab could ever be, and there's less maintenance required. -- Tavix (talk) 01:06, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Disambig to the two from that year. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Remove kebab

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Galician Universities

Delete, not at target, we have Category:Universities in Galicia, but I would oppose a CNR. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete -- implausible redirect. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget as WP:XNR to exactly what Champion said. I am not doing it for the sake of it, I think it is where it should go. It's where I would expect it to go if I wanted to find out about Universities in Galicia. Si Trew (talk) 00:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget. My first preference is List of universities in Spain which is by-default sorted by autonomous community (of which Gallicia is one). Category:Universities in Galicia is my second choice. XNRs are not harmful in and of themselves, the harm comes when there is disconnect between the expectation and the target - particularly in terms of type of content. Redirects from article space to reader-facing categories suffer only small amounts of this as the two namespaces both present encyclopaedic content, just in different formats. It is usually (but not always) best to take people to articles if that is what their search seems to indicate what they are a looking for. What we have here is a choice between a page in the format they expect but which is broader than what they are looking for and a category which matches the scope of their search but not the architecture. Thryduulf (talk) 09:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • 'DAB with whatever the relevant "List of universities in Poland/Ukraine" articles to deal with the issue of Galicia (Eastern Europe). Maybe move the cat to clarify the country as well. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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  • I support creating a disambiguation page, which should list (at least) the following: List of universities in Spain, List of universities in Poland, and List of universities in Ukraine. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:33, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Disambig per Notecardforfree. When I left my comment above I didn't realise that Galicia was ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. We don't have one article/list on Galician Universities, much less multiple ones where disambiguation would be required. The redirect averaged less than one view/day last year, so it's not like it's a well-used term. -- Tavix (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
    • We do however have multiple lists that include Galician universities and so I see no reason at all why we should make it harder for people to find the content they are looking for. Just because there are not that many of them does not mean that obstructing them a good thing or mean any benefits will come to Wikipedia from doing so. Thryduulf (talk) 08:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Jeff Malcolm (ice hockey)

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080 in Denmark

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List of digits in pi

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Pi to (number) places

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User talk:Checkuser

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Best Answer

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American Airlines System

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United Kingdom/Basic Topics

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List of ISO 639-3 language codes reserved for local use

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Meaning of the word "is" is

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Google regional domains

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April 13

Talk:Moody’s Analytics Knowledge Service

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New Tab

Redirect to term not mentioned in target page. One of many created by user who was then blocked indef for vandalism including creating useless redirects. Deleting this RD will allow article New Tab (novel) to move to correct article title. PamD 22:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

The Lake (2016 film)

Film not released in 2016. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

  • According to the article, this was the provisional title, and the originally announced release year. I really don't know how the meshwork of film redirects operates, but I'm wondering if this isn't enough of a reason to keep. – Uanfala (talk) 20:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
    @Uanfala: If this helps any, The Lake (2017 film) also exists as a redirect to Renegades (2017 film). Steel1943 (talk) 21:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
    Also, in the past, there have been a few related RFD discussions where the redirect was deleted since the disambiguator contained a year which the media item (usually "film" or "video game") was not released and could not be released in that year anymore since that year was in the past. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


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How To Train Your Dragon 3(2019) film

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Jikkyō Powerful Pro Yakyū series

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Autonomous learning

Not sure. The section does exist and discusses it, but I'm not sure that "Autonomous learning" is specific to the home education of children, so there may be a better target (I couldn't find one. Montessori education sprang to mind, but does not use the term: a quick search shows that it does seem to be used mostly for home education, and not just generally for continuing education or what have you. We do have an article on Learner autonomy but these autonomies are not synonymies, it seems to me (learner autonomy is largely concerned with learning foreign languages). Catting both as {{R to section}} for now. Si Trew (talk) 19:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment is it a term specific to homeschooling or is it applied across multiple institutions. There's Self-paced instruction which is used in more places than homeschool. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep since the term is well described at the target article. -- Tavix (talk) 19:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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  • @BDD: Yeah, same here. Might be worth a dab between the 3 targets suggested (current, machine learning, self-paced instruction) – Train2104 (t • c) 05:25, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

List of notable homeschooled individuals

No such section; presumably deleted. WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 19:50, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. If such a list becomes notable, it can be re-created. Also should be separate from self-taught. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:49, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget the first to List of homeschooled people. The list was not "deleted" as the nominator presumed. Instead, the list was merged to Homeschooling and then split again, with the redirects left behind. Delete Famous home schoolers. Notable ≠ famous. -- Tavix (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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Striking vote and follow retarget recommendations from Steel1943 Tavix. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC) fixed 19:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Did you mean to say "...recommendations from Tavix"? Steel1943 (talk) 18:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. Been copy and pasting lots. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
No problem, people mix us up all the time. I'm shocked there's not an SPI filed on us yet. -- Tavix (talk) 19:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Bah, don't give anyone any ideas...  It sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me. Face-smile.svg Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Homeschool athletics

No such section; presumably deleted or incorporated into section about social life etc. WP:RFD#D2 confusing. The only mention of this term (in its entirety) is via the transcluded navbox ({{homeschooling}}), where of course it navigates back to homeschooling. There is one other trivial mention of "athletics" about clubs home-educated children might join to socialise, but nothing particularly about how those clubs would differ from other athletics clubs. Si Trew (talk) 19:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Delete as WP:XY Otherwise you might has well have Homeschool (subject). AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:42, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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Home education in france

Delete, WP:RFD#D2. No mention of France at the target, section does not exist. Si Trew (talk) 19:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

* Delete per nom. No content worth redirecting. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Striking vote in light of redirect. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Data deletion

Data is not synonymous with file. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

  • keep. It's not strictly synonymous but it's close and much closer than anything else on the Deletion dab page. Thryduulf (talk) 09:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep, per Thryduulf, it's a reasonable existing match, not precluding an article if anyone wishes to construct one. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to data erasure as more closely related than files are. – Train2104 (t • c) 21:30, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak Retarget to data erasure per Train2104. My only concern is that "data erasure" seems to mean completely destroying data, while I'm not sure this term carries that gravity, hence the weak. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 12:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Retarget to data erasure as the more closely related term. -- Tavix (