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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If a consensus is reached after this time, a mover will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or be as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

The Move review process can be used to contest a move. It is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Anyone may move a page without discussion if:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has not been any discussion (especially recent discussion) about the title for the page that expresses disagreement with the new target title;
  • And it seems unlikely anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a technical move, request it below.

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason = reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Uncontroversial technical requests

Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. The move is potentially controversial if any of the following apply:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title;
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. In particular, use this process before moving any existing page with incoming links to create a disambiguation page at that title. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, because this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 20 September 2017" and sign for you.

Use the code |talk=yes to add separate locations for survey and discussion.

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as RfC, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topic.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article Alerts to receive RM notifications, e.g. this page is transcluded to here. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or Noticeboard that might be interested in the move request.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. Do not sign this.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Commenting in a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. It is a place for rational discussion of whether an article should be renamed.

There are a number of practices that most Wikipedians use in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they usually do so in bold text, e. g., Support or Oppose, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Start comments or recommendations on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *), and sign them by adding ~~~~ to the end. If you are responding to another editor, put your comment directly below theirs, making sure it is indented (using multiple *s).
  • Please disclose whether you have a vested interest in the article, per WP:AVOIDCOI.
  • Please have a look at the article before making a recommendation. Do not base your recommendation solely on the information supplied by the nominator or other editors. To understand the situation, it may also help to look at the history of the article. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior Requested Moves. They may contain relevant arguments and further useful information.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Ideally editors should be familiar with WP:Article titles, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and WP:MOS (among others) which sets forth community norms for article titles.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations on the course of action to be taken that are not sustained by arguments.
  • When making your case or responding to others, explain how the proposed article title meets/violates policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations; if you change your mind, modify your original recommendation rather than adding a new one. The recommended way of doing this is to use strike-through by enclosing a retracted statement between <s> and </s> after the *, as in "• Support Oppose".

Also, just a reminder that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but valid arguments will be given more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers arguments or evidence that do not explain how the proposed article title meets/violates policy, they may only need a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion. But a pattern of groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider a dispute resolution process outside the current Requested Move process.

Closing instructions

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.


Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing. Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which also signs it automatically, and is placed at the very end of the initial request (after their signature, and subsequent re-listers signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as to notify relevant WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Applicable WikiProjects can often be determined by means of the banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 31 (Discuss)ions have been relisted.

September 19, 2017

  • (Discuss)Sonya OlschanezkySonia Olschanezky – Her first name is Sonia, not Sonya, as noted in a number of books (e.g., 'Flames in the Field' by Rita Kramer and 'A Life in Secrets: Vera Atkins and the Missing Agents of WWII' by Sarah Helm) and on a memorial to her - CodeBadger (talk) 03:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)--Relisting.usernamekiran(talk) 21:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ang Alamat ni BaganiBagani (TV series) – Back original title is with no sourced. Not at least "Ang Alamat ni Bagani" hasn't given source either. since I discovered original sourced from the article. then he recreated to copy and pasted from the article. Oripaypaykim (talk) 13:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Yeonsangun of JoseonPrince Yeonsan – The -gun (, 君) and -daegun (대군, 大君), literally "Prince" (but sometimes it is used as officers name appointed by the king), is one of royal titles in East Asia, like the -ongju (옹주, 翁主; e.g. Princess Deokhye Deokhyeongju), literally "Princess" as daughter of royal concubine. The case of Yeonsan and Gwanghae (Yeonsangun and Gwanghaegun is names when they was a prince) is although the king who did not get a posthumous name unlike other kings of Joseon, because they was discarded from king by lieges (for Gwanghae, see the Injo coup). For why not add the "of Joseon", see the Talk:Sejong the Great#Requested move. Thanks. Garam (talk) 13:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)CaddyCaddie – Per past talk page comments which point out that caddie is the preferred term. There is a Professional Caddies Association, an Association of Professional Tour Caddies, a European Tour Caddies Association, the Commons page goes to 'Caddie', and per the List of Caddie Hall of Fame inductees. In looking up the Caddie Hall of Fame on google it seems almost every link referring to the job/position calls it 'Caddie'. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Yuri on IceYuri!!! on IceProcedural listing; a requested move has been open for some time, but was not listed as an RM and so has not attracted a significant number of commments yet. Original nomination is below this RM header.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  04:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Keijo!!!!!!!!Keijo (manga) – Per MOS:TM, and news sources demonstrating that the real world does not treat this extraneous punctuation pile-up as an integral part of the title. This "!!!!!" stuff is pure marketing stylization, part of a long-running Japanese trend to stuff Western punctuation marks into titles for decoration (often "!", sometimes ".", etc.). The lead sentence should start "Keijo (stylized Keijo!!!!!!!!) ...". See Gangsta (manga) and the RM on its talk page. There are a few other !-laden Japanese entertainment articles to clean up, but let's start with the grossly excessive cases. See also broader search results; lots without the "!!!" stuff, which is kept primarily by fannish blogs, forums, and other self-published, user-generated, non-independent, and otherwise unreliable sources. We permit MOS:TM exceptions when (and only) when the creators/producers/studio consistently use the stylization and the vast majority of sources also do so (e.g. for Deadmau5 but not for "Ke$ha" or "P!nk").  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  04:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

September 18, 2017

  • (Discuss)Arrondissements of ParisDistricts of Paris – 'Districts' is the most acceptable English translation for 'Arrondissement'. There are few redirects to manage after, as the pages linking to the new namespace are speaking of districts (administrative subdivisions) anyway. TP   21:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Native AmericansNative Americans (disambiguation) – Redirect Native Americans to Native Americans in the United States, per WP:PRIMARY. Some of the entries on the disambiguation page appear to be original research; e.g. First Nations of Canada are not referred to as Native Americans (except inasmuch as they're within the category of indigenous peoples of the Americas, which "Native American" is (rarely) used to mean, as a confusingly ambiguous blanket term). The DAB page's current breakdown of just about every article we have on subtopics of indigenous peoples of the Americas isn't how we do DAB pages. No one ever writes "Native Americans" and specifically and only means "indigenous peoples in Ecuador", so entries like that should not be on this page.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  20:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Lud son of HeliKing Lud – Clearer title, and ten times as many references in a Google Books search to "King Lud" as to "Lud son of Heli" (with or without a comma). Gapfall (talk) 14:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

September 17, 2017

  • (Discuss)RavenousRavenous (1999 film) – This film is not well-known enough, nor was it commercially successful enough, to qualify as the primary topic for the plain title. Virtually the only identifiable reason I can locate for the 1999 film having the undabbed title is that it was the earliest article to get created — I can find no strong evidence that it outstrips any of the other Ravenouses in comparative notability. Bearcat (talk) 18:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Greenwich Library, ConnecticutGreenwich Library – Move to proper name for the library. There are not yet any other known places named "Greenwich Library", so disambiguation is not needed. If an article gets started for a library in Greenwich, England, and disambiguation becomes needed, then the proper way to disambiguate this one is to use parenthetical city-state disambiguation as in "Greenwich Library (Greenwich, Connecticut)", as done for historic libraries listed on the U.S. National Register and other U.S. places. A one-sentence article existed briefly at Greenwich Library (currently a redirect), but this Greenwich Library, Connecticut article is longer, and its edit history is the edit history more worth preserving. doncram 18:11, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sanusi Lamido SanusiMuhammadu Sanusi II – The Emir is no longer officially addressed as Sanusi Lamido Sanusi as he changed his name to Muhammadu Sanusi II after becoming the Emir of Kano. Therefore, it will be better for the article to reflect the new name. Zubairu Dalhatu 14:17, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Han ChineseHan people
    First, Han people is a ethnic group, although it account for a proportion of 92% of China's people, not all of it is "Chinese nationality", Han people is a ethnic group. There are also Han people of Japanese nationality, Han people of French nationality, Han people of U.S. nationality. So the correct usage is "Han people".
    Second, we can refer to“Yamato people”,although “Yamato people” account for a proportion of 99% of Japan's people, we call it “Yamato people”,not “Yamato Japanese”.
    MacArthur1945 (talk) 13:24, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Yan ZiYan Zi (tennis) – I don't think the tennis player is primary topic since the c.500BC philosopher Yan Ying is very widely known as "Yan Zi". This can be verified by performing a simple Google Books search of "Yan Zi". The tennis player has no long-term significance over Yan Ying, nor does it average significantly more page views. [3] Baseline should be a dab page. Timmyshin (talk) 06:22, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Crisis in Venezuela (2012–present)Crisis in Bolivarian Venezuela – The official name of the sovereign state is the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela and the current government is commonly referred to in both the media and scholarly documents across the political spectrum as the "Bolivarian government".[Al Jazeera], [Jacobin], [Venezuelanalysis], [Oxford], Hands Off Venezuela There is no concensus as to when the date of the crisis began since it began before Maduro's presidency. The Bolivarian government also "denied and continues denying that Venezuela has a humanitarian crisis". Since there is no concensus on a date, it would be sutiable to state that this is a "Crisis in Bolivarian Venezuela", since there has been no other crisis in "Bolivarian Venezuela" and there has also been no other "Bolivarian Venezuela" in history. If another crisis were to occur in the future or another government were to be created under the "Bolivarian" title, then a rename with a timeframe may be appropriate. However, most refer to the current government and nation as being "Bolivarian". I encourage multiple comments so this title dispute can be adequately resolved. ZiaLater (talk) 02:56, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sexual surrogateSurrogate Partner Therapy – "Surrogate Partner Therapy" more accurately describes the topic being addressed. Though the term "sex surrogate" has been commonly used, most surrogate partners prefer the term "surrogate partner." In either case, "Surrogate Partner Therapy" is the modality under which such persons work. This title also invites more contributions; the subject is not just the people doing the work, but the therapeutic process as a whole. Emikokoyo (talk) 01:58, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BonapartisteBonapartiste movement – Per WP:NOUN. Bonapartiste is an adjective, and as an adjective it can be used on almost anything. A Bonapartiste person, a Bonapartiste party, a Bonapartiste general. This article is clearly about the political movement. Appah Rao (talk) 00:45, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

September 16, 2017

  • (Discuss)Society Hill, PhiladelphiaSociety Hill – Per WP:PTOPIC, Society Hill in Philadelphia is a primary topic, that should have a hatnote guiding readers to Society Hill (disambiguation) to find the other uses. With respect to long-term significance of the term, Society Hill, Philadelphia has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term, and with respect to usage it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for the term “Society Hill.” See Related Talk PagePHILA19106 (talk) 17:42, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NovopolatskNovopolotsk – The name Navapolatsk is an incorrect name, encountering the fact that it is composed of 'novo-' and 'Polotsk' (literally New Polotsk) in Belarusian. Compare with any city such as New York, which would not be written in an other way. Please cancel my mistake in the move I made (from Navapolatsk to Novopolatsk). Les Yeux Noirs (talk) 15:45, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ZaynZayn (disambiguation) – Zayn Malik obviously is the most notable Zayn[4]. The title "Zayn" should become a redirect to Zayn Malik and the disambiguation page should be moved to the other title. — Zawl 10:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

September 15, 2017

  • (Discuss)Ayo (album)Ayo (Wizkid album) – With the release and creation of the article for Ayo (Bomba Estéreo album) in August, there are now two albums on Wikipedia titled Ayo, and I don't believe the Wizkid album has enough notability to be considered the primary topic, particularly as the Bomba Estéreo record has charted on the Billboard Latin charts and is likely to be the record that has more searches in North and South America. But I'm not certain whether Ayo (album) should then be kept as a separate disambiguation page, or merged into the current Ayo disambiguation page. Richard3120 (talk) 19:51, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)New England Sports NetworkNESN – It seems as if today and throughout the article, the channel is just simply referred to as "NESN" and not by its abbreviation, so it would make more sense to title it "NESN". JE98 (talk) 16:09, 8 September 2017 (UTC)--Relisting.usernamekiran(talk) 19:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)T. J. MillerT.J. Miller – Miller states he does not have a space between the two initials of his name in a video where he is actually correcting mistakes on his Wikipedia page. He is not joking, just states that he goes by T.J., not T. J. or TJ -- see link in prior section and in talk page box which refers to current press. Here it is: Bruney, Gabrielle; Gondelman, Josh; Miller, T.J. (3 September 2017). "Watch T.J. Miller Have a Check-Up with the Wikipediatrician (Wiki What? #1)" (Includes video). Esquire.  BrillLyle (talk) 06:42, 6 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 17:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)LANcoLanco – LANco is an improper way of stylization to me, when "LAN" is for "Lancaster", so I feel that it would be better as "Lanco". JE98 (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mother (video game)EarthBound Beginnings – Nintendo officially released the game in English as EarthBound Beginnings two years ago, and now the common name for the game is EarthBound Beginnings. The reliable sources that referred to the game as Mother (including the sources included in the article), now refer to it as EarthBound Beginnings, such as IGN, Polygon, USGamer, RPGamer, Nintendo Life (,,,, No reliable English language source refers to the game as Mother anymore, except as a secondary title. JenniBee (talk) 13:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Find (command)Find (Windows) – See related RM at Talk:Find i.e. proposed move to Find (Unix). Both of these articles with roughly equal page views are Find "commands" but the DOS/Windows command is completely different to the Unix command. Find (DOS) can redirect to (Windows) or vice-versa. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kingdom of TondoTondo (historical polity) – Although there was no consensus on the previously proposed name (Tondo (early Philippine history)), I believe (a) that the discussion speaks for itself that there IS majority (although not unanimous) consensus that the current name, Kingdom of Tondo, misrepresents the topic as understood by current scholarship; and (b) that there the discussion has indicated that while the previously suggested name was problematic, another option, Tondo (historical polity) was more acceptable than both. I am thus re-proposing that this article be renamed to nomenclature more acceptable to the community, as supported in the previous discussion. Alternativity (talk) 03:25, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)FindFind (Unix) – There is obviously no primary topic for a common English word, I doubt most people searching this would be looking for a Unix command, even though it [ - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:25, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

September 14, 2017

  • (Discuss)SzaSZA – "SZA" stands for "sovereign", "zig-zag", "Allah" and acronyms are always capitalized for articles, just like how the RZA article is capitalized (who her name is actually inspired by). It should not have been moved to "Sza". Also there are no other articles directly named "SZA", so this time the name of the article should just be "SZA" instead of "SZA (singer)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by AgWoolridge (talkcontribs) 23:17, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Andropogon gerardi → ? – Andropogon gerardii is the accepted nomenclature for this species. The link purporting a new specific epithet proposed by the USDA is a dead link and I cannot find any other info on this proposed change. Meanwhile the USDA is using gerardii in its official publications (referenced in the article). The current redirect from Andropogon gerardii to Andropogon gerardi should be deleted and the Andropogon gerardi article renamed Andropogon gerardii. Sccgeography (talk) 20:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Austrian Regional LeagueRegionalliga (Austria) – The name of the competition was Regionalliga, as the German counterpart was not translated to German Regional League, nor no source indicated "Austrian Regional League" was the common name of the Austrian league in English language, i suggest move to its original name with disambiguation bracket Matthew_hk tc 16:23, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)HOW FoundationThe HOW Foundation – "The HOW Foundation" is the proper name in full of the nonprofit and has been since it was founded. Please see official name on the nonprofit website http://ww. Wikimayor (talk) 15:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

September 13, 2017

  • (Discuss)ChallengePostDevpost – I'm Devpost CEO. We changed our name to Devpost in mid-2015. You can confirm it by visiting which redirects to, and by reading our blog post here: Thank you. Brooklyndd (talk) 21:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Özgür Doğruöz (singer)Özgür Doğruöz – Same reason as before: unnecessary disambiguation. It has been months and it has not been deleted. If it should be deleted, delete it. If not, it should not linger at this title indefinitely. Gorobay (talk) 20:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Khilji dynastyKhalji dynasty – The majority of the scholarly sources on this topic prefer "Khalji" to "Khilji". This includes older sources such as History of the Khaljis, as well as more recent publications, such as Peter Jackson's The Delhi Sultanate (2003) and Satish Chandra's Medieval India (2004). Encyclopædia Britannica also calls it Khalji dynasty, as do India's NCERT [7] and Pakistan's Ministry of Education [8] (page 10). Google Books search results: * "Khalji" "Delhi" -wikipedia ** 22,300 results, which include the majority of the authoritative works on the topic * "Khilji" "Delhi" -wikipedia ** 18,500 results, several of them exam preparation guides Therefore, I propose that this article be moved to "Khalji dynasty". The related articles (e.g. the names of the dynasty's rulers) should also be moved accordingly. utcursch | talk 19:50, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Taskmaster (TV series)Taskmaster – The television show is now in its fifth series and has an American adaptation, which I believe now makes it the primary topic over the comic book character. Pageviews (see here) for every page listed on Taskmaster (disambiguation) show that the television show is the page receiving most views – on most days, more than the other three pages combined. I imagine that this will increase dramatically as the fifth series continues (there was a noticeable spike about a week ago when the first episode was released online), and also that some views on the Marvel Comics character are unintentional (I have visited it a few times by accident looking for the television show). Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 11:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ Mrozik, Suzanne (2004). "Mahāmaudgalyāyana" (PDF). In Buswell, Robert E. Encyclopedia of Buddhism. New York [u.a.]: Macmillan Reference USA, Thomson Gale. pp. 487–8. ISBN 0-02-865720-9. 
Farang Rak Tham (talk) 00:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sidharth SlathiaSiddharth Slathia – I didn't knew the subject was controverial, all I can remember is that it was difficult to type Siddharth Slatha in my mobile phone, so I wrote Sidharth Slathia and was surely going for request the move but as I am primarily a content creator I started creating articles about villages and towns and forgot about this for a while. The subject clearly passes WP:GNG Anoptimistix (talk) 03:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC) Anoptimistix (talk) 03:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

September 12, 2017

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  • (Discuss)MTR (software)My traceroute – This title is too ambiguous and generic. People who are looking for this article would likely search for this topic by its full name, rather than its abbreviation. Moreover, the lowercase "mtr" is already targeted to MTR instead as it is more well-known. That being said, the article about the software should be renamed to reflect what it actually is. ««« SOME GADGET GEEK »»» (talk) 22:29, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)RapCityRapCity (Canadian TV series) – This was moved to the undabbed title about a decade ago, on the grounds that since the BET show had a space between Rap and City instead of being camelcased as one word, there was no title conflict. But it's now a principle of WP:DAB that if two titles differ only in punctuation or capitalization or diacritical markings, then they should still be dabbed as if they were identical. Furthermore, Google plainly reveals that references to the American series as "RapCity" without the space, and to the Canadian TV series as "Rap City" with the space, are fairly common in both directions. So for both of those reasons, this should have the disambiguator added to it, as it's not overwhelmingly more notable than the BET series — and the undabbed version should be a redirect to the dab page at Rap City. Bearcat (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy warIran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict – This is the previous title, which was changed without consensus. As I've said previously, it is more accurate to call it a "proxy conflict" as opposed to a "proxy war." It seems minor, but the conflict involves a series of proxy wars, especially in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. It also involves proxy conflicts in countries that aren't wars, like in Bahrain. I realize that it's been referred to both as a "proxy conflict" and a "proxy war" depending on the source, but the Saudi Arabia-Iran situation itself is a state of conflict, not a proxy war. The list of proxy wars article (although imperfect) acknowledges this with separate entries for each war that falls within the scope of the Saudi-Iran conflict. However, since the conflict has been referred to as both names, I think the intro should be similar to the Iran–Israel proxy conflict article, which acknowledges both names but keeps the more accurate "conflict" title. KD 02:09, 4 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:49, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Big Blue (disambiguation)Big Blue – Through most searches on third-party engines, the term "Big Blue"'s affinity is split almost equally (through search and book results) between the nickname for IBM (the current target of Big Blue) and the nickname for the New York Giants. Mixed in also with these results are references to The Big Blue. At this point, I'd say the best option for our readers would be to move the disambiguation page to the base title so they can figure out what subject they are trying to locate. Steel1943 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dynamic musicAdaptive music – The article is about music which adapts to the circumstances of its playback (namely in the video games.) "Dynamic music" (the current title of the article) is related to the quality of music that has to do with Dynamics (music) and not with the adaptiveness of the music material. "Adaptive music" is the more fitting term in this context. (Of course we'll have to rewrite the rest of the article to reflect the change of its title.) Adam J. Sporka (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kingdom of EquestriaEquestria – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the article should be titled as Equestria as it appears more in the references and sources. In Google, "Kingdom of Equestria" only has 56,000 results, while "Equestria" has about 21,500,000 results. Eflyjason (talk) 09:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)Team Virtu Cycling WomenTeam Virtu Cycling (Women) – The team name change is happening quicker than expected. Instead of waiting until 2018, the team starts racing on Tuesday, 12 SEP 2017 at the PostNord Ladies Crit, then the TTT at Bergen 2017 world champs Jonowee (talk) 12:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Popeyes Louisiana KitchenPopeyes – The name has always been "Popeyes" throughout the company's existence, but the ending words after it have changed. I think it would be simple enough just to call the page "Popeyes". JE98 (talk) 12:04, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Two-SpiritTwo-spirit – Not only should this be lower-case as a common noun (and adjective derived therefrom) per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, even if it were a proper name (which it is not), it would still be "Two-spirit", because we don't capitalize after a hyphen unless what follows the hyphen is itself a proper name (as in "post-Soviet"). It also should remain hyphenated as a compound, and is too ambiguous and confusing with a space ("Her two spirit brother ..." is unparseable gibberish that looks like a typo or some other error to anyone not already intimately familiar with the concept and apt to recognize it as intending "two-spirit"). The lead is veering all over the place with capitalization, hyphen or no hyphen, etc. All these terms should be lower case, like gay, berdache, transsexual, etc., etc. There's not something magico-linguistically special about this term because it pertains to a particular group of people. :-)  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  09:04, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)IcelakeIce Lake – All sources in the article use Intel's spelling. In the case of The Motley Fool an older article uses one word, while a newer article uses two words. Pizzahut2 (talk) 20:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MontrealMontréal – With the accent mark, this is the official name of the city. Not quite sure why it is not titled with the accent. This move also goes for all related Montréal events, places, etc. JE98 (talk) 12:48, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Player One Amusement GroupPlaydium – page name was incorrectly changed from Playdium to Player One Amusement Group. Playdium is an arcade centre in Mississauga, whereas Player One Amusement Group is a corporate entity that supplies amusement equipment to businesses and also operates Family Entertainment Centres and arcades like Playdium. All references to Player One Amusement Group should be removed and a separate new page should be created for Player One Amusement Group Mcdl14 (talk) 19:54, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Norse religionOld Norse religion – The term "Old Norse religion" is generally favoured by academics specialising in the study of this pre-Christian belief system. The archaeologist Anders Andrén for instance noted in a recent publication on the topic that "Old Norse religion" is "the conventional name" applied to the pre-Christian religions of Scandinavia. There are certainly other terms that Reliable Sources also use—"pre-Christian Norse religion", "Norse religion", "Norse paganism", "Nordic paganism", "Scandinavian paganism", "Scandinavian religion", and "Northern heathenism"—but "Old Norse religion" appears to have the widest usage among RS at present. It is therefore the most appropriate term as per WP:COMMONNAME and per WP:TITLE. In addition, "Old Norse religion" helps makes it clearer that the article is talking about the pre-Christian belief system of Northern Europe, as practiced by speakers of Old Norse, rather than the modern Pagan religion which we deal with at Heathenry (new religious movement) and which might more easily be confused with "Norse religion". Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. DrStrauss talk 18:44, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Koryo-saramKoryo Saram – Sources of the paragraph "References" in this article marked the "Koryo Saram". (e.g. Kim, German Nikolaevich (2003), Names of Koryo Saram, Al-Farabi University, archived from the original on 30 October 2003, retrieved 26 March 2007 ) Also, always the phrase "Koryo Saram" has a word spacing in Cyrillic and Korean language, like "Корё сарам" in Cyrillic and "고려 사람" in Korean language. Thanks. -- Garam (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 17:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Weekly Shonen Jump (magazine) → ?Weekly Shonen Jump and Weekly Shōnen Jump are both magazines according to their respective articles and thus fails WP:PRECISION. Parentheticals such as (Viz) or (North America) could be used and please suggest them below, but (magazine) is extraordinarily imprecise because there are two subjects that can be described with the same title that this article has now. Additionally, another option would be to rename to Weekly Shonen Jump, without the macron. 93 14:59, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)My TamMỹ Tâm – not sure why this singer is out of line with all other Vietnam BLPs. Full spelling per Olsen Popular Music of Vietnam 2008 "Mỹ Tâm is Vietnam's most famous pop singer in the first decade of the twenty-first century (Figure 3.8).", etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:01, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NoindexNoindexing – Discussed on Talk Page. New name better reflects content of article. Could the mover also please remove the "lowercase" template from the article (talk) 21:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NOVA (Bulgaria)Nova television (Bulgaria) – This article was moved from 'Nova television (Bulgaria)' to 'NOVA (Bulgaria)' by User:The TV Boy with the reason "as bgwiki version", however this should be avoided due to unnecessary capitalisation to names that are not initialisms (WP:MOSTM), and whilst the English and Bulgarian Wikipedia may be related but they don't share the same manual of style.  AxG /   20:54, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kévin MayerKevin Mayer – There doesn't appear to be an accent in this French athlete's name; the accent appears only in Wikipedia pages. No other search results have yielded "Kévin" with regard to this specific person, including official profiles and articles in French-language media where accents are integral to orthography – and therefore where it wouldn't be considered proper to leave a diacritic out of a name, like English tends to do with foreign names. References available in the article itself. Luisftd (talk) 18:37, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)KRNB lectsKRNB lects – Undiscussed move; article is about present-day lects (KRNB lects) whereas proto-Kamata is the historical proto-language of these lects. Chaipau (talk) 10:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Race and crime → ? – This article is narrowly about racial disparity in the criminal justice system, not about general connections or alleged connections between race and crime. That's an article we don't have but desperately need, despite the controversiality of the topic. (That is, among the general public; as far as I can tell, the scientific consensus is that propensity toward crime is socio-economic, not genetic. A related "academic" topic is Biosocial criminology, and Statistical correlations of criminal behaviour also mentions the question in passing without any real detail, and that seems to be all we have.) The present article text is mostly about the US, but it's barely above stub level and the article's talk page already calls for widening the lens. However, whether there's police and judicial prejudice against minorities, and whether there's a connection between ethnicity (or other genetics) and criminality are completely unconnected topics, and neither of them are described by "Race and crime", which is fatally ambiguous. I'm not certain what the proper title for this article is. I think that people from the sociology, criminology, etc., wikiprojects will have a good answer in mind, though. [Update: I inserted the first proposal, "Race and criminal justice", as a likely one.] — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  04:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kim Wall (journalist)Death of Kim Wall – Per the discussion above; it is not evident that Kim Wall is independently notable outside of the event of her death. Consequently, this page may be a violation of WP:1E. This RM is intended to see if there is consensus to move or merge this article. NickCT (talk) 02:59, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional SindicalistaFET y de las JONS – Under WP:NAMINGCRITERIA and considering WP:NCPP. A quick search in Google Books gives around 3000 results for FET y de las JONS, compared to 885 for Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional Sindicalista or 322 for its English translation, making the proposal more recognizable in English reliable sources as per WP:COMMONNAME. FET y de las JONS also improves over the current title in being more natural and concise (the current title is absurdingly long and is not one a reader would likely search for), while being equally precise and with no difference on consistency (the current one doesn't look like it was thought of to be specifically consistent with anything else, but rather, because of it being the full Spanish name of the party). A quick glance to the page's history reveals that this article was moved several times in the past to other random titles, albeit in a somewhat chaotic way and without a true discussion. Impru20 (talk) 22:22, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Samuel Osgood HouseSamuel Osgood House (Massachusetts) – The New York building is the first U.S. presidential mansion, the historical predecessor to the current White House. The notability of the Massachusetts building, while not in doubt, rests pretty much on its being listed on the National Register of Historic Places. On pretty much every criterion, the NY building is the primary topic: * Incoming links. About 200 for the NY building; 2 for the MA building -- although the NY building's count is obviously raised by its presence in the navigation template {{George Washington}}; * Page visits. A Pageviews comparisonshows the NY house getting between 2500-4000 views in most months (it jumped to 5,000 and 6,000 around the times of Trump's election and inauguration, but those are presumably outliers); the MA house never goes over 100.
* Search engine results. Searches for "Samuel Osgood House" overwhelmingly return results on the NY house: Google (web); Google Books; Google scholar. See the Advanced Search sidebar if you'd like to do further searches. * The articles themselves. The article on the NY house, while short, is several paragraphs of well-researched and well-illustrated material. The article on the MA house is a three-sentence stub. The current naming appears to be an accident of history; the article on the MA house was created first, in 2008 and as the first article got the unqualified name; when the article on the NY house was created in 2010, it needed to be qualified because of the preexisting article. Nonetheless, the NY presidential mansion is clearly the primary topic, even if its article was second-created. TJRC (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2017 Australian constitutional crisisAustralian parliamentary eligibility crisis, 2017 – As noted by various commenters in the deletion discussion, calling it a "constitutional crisis" is rather overboard. The Dismissal was a "constitutional crisis" because it was a constitutional conflict over the running of the government, during which the Constitution of Australia did not resolve, as the definition of the Wikipedia article outlined. In this case, the Constitution is completely able to resolve the conflict, as stated in Section 44 of the Constitution itself, anybody with foreign allegiance to another state cannot serve in Parliament, no 'if's and 'but's, no constitutional crisis. "Scandal" is the more appropriate descriptor for these series of events, since its the most common descriptor used by the press (SBS World News, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Daily Telegraph,, Time, The New York Times). It's also worth explicitly stating in the title that it's a scandal exclusive to the Parliament of Australia. Calling it an "Australian crisis" implies that it's a nation-wide scandal of sorts, i.e. everybody who works for government not allowed to be a dual citizen or similar erroneous thoughts. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 21:05, 19 August 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TheSandDoctor (talk) 17:04, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tony TanTony Tan Keng Yam – The current Singapore president Tony Tan is often referred to in other encyclopedias [32] and Singapore's media [33] [34] as "Tony Tan Keng Yam". As per WP:PRECISION, "Tony Tan Keng Yam" would be precise enough to refer to the person concerned. I believe that it would make more sense, in the context of Wikipedia, for the title "Tony Tan" to be used for the disambiguation page. -- YewGotUp (talk) 17:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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