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Joker (comics)

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I've listed this article for peer review because… I want to know what needs to be done, so it can become a future GA and maybe even become an FA.

Thanks, --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Interesting article with a lot of detail, obvious has had a lot of work done on it. Here are some suggestions for improvement - please note I tend to give examples of problems and that these are not usually an exhaustive list (if I give one typo, there may be many more):

  • A model article is often helpful as a guide and for examples to follow. I note that WikiProject Comics has 16 FAs, including Batman, Superman, and Captain Marvel (DC Comics), which may be good models.
  • Per WP:LEAD the lead should be expanded to summarize the whole article. My rule of thumb is that every header should mentioned somehow in the lead, even if only as a word or phrase. Also nothing major should be in the lead that is not also in the article itself - so the actors who have portrayed the Joker should also be in the text.
  • It is important when writing about fiction to maintain an out of universe perspective and to provide context for the reader. For example, in the lead the murders of Jason Todd (the second Robin) and Jim Gordon's second wife Sarah Essen. the second Robin provides context, but I did not know who Jim Gordon is (I think of him as Commissioner Gordon). See WP:IN-U and WP:PCR
  • The article has seven fair use images, which seems like it may be a bit much, especiallyy in WP:FAC. See WP:FAIR USE
  • Article needs a copyedit for grammar and to tighten prose - for example just in the lead That characterization continued through the late 1950s and 1960s before the character became [was] again depicted as a vicious killer.
  • I read the GA and GAR and agree that this is seriously under-referenced. Every quote (In the one-shot Underworld Unleashed, the Trickster remarks, "When super-villains want to scare each other, they tell Joker stories".), every extraordinary claim (The Joker is renowned as Batman's most unpredictable foe.), every statistic and every paragraph needs a citation. See WP:CITE, [[WP:V]
  • Article has realtively little material from independent third-party sources - what do comic critics and historians write about the Joker?
  • The end of the article (long bullet point lists) needs to be turned into flowing text.
  • There are several short paragraphs sections that could be combined with another section or perhaps expanded (Other media). Short paragraphs and sections break up the flow of the article too.
  • Refs look OK, but beware at FAC there are questions about what makes a source reliable. Some of the websites may be doubtful (comicvine.com? newsarama.com?) - see WP:RS

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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