Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values

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Elderly Wikipedian with rose-tinted spectacles gazing longingly at the original paper copy of the encyclopedia.

It is quite normal for each generation, as they age, to yearn for the values of the past, in a rose-tinted spectacles manner. There probably never was a time of Wikipedian harmony, polite collegiality and happiness, but it's nice to think that there was, and to aspire to bring it back.

Some long-term editors have noticed that they've become increasingly grumpy and bad-tempered onwiki. This could be for any number of reasons, but the impact is that they are less happy contributors and the effects become a negative feedback cycle, drawing in more and more grumpy contributors.

By pledging to return to these Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values, perhaps your example will spread, making the whole environment more pleasant. But even if it does not, you can feel happy about yourself and the contributions you're making. After all, the high ground is a great place to be. But beware the high horse;[1] it can be painful to fall off this animal.

The pledges

I will:

  1. Be unfailingly polite, even to vandals, let alone regulars with whom I disagree.
  2. Take the mantra of assuming good faith to within a whisker of absurdity.
  3. Apologise for perceived shortcomings, even on occasions when I think it is barely necessary.
  4. Welcome other editors pointing out to me when I fail to meet the first three pledges.


Some people like userboxes. If you sign up, feel free to add this one, if you fancy:

Conrad von Soest, 'Brillenapostel' (1403).jpg
This user pledges to return to
Old-Fashioned Wikipedian Values.

To include this userbox in your page, just copy the following template:
{{User:Pdebee/UBX/Old-Fashioned Wikipedia Values}}

With grateful thanks to User:Diannaa, who provided the technical skills.


  • As author of the essay, Dweller (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
  • The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
  • BencherliteTalk 08:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I think it's why I have been called naive recently, cloud cuckoo land was also mentioned, - I call it dream. (Look for Peace and Reformation on my user page) - Please let me know when I don't know enough of the "old" values, I still feel new here and learning.
    Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Dianna (talk) 12:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I will try my hardest to do this in moving forward. <Ched resists the urge to yell at the kids playing on his lawn> — Ched :  ?  18:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Great idea Cliftonian (talk) 10:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
  • A much better idea than the proposed admin-oath. Lectonar (talk) 19:24, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Arrivisto (talk) 14:18, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Dontreader (talk) 00:21, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Go Phightins!
  • I'll trade you this Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:55, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I never edited Old Fashioned Wikipedia, but I found my grandma's rose-colored spectacles in the attic. Good principles on- and off-line. FourViolas (talk) 03:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Absolutely. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
  • A worthy goal. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) WER 23:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Hafspajen "nominated" me for this; see User talk:Joshua Jonathan#SPI. I'm honoured by his nomination, and I enlist. See also Bodhisattva and Guanyin. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Delighted to see such a group exists! Quinto Simmaco (talk) 04:35, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
  • OlEnglish (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry I didn't sign this four or five years ago. ϢereSpielChequers 10:22, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Looking at my own nine-year history on Wikipedia, I realize that as the years have gone by I have become somewhat more snarky and even on occasion uncivil. I am going to take the pledge, starting on 01 July 2015. I encourage others to call me on it if I fall short. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
  • This looks so wonderful. Please count me in, I want to join your gang.-- (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • It's the Canadian way. The Interior (Talk) 15:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I've had this userbox for a while now on my user page, it's about time I signed up. Liz Read! Talk! 08:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Sign me up. /wia /talk 01:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Excellent list of principles; will do my best to meet them. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Looks a good idea. JRPG (talk) 12:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I just came upon this, and I figure I am old enough in fish years. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I am definitely joining now, before it's too late! Face-wink.svg
    With love & kindest regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 22:16, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Count me in! Mademoiselle La Souris (Squeak!) 04:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I do so pledge. --Erick Shepherd (talk) 14:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I pledge. –Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Late again, but glad I have found this as I have found my patience disappearing somewhere.. I will try. Edmund Patrickconfer 15:04, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I've been a member forever without realising it. Now I have no excuses. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:29, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Probably should have signed up years ago as I've had this page marked for quite awhile. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Way better than the drink! Miniapolis 21:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
  • That's a formula for life inside and outside Wiki. Ex nihil (talk) 09:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Yep, that's the way. --A D Monroe III (talk) 16:29, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
  • This has always worked best for me. It doesn't work for everyone, and that's okay with me. - Dank (push to talk) 12:25, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
  • FInally feeling home. FkpCascais (talk) 17:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • That's a wonderful idea. Hope to have the ability to abide by all the points. --Mhhossein talk 12:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
If you're not old-fashioned, a few of these Old Fashioneds will calm you enough to be! :) Just make sure that you don't reach the WP:DRUNKEDIT stage.
  • Just saw this thanks to your signature. I try to do all as this suggests already, and hope I succeed..and that if I don't, I recognize it and/or accept corrective comments from my fellow wikipedians. Can I use the image on the right instead of the bespectacled gent? :) --Hammersoft (talk) 00:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
    Why of course! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. But great ideas and The Dude abide. 7&6=thirteen () 17:33, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • StevenJ81 (talk) 04:00, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Mz7 (talk) 13:43, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Need to slap myself in the face to temper the sarcasm that creeps in when dealing with constant little acts of vandalism (minor) and opinionated editors whos views are always 'right' (more major). Matilda Maniac (talk) 01:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, indeed.Junosoon (talk) 09:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I was helped when I first joined Wikipedia by users who share these values, and I intend to do the same. Daylen (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Well, I was about to bite some newcomers and start a few edit wars, but...*sighs* Fine. ;-) Cheers! Skyraider1 (talk) 01:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Meh... Been doing that in real life since a long time. Should try it on wikipedia too. —usernamekiran(talk) 05:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Well, absolutely yeah especially I'm sarcastic. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 20:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • "There probably never was a time of Wikipedian harmony, polite collegiality and happiness, but it's nice to think that there was, and to aspire to bring it back". No, there never was a time. What is true is that "there's always one". I encountered the first one almost as soon as I arrived on here and there has been a steady stream of ones ever since, thus confirming the second eternal reality that "there's always another one". Believe it or not, it is not in my nature in RL to be grumpy or bad-tempered but, on here, the level of provocation is something else. Nevertheless, I'm all in favour of good ideals except that, like good ideas, they have an alarmingly high failure rate. Why? Because there's always one. Despite the one, I fully support the initiative but I don't wear rose-tinted spectacles and will not hold my breath. Why? Because there'll always be another one. So ends my homespun philosophy and I will try to be more tolerant of total arseholes difficult individuals in future. Jack | talk page 12:16, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Might not be old enough to call myself old-fashioned, but this has always been my philosophy. ansh666 21:57, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm already doing this!  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  03:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

See also

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