Wikipedia:Media copyright questions

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I have updated the copyright tag info on this image but Wikipedia would not allow me to save the changes.

Here is the image: File:Keltner's_Celebration_of_Life_program_photo.tif

Please help. Thank you.

Luckybrian (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC) Luckybrian 10 July 2017, 1642 UTC

So @Luckybrian: what you posted does not actually show us what you did but only shows us what is on the image page now. This link shows the history and exactly what text you altered/added. The problem is that you have not added an actual free copyright tag per the type of permission given by the copyright holder, Maria Keltner. Also adding the template {{OTRS expected}} is no good because we don't have any such template, which is what it is redlink. I assume what you are trying to do is confirm that an email verification is/will be sent to the OTRS team, in which case you can add {{OTRS pending}} separately to the file with the curly brackets. Have the copyright holder follow the procedure found at WP:CONSENT but please tell them to be patient as there is more than a month backlog. BTW there is no need to post the same question here twice. ww2censor (talk) 18:27, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi again Luckybrian. First a general comment about noticeboard use and then a specific comment about this particular file. When you post a question like you did above in WP:MCQ#Questions about suitability for Wikipedia on 2 image files, anything further related to the same discussion should be added there; you don't really need to start a new thread for each new post you make. Keeping all of the related posts togehter will make it easier for others to follow the discussion from start to finish and avoid any unnecessary repeating of information. A new thread is really only needed when you are asking something completely unrelated to your previous questions.
Now for this particular file, it seems you wrote "Copyright holder is Maria Keltner, John Keltner's widow. I have asked her for permission to use the image under a free license". There are two things you and Ms. Keltner need to be sure of in this case:
  1. You need to be sure that Ms. Keltner is the really copyright holder and not just the owner of the photo. Many people assume that physically owning a photo automatically means that they also own the copyright of the photo, but this is not always the case. For example, a photographer may agree to take your picture and then subsequently give you the photo to have as a keepsake, but they may still retain their ownership over the photo's copyright depending upon the specifics of your agreement with them. So, if Ms. Keltner is not the person who took the photo, she may be asked to clarify her claim of copyright ownership or show there has been some kind of copyright transfer agreement between her and the photographer, especially if it turns out that the was previously used in some publication or online, etc.
  2. Assuming that #1 is not an issue, Ms. Keltner cannot only give "you" permission to use the photo; she needs to understand that she is giving everyone anywhere in the world permission to use the photo. She also cannot limit this permission to only the draft article about her husband you're currently working on; she is giving permission for the photo to be used in pretty much any manner,including ways that she or other members of her family may not personally approve of or agree with. Once she release the photo under a free image, there's really no way to cancel the license. The photo can be deleted from Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, but the license will live on and people who have downloaded the photo under the free license will continue to be able to use it as such.
You and Ms. Keltner need to be fairly sure of the above because if you have any doubts, you should probably not upload the file under a free license. A non-free image may be a better choice sinc it can be uploaded locally to Wikipedia for use as the primary means of identification in an article written about her husband; it just cannot be added to the draft your working on per Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. For what its worth, whether the draft you're writing is eventually approved and upgraded to article status is not going to depend upon whether there are any photos in it; it's going to be assessed to see whether the subject meets WP:BIO, WP:AUTHOR or WP:PROF. In other words, it's going to be the subject's Wikipedia notability (or lack thereof) which determines the fate of the draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:59, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello again,

Re: :File:Keltner's_Celebration_of_Life_program_photo.tif and my draft: John W. Keltner

On July 12, 2017, the copyright holder, Maria Keltner, used the Interactive Release Generator to give permission to use the image under a free license. Is there anything further she or I need to do at this point? And do you have all the info you need except her permission?

Thank you for your time and patience.

Luckybrian (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)Luckybrian

Processed and updated - OTRS ticket # 2017071310002045 Nthep (talk) 17:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Any template to avoid good-faith removal of apparent copyright violations, when the other source copied from Wikipedia?

I'm pretty sure I've seen this template somewhere, but can't find it.

Continuity of Government: How the U.S. Government Functions After All Hell Breaks Loose is a book published by the vanity press Lulu Press; it was first-published December 27, 2016.

The text on page 119 is near-identical to text in Presidential Succession Act; you can see that it was in the Wikipedia article (even closer to identically) at least one year prior to the book's publication (revision as of October 29, 2015).

Is there a template that can be placed to keep well-meaning editors from erroneously removing this text from the article as an apparent copyright violation, when in fact the misappropriation is the other way around? TJRC (talk) 22:03, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I think you are looking for Template:Backwardscopy. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes! That's the one. Thank you. TJRC (talk) 22:52, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Annals of Al-Tabari

I found this picture from the Annals of Al-Tabari on printerest, stated to be taken from the Topkapı Saray Museum in Istanbul. Is it public domain, cause of it's age or not? I do not understand how to present the specific image, told in the previous page, without uploading it first, so I hope it's fine to give a link here: Thank you for helping. --VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Are these copyvios?

Yesterday I found an editor adding links to articles that went to a site that allowed people to view pirated copies of films that are currently in theaters. They person was blocked based on my post here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Spamming. I still have a question as to whether the edits should be rev/del'd. I would think that there existence in the edit history would be a copyvio. If I am mistaken that would be good to know as well. Any information that anyone can provide would be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 23:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I would agree that links to a site that only exists to serve copyright violations added to any page of WP should be revdel'd, just because the legalities of deep linking are not yet 100% clear. Links to copyvio videos on other sites that otherwise are generally legit (eg YouTube) are less problematic; the link should obviously still be removed, but revdel is not as serious a problem here. --MASEM (t) 01:08, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Published reproduction of 1908 color transparency

Hermann Minkowski presented his famous lecture, "Raum und Zeit", in 1908 before the 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists and Physicians. He died of appendicitis in 1909.

A color reproduction of a transparency that he used in his lecture appeared on the cover of The Mathematical Intelligencer, Volume 31, Number 2 (2009). A copy of the cover image of the transparency appears in the free edition of Space and Time: Minkowski's Papers on Relativity, published by the Minkowski Institute.

A link to a screen capture of this image is here in my Google Drive space:

What is the copyright status of this image?

Thanks, Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 09:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Think that the color transparency firmly comes under "slavish copy" and thus is not granted any copyright. Re: Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. As Hermann died in 1909, the copyright in his his artwork has also expired. Me thinks, this is certainly PD. Any further comments? Aspro (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! I thought that would be the case. But there was just that tiny bit of uncertainty... Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Sidney H. Chang

Dear Editors:

Please help to resolve the copyright issues with the following two image files that were removed from the article that I am currently editing and that is almost ready to be moved to Wiki main space. The title of the article is "Sidney H. Chang" and the photos are from his private archive. His sons have given me permission to use both photos in digital format. The b&w portrait was made in December 1979 and a family friend took a digital picture of it. The photo was printed in the newspaper obituary. I would like to use the portrait for the Wiki article as well. The second photo has the attribution (author, date, place). I took a digital snapshot of it to upload in the Wiki article. Both were removed and not restored despite my protestations. Please help in a constructive way to make this article better. Instead of removing photos provide feedback on how to make it work. Thank you very much for taking the time to resolve the issues.

File: Sidney H. Chang in December 1979.jpg
File:Sidney H. Chang (second from left, holding a camera) with members of the Missouri Branch of Chinese Students Association greeting Milton J. T. Shieh in Columbia, Missouri in March 1959. Photo by Noel E. Tomas.jpg

California Historian (talk) 07:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Ownership of a photo does not confer any rights to the person possessing it and making a digital image of such a photo is a derivative work. The copyright rests with the original photographer and it is their permission you need to upload these images under a free license, unless they have died and their heirs give permission or they are dead for the required time for copyright to have expired, which is usually 70 years. The images were deleted because they did not have any evidence of permission. Based on your information I don't know if you are able to fulfill either of those requirements, but the sons may have more details to help you. The article Sidney H. Chang seems to indicate he was quite well known so it would seem that some freely licensed images of him should exist, otherwise, for a deceased person, under the strict non-free media policy requirements you may be able to use one of the image in the article so long as it complies with all 10 of the requirements. You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page to that explain the issue you are having as well as most other scenarios you may encounter. ww2censor (talk) 11:01, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Liu Xiaobo.jpg

The file description says it came from AsiaNews, a commercial news agency. Is this image acceptable? --George Ho (talk) 19:26, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

It is the subject of the source commentary. So in that regards it is fine. However, the person just died a few days ago. I seem to remember a discussion on waiting a few months to at least attempt to find a free image. Death does not immediately negate WP:NFCCP #1. --Majora (talk) 19:34, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Wait, Majora. The source said the image came from Apple Daily. --George Ho (talk) 19:35, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Almost forgot, the proposals to expand WP:NFCI's #10 criteria failed. --George Ho (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The specific phrasing of the CSD criterion in question is Non-free images or media from a commercial source (e.g., Associated Press, Getty), where the file itself is not the subject of sourced commentary, are considered an invalid claim of fair use and fail the strict requirements of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria; and may be deleted immediately.

The image is the subject of the sourced commentary so CSD doesn't apply. I'm looking for the discussion on death negating NFC policy (and how long you have to wait though). I'm pretty sure the consensus was to delete such images anyways. --Majora (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Well prove me wrong then. I guess the image itself is ok? --Majora (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm... What about WP:NFCC#2? --George Ho (talk) 19:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Our use of it here doesn't necessarily negate commercial opportunities. The fair use carve out in US law most certainly allows for it and the upload here doesn't stop the copyright holder from selling it elsewhere. So I believe that criterion is met in this instance. --Majora (talk) 19:52, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

File:George Sodini.jpg

This image is used in the "2009 Collier Township shooting" article. Does it still meet NFCC? I see details about the perpetrator, but I don't know whether those details are necessary to readers. --George Ho (talk) 09:41, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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