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Copy-paste merging versus history-merging

Followup to the already archived Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Archive 16#Proposal for update in the student instructions for moving drafts into mainspace. See Wikipedia talk:Merging#When to request a histmerge. You might consider making the archiving of this page a little less aggressive, so I'm not forced to create a fork of a discussion that's less than a month old. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: 7 days is rather aggressive, isn't it. I think that's a hold-over from when course announcements were all posted here rather than a subpage, making the page fairly unwieldy when not archived frequently. I've changed it to 30 days -- we'll see how that works. And thanks for the link. I'll take a look at this on Monday, but wanted to comment that this is definitely something we want to spend time on this summer, revising training materials prior to the fall 2017 courses starting. I've added DNAU to this thread to ensure it's here at that time. Also want to ping Shalor (Wiki Ed), the content expert working with that class in particular. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/688809 Memory/Archive. We need adequate notice of student editing, and course instructors shouldn't be assigning the task of writing multiple content forks of the same topic, leaving it for overworked volunteers to clean up. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I apologise for dropping the ball on that one, I started preparing the page about the course but didn't share it on the announcement noticeboard. Advance notice of editing would certainly have helped, but the students' accounts remain blocked. Please could the blocks be lifted? Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 12:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't think just an announcement on a noticeboard is sufficient. Most editors are not monitoring these noticeboards. There should be some indication on the editor's user or user talk page, such as Template:Student editor (e.g., like this). It should link to their assignment, so we can see what their objective is. wbm1058 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Note how Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Rutgers University/Languages in Peril Section II (Spring 2017) lists each student in the class, along with the titles of the Wikipedia articles that they are working on.
Wikipedia:Outreach Dashboard/Swansea University/LAA319 - Competition Law doesn't have a similar list of students and articles. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, I see that course runs until 28 June 2017. Can these closely related articles either be merged, or clearly differentiated using WP:summary style so that it's clear they are not forks covering the same topic? wbm1058 (talk) 13:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Just to comment on noticeboard announcements, though wbm1058 has since clarified that's not necessarily the question here, I don't think there's a formal process for announcing Education Program classes in general. Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Wiki Ed course submissions is a page of notices automatically (or semi-automatically) generated by the Wiki Ed Dashboard), but I don't think WMF has incorporated an equivalent into the Programs and Events Dashboard (classes outside the US/CA), so the best way to stay up on that would probably be to keep tabs on the Dashboard itself. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 12:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Btw, Wbm1058, I don't know if you saw this, but from the page you linked you can click the "Dashboard" link at the top and then go to the "students" tab to see the list of students and assigned articles (though it looks like most have not added an article yet -- perhaps that's what you mean). --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, no I didn't find that until you pointed it out. But there I see "Assignment End: 2017-05-10", so it's not clear to me whether the course is still active, and whether the students will return to editing if their accounts are unlocked. Sockpuppet investigations isn't an area I'm active in administratively, so I'm unclear on proper procedures for reopening an investigation and unblocking editors... if we can wait on User:Bbb23 to do it then I'm sure it will be done the right way. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll keep an eye on students doing this. This summer we're going to be working on refining some of our handouts and instructions, so this will definitely be something we look at. :) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 12:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Frankly, folks, Wiki Ed drives me crazy. You have no idea how many cases are brought to WP:SPI from which, understandably, blocks ensue and then along comes someone to say, oh, these are students. How are we supposed to know that? There should be a clear notice on their userpage as to who they are and a link to the program. It would be better for you, the students, and the various unsuspecting editors at Wikipedia who become involved. I'm not going to spontaneously look at a Wiki Ed venue every time I evaluate a case. Unless you start cleaning up your procedures, this won't be the last time this happens. I will unblock the four accounts and remove the sock tags from their userpages (no need to reopen the case). Someone else can deal with the undeleting of any pages that were deleted. BTW, Richard, you should not have edited the SPI archive. Instead, you should have gone to Wbm1058, to me, or to an SPI clerk to make your request. I'm sure Wiki Ed is a lot of work and you, of course, provide a valuable service to Wikipedia and to the outside community, so I apologize for being, uh, brusque.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @Bbb23: Every class working with Wiki Ed (the Wiki Education Foundation) should have a list of students on the course page, a tag on every student's user page, and a tag on the articles they work on (there are some exceptions to the latter based on the way sandboxes are handled). I think that you're probably talking about the parts of the Education Program that aren't Wiki Ed? That seems like it could be addressed by incorporating the templating procedures into the P&E Dashboard. @Sage (Wiki Ed): who is the best person to ask about that at WMF (or otherwise)? --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • If the P&E Dashboard was set up to automatically create a page on-wiki listing editors involved that would be very helpful. Currently it has to be manually set up which relies on my (very much fallible) memory. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @Ryan (Wiki Ed): Are you saying that this program with these users was not part of Wiki Ed?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:45, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @Bbb23: The Wiki Education Foundation ("Wiki Ed" for short) manages the Wikipedia Education Program for institutions in the United States and Canada. WMF manages the Education Program elsewhere, along with various chapters. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Ah, I'll try to remember that. And here I thought the only Foundation I had to bitch about was the WMF. A new target for my irritation.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I see that m:Education is a disambiguation page. It would be nice, and less confusing for unaffiliated, independent editors and administrators, if the Wikipedia Education Program, a program of Wikimedia Outreach (why is that page tagged as "historical" if the Education Program still uses their logo and Outreach has its own wiki?), had all of their chapters, including WMUK, using the same standards and procedures developed by the Wiki Education Foundation, which I presume is no longer a proposed Wikimedia thematic organization, as the disambiguation page still claims? wbm1058 (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bbb23: WikiEd haven't done anything wrong here (and do an excellent job) this course is under my auspices rather than theirs. I agree that student accounts should include a note on their user page that they are taking part in an educational course and I will make sure that happens. Thank you for taking the time to unblock the accounts. I apologise for the extra work this has created and appreciate that it is taking up your volunteer time. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
@Richard Nevell (WMUK): Not to worry, many of my comments are tongue-in-cheek, although I have had some negative experiences in the past. This is the first time I've learned something useful, i.e., the division of responsibility. Happy teaching.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bbb23: Yes, there are different hubs of activity. For future courses (not just this one but others I'm involved) I'll be making sure students have a notice on their user page and on talk pages as Ryan said is compulsory for WikiEd courses. Currently I recommend it for courses WMUK assists, but it should be a requirement rather than a recommendation. Please could 826540MAH (talk · contribs) 838181CDC (talk · contribs) 838463swanseauni (talk · contribs) Elinahh (talk · contribs) Nfyfe826276 (talk · contribs) also be unblocked? Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
An important responsibility for any class assignment, no matter which program advises it, is to put Template:Educational assignment on the talk page of every article being worked on. That's the first and foremost way to let other editors know that these are student editors, and not something else. Then, as also mentioned above, students should put Template:Student editor on their own userpages – and of course there should be a course page that clearly identifies the instructor. These steps can go a long way towards preventing such problems as mistaking student edits for socking, and also help a lot with keeping communication open with other editors. I think that all programs that work with student assignments should try to make these things clear to all classes they work with. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Automatic edits from Programs & Events Dashboard

@Richard Nevell (WMUK), Wbm1058, Bbb23, and Ryan (Wiki Ed): I'm currently mentoring User:Medhabansal for an internship project to enable edits from Programs & Events Dashboard, which would let us enable some of the edits that the Wiki Ed Dashboard makes on a wiki-by-wiki basis. The project just started, but hopefully within the next few months we can have the automatically-updated course pages and the userpage templates like for Wiki Ed courses. --Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

That's a very encouraging development. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Online Ambassador application: USERNAME

Not done This system is being retired. — xaosflux Talk 16:05, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Sachinthonakkara

Sachinthonakkara (talk · contribs)

  1. Why do you want to be a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    To explore wikipedia and its functioning.
  2. In three sentences or less, summarize your involvement with Wikimedia projects.
    YOUR ANSWER (OPTIONAL)
  3. Please indicate a few articles to which you have made significant content contributions. (e.g. DYK, GA, FA, major revisions/expansions/copyedits).
    Lead, Pharmacology, Cyclic AMP, intravenous sodium bicarbonate to name a few.
  4. How have you been involved with welcoming and helping new users on Wikipedia?
    YOUR ANSWER (OPTIONAL)
  5. What do you see as the most important ways we could welcome newcomers or help new users become active contributors?
    YOUR ANSWER (OPTIONAL)
  6. Have you had major conflicts with other editors? Blocks or bans? Involvement in arbitration? Feel free to offer context, if necessary.
    One of my expansions/revision for the article saline(medicine) was tagged with copy and pasting.
  7. How often do you edit Wikipedia and check in on ongoing discussions? Will you be available regularly for at least two hours per week, in your role as a mentor?
    I don't edit wikipedia often, but check on its contents regularly. I can avail two hours per week for wikipedia.
  8. How would you make sure your students were not violating copyright laws?
    Well there is not anything such as a copyright, its all about money and negotiation; and if published in a legal manner it becomes a copyright; but the contents posted on wikipedia can be authenticated by checking the log in IP or user profile and educational background of the person.
  9. If one of your students had an issue with copyright violation how would you resolve it?
    Post a warning message and post a link to the terms of use and license that are applicable for the contents posted on wikipedia.
  10. In your _own_ words describe what copyright violation is.
    It can not be defined as such because every country as has its own rules and regulation; Copyright violation can not be implied on countries with lower economic status or GDP; these things are applicable only to developed countries. To put it in simple words copyright violation is plagiarism, but is nullified when the person has better memorisation capability, than relying on individual skills or serendipity. Copyrights are mainly applicable on inventions rather than discoveries.
  11. What else should we know about you that is relevant to being a Wikipedia Ambassador?
    YOUR ANSWER (OPTIONAL)

Sachin T. Jose 01:14, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Endorsements

(Two endorsements are needed for online ambassador approval.)


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Request for course instructor right: VandyChem5600 (talk)

Not done This system is being retired, please follow up with VandyChem5600 below for using the new system.
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Name

Tina Qin

Institution

Vanderbilt University

Course title and description
Assignment plan
Number of students
Start and end dates

@OhanaUnited, Neelix, Helaine (Wiki Ed), Pharos, and Pongr: @Sleuthwood, Etlib, Biosthmors, and Kayz911: @Jami (Wiki Ed), Rjensen, and Bluerasberry: --VandyChem5600 (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


Return to the Course pages module.


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Discussion break - fixing the intake workflow

  • Hi @Shalor (Wiki Ed):, with the retirement of the encyclopedia hosted courses modules coming, is there a new intake process the "new instructor" workflow should be using? — xaosflux Talk 19:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Typically instructors go through Samantha or Will to get everything set up, so I've pointed the educator in their direction. I know that Ryan knows a bit more about this, though. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
    @Shalor (Wiki Ed): I'm trying to determine if Wikipedia:Training/For educators/Setting up your course and the later pages are in need of updating to stop creating on-wiki schools, courses, etc? — xaosflux Talk 04:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Xaosflux: The page you've linked to is specifically about the course page extension that, according to another thread on this page, is being phased out. But ideally nobody would get to that page, because the root page for that training, Wikipedia:Training/For educators, has been changed to point to the instructor orientation at wikiedu.org. (Update: it looks like there is still a page that links to that slide directly here). In general, instructors in the United States and Canada only need to go to wikiedu.org to get started. The process is laid out pretty clearly there, and will result in staff getting in touch with them. Outside of those countries, instructors are free to use wikiedu.org resources like the training, but the classes themselves would best be on the Programs and Events Dashboard, which does also have its own set of training modules. To find support for classes outside the US and CA, it's still probably good practice to post to ENB. @TFlanagan-WMF, NSaad (WMF), and VMasrour (WMF): can probably say more about that process (and are generally good people to ping for courses outside the US/CA). Hope this helps. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm asking because the original poster on this section clearly came here asking for on-wiki user flags from a form here, which may need fixing? — xaosflux Talk 16:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. Honestly, though I found the preload for the text above, I'm not sure what page would has a link/button using it. Perhaps you know of a better way to search the wikicode of pages for one still be using that template? Meanwhile, my colleague reached out to the user by email to try to pin down that page. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@Ryan (Wiki Ed): Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects for one. — xaosflux Talk 23:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Aha. That sure looks like the likely culprit. As a Wiki Ed employee, I try to be mindful of editing community pages based on my own perspective of what's best for people in the Education Program (since Wiki Ed is not all of the Education Program). But IMO I think continuing to have them is likely more confusion than help -- especially if the course page extension is completely phased out. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

University of South Florida/ENL6236 18th C Women Authors (Fall 2015)

Education Program:University of South Florida/ENL6236 18th C Women Authors (Fall 2015) was removed in August 2015, with the rationale "using new dashboard instead". There are three related talk pages that are orphaned and appear to have been missed during the transition:

Should these pages still be deleted (CSD G8 may apply) or kept? If kept, should they be moved elsewhere? -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Anyone? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:47, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
@Black Falcon: I deleted per G8, and in that they were single author edits only, and not "talking" about things. — xaosflux Talk 05:17, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
@Black Falcon: It looks like the content was successfully moved over to this Dashboard page, so I suspect there would be no objection to deleting them. Pinging the instructor, LLRungegordon, just in case. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Oops. (edit conflict). Nevermind. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:21, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, xaosflux and Rhododendrites! Cheers, -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Anassakata80 at Susquehanna

Anassakata80 claims to be a college instructor; clearly s/he needs help. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: Thanks. Reached out on his/her talk page. Didn't see an obvious match on the school's website after a few minutes of looking, so hopefully we hear back on-wiki. Let us know if you catch and other clues that would allow us to find his/her email? --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:19, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tamara McNowers

Please see the above SPI and let me know if the named accounts listed are students involved in some assignment or something similar. I believe this noticeboard involves projects that are located in the U.S. or Canada. These users are editing from Europe. If I should post this question somewhere else, please tell me where because every time I get involved in this area of Wikipedia I find it confusing. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bbb23: This noticeboard is for the Education Program everywhere, but most of the activity is about the US and CA (the area covered by Wiki Education Foundation). I don't see any activity from those users in the Programs & Events Dashboard, so it's unlikely they're working with anyone from the Education Program. @TFlanagan-WMF, VMasrour (WMF), and NSaad (WMF): does this look like a class on your radar? --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
@Ryan (Wiki Ed): Thanks for your quick response. The editors you pinged haven't edited en.wiki in a while, so I won't hold my breath for any additional responses. I've tried one other thing to figure out what is going on, but I may not get a response from that inquiry either. Ah well, blocking may be the only recourse.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Citation Hunt concerns (reduxe)

As a followup to my previous thread on this subject, I just found these edits to Gabon on my watchlist, presumably made using Citation Hunt by a student in the course Southern Oregon University/Introduction to Clinical Psychology (Winter 2018), which added a Wikipedia mirror. Looking further at edits by other students at this course, I found this edit to Methodism, which added a reference to a book whose text is copied from Wikipedia, and this edit to Anglo-Nubian goat which cited a webpage that used Wikipedia as a source (i.e. another circular reference). These edits to Sixty Minutes were fine but ultimately unnecessary, and these edits to Washington County, Indiana were also reasonable. However, I still think an accuracy rate of two out of five is still very concerning (and I only checked edits that were far out of the purview of the course). Graham87 16:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Pinging Ian (Wiki Ed), the content expert for this course. Graham87 16:48, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Graham87. Thanks for flagging this. Since Citation Hunt is pretty widely used (edit-a-thons, 1lib1ref, etc.) are you seeing a marked difference in student work as a whole vs. average new users? Adding citations is a common way to dip one's toe in the water on Wikipedia, of course, before making more substantial contributions, and Citation Hunt facilitates doing just that. Since there are thousands of students editing Wikipedia, with some number of them using this tool, we would expect -- as with any new users -- to see a few mistakes and/or students that simply didn't follow instructions. If there are extensive problems with a particular class or group of students, that's a perfect scenario for pinging Ian or Shalor. In this case, Ian will be following up with these students to make sure they understand WP:RS before making major contributions to mainspace.
One thing from our previous conversation about this was a possible tweak to the wording reminding students that they should click "next" if they don't feel confident about sourcing a particular claim. Sorry to say, I did not do a good job of following up on that on our end. I talked with my colleague, Cassidy (Wiki Ed), about it this afternoon. She will be coordinating some revisions to the timeline, where students encounter the tool, in the future, and added a note to discuss this during that process. It's something worth talking about, certainly, and to do some additional research to make sure it's something that might be tripping up students (we try to take great care in making changes to the Dashboard timeline, only adding text when necessary, since it affects thousands of people and we've found concision to be extremely important in communicating with students).
Curious as to your thoughts on the above. Apologies for dropping the thread last time around. Also pinging Doug Weller, Primefac, and Astinson (WMF), who commented in the previous thread. --Ryan (Wiki Ed) (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ryan (Wiki Ed): Thanks for your comments. I don't really know how to measure WikiEd students' citation ability in this task versus average new users because I don't have a good sample for the latter. I admittedly have a very unusual watchlist as a lot of pages are only on there because I've found long-lasting vandalism on them, but I don't encounter many new users trying to add citations, except sometimes in medical articles. The only groups of new users who regularly do this outside of that area in my experience are 1lib1reffers ((who usually do a reasonable job), spammers, and Education Program students. But then, one of my very first edits was more or less adding a citation (a reasonable way to do that by the standards of early 2005) ... go figure. But the main difference between that edit and some of those performed by the Education Program students is that I knew a lot about the subject whereas some of them are editing way outside their field of study.
One common theme in a lot of edits by the Education Program students is their use of Wikipedia mirrors and sites that copy from them. Sometimes, as seen in the first edit I linked above, they seem adamant that Wikipedia plagiarised from those sites, not the other way around ... which is a thought process I don't recall finding in average new users.
Good to hear about the progress re changes to the timeline. It would probably go some way to stopping these sorts of edits. Wikipedia mirrors might be worth mentioning too, if possible. Graham87 04:33, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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