Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard

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This is a message board for coordinating and discussing bot-related issues on Wikipedia (also including other programs interacting with the MediaWiki software). Although its target audience is bot owners, any user is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here. This is not the place for requests for bot approvals or requesting that tasks be done by a bot. It is also not the place for general questions about the MediaWiki software (such as the use of templates, etc.), which have generally a best chance of being answered at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).

Checklinks

Is broken.

  • 73 added, 16 in error.
  • 36 added, 18 in error
  • 6 added, 4 in error.
  • 56 added, 56 in error.
  • 14 added, 9 in error.
  • 15 added, 11 in error.
  • 147 added, 147 in error

It was reported a month ago and also (in the wrong place) here. -- GreenC 20:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

So, at this point Checklinks is causing more harm then benefit to the project with 50% or more error rate of every change it makes. It's a significant burden on my time to clean these edits up. Any help would be appreciated. Either in repairing the damage, or shutting it down until it can be fixed. There's also a bot war situation going on (see edits above). -- GreenC 04:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
@Green Cardamom: I only had a few mins to look this morning, but these edits appear to be getting made by editors - not bots; is there a bot that is making bad edits here? — xaosflux Talk 12:05, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Well it's a Tool .. machine-generated diffs. Theoretically users are supposed to check before saving, but evidently not. Do tools fall under the same guidelines as bots? If not, what guidelines do Tools use? -- GreenC 15:09, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
All edits are the responsibility of the one who makes them, regardless of the tool. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
I think the point is the tool is no longer reliable and the people using it are blindly trusting it.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 16:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
This is even understandable, to verify external links takes a lot of time effort, the very reason they are using the tool to save that effort. -- GreenC 16:03, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • If it is really causing that much damage, and given editors don't seem to check their edits much with an automated tool, what can go wrong?, the needs to be shut down, or significantly updated to today's standards.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:58, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Dispenser. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

When I spoke with Dispenser on IRC a few months ago he said he has doesn't have the time to fix the tool. Since then he has not responded to error reports on his talk page (see links above) and I doubt will respond here. At the same time, we have a new tool that does the same thing (and more) so it would be no loss to the community if the tool were retired. -- GreenC 23:51, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
@Green Cardamom: what do you propose we DO? This external tool is not a bot or used by bots - if you want something like an edit filter that blocks Checklinks edits, it is going to need a bigger venue then WP:BOWN. — xaosflux Talk 03:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I for one wouldn't mind an edit filter to do that. Actually, it's much simpler. The OAuth consumer can be disabled. The tool will not function without OAuth.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 08:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Get a discussion open at User talk:Dispenser/Checklinks and advertise it to VP - will need community baking to get stewards to shut down someones consumer. — xaosflux Talk 11:19, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Suggestion: I will try to get ahold of Dispenser via IRC today. If that doesn't work leave a message of intended action on his talk page. If that doesn't work start an RfC to disable the tool. If after 30 days there is consensus, and Dispenser doesn't comply, start the process to disable the consumer which actually would disable all his tools I think. Not the intention but only way it sounds like. Hopefully won't go that far. -- GreenC 14:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Dispenser has disabled the "save page" portion of Checklinks on enwiki until he can update the code. -- GreenC 18:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Identifying cosmetic fixes at Checkwiki

There is currently an effort to identify which WP:CWERRORS should be considered cosmetic/which aren't. Help and feedback would be appreciated. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:57, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

RFC on the proposed updated policy on cosmetic edits done by bots

In case you haven't noticed, there is currently an RFC on the proposed update on our WP:COSMETICBOT policy. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikimania 2017

If you're making a bot-related presentation at Wikimania 2017 in Montreal, advertise it here!

I'll be making at least two, assuming they are accepted, one on Article Alerts, the other on Journals Cited by Wikipedia (and possibly a third one on bots in general). If you are interested in attending, please sign up! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, April 2017

Bots Newsletter, April 2017
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Greetings!

The BAG Newsletter is now the Bots Newsletter, per discussion. As such, we've subscribed all bot operators to the newsletter. You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

Highlights for this newsletter include:

Arbcom

Magioladitis ARBCOM case has closed. The remedies of the case include:

  • Community encouraged to review common fixes
  • Community encouraged to review policy on cosmetic edits
  • Developers encouraged to improve AWB interface
  • Bot approvals group encouraged to carefully review BRFA scope
  • Reminders/Restrictions specific to Magioladitis
BRFAs

We currently have 27 open bot requests at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval, and could use your help processing!

Discussions

There are multiple ongoing discussions surrounding bot-related matters. In particular:

New things

Several new things are around:

Wikimania

Wikimania 2017 is happening in Montreal, during 9–13 August. If you plan to attend, or give a talk, let us know!

Thank you! edited by:Headbomb 11:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


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Wikibits.js being removed on 25 April 2017

Some old Javascript, some of which has been deprecated for more than five years, is being removed later this month. Some old scripts may need to be updated. If you think that this might be relevant to your code, then please see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2017-April/001574.html for more details (including links that show how to fix most of the code). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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