Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment

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Requests for clarification and amendment

Amendment request: Civility in infobox discussions

The amendment request is declined. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Initiated by El cid, el campeador at 00:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Case or decision affected
Civility in infobox discussions arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)
Clauses to which an amendment is requested
  1. You must not start an infobox discussion here


List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&oldid=846057026
Information about amendment request
  • You must not start an infobox discussion here
  • Delete


Statement by El cid, el campeador

Currently, there is a discretionary sanctions notice on the Stanley Kubrick talk page, alerting users not to add an infobox. That, I understand. But, there is also a notice to not discuss infoboxes on the talk page. To me, this goes against everything that WP is built upon, namely robust discussion and consensus-building. The intended purpose of talk pages is to discuss ways to improve the articles. Issuing a gag order on discussion doesn't seem right. Therefore, I propose removing that part of the DS notice.

Statement by Bishonen

The reason I added the sanction at all was mainly the disruption on the talkpage, with new discussions and "straw polls" erupting again and again, draining the energy of everybody who felt constrained to weigh in yet again in order to have their opinion counted. See my full rationale, and support from uninvolved admins, including two arbitrators, in this AE discussion. Bishonen | talk 06:38, 16 June 2018 (UTC).

Statement by Winged Blades of Godric

Just no.WP seems to have a quite-proficient cottage-industry (esp. in this area) wherein there's a tendency to throw the same shit at the same wall, until some of it sticks.Any measure to counteract such activities ought be appreciated.And, time has shown that the infobox discussion(s) over the particular page are nothing but acrimonious and only lead to a hostile atmosphere, with zero development to the content.

Statement by Johnuniq

An edit war is easily handled with protection or blocks. It is the talk talk talk that corrodes the community. The wiki way would be to brawl for another three months, but discretionary sanctions are provided to prevent such unproductive fights. No RfC has found that infoboxes are required so there is no reason to worry that people won't be able to argue until 10 September 2018 when the discretionary sanctions expire. Johnuniq (talk) 03:11, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Statement by GoodDay

We can wait until September 2018. In the meantime, our planet will continue to rotate. GoodDay (talk) 11:44, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Statement by SMcCandlish

It's pretty common for a community consensus to come up with a moratorium on re-re-re-discussing that which was just discussed to death again at the same page. It appears to be within WP:AC/DS parameters for an admin to apply a similar anti-disruption remedy as a discretionary sanction, especially since it's not targeted at anyone in particular, but just puts up a temporary forcefield around two combatant sides so the rest of the peeps are not caught in the continual crossfire and can get on with the real work.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  14:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Statement by {other-editor}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information.

Civility in infobox discussions: Clerk notes

This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).

Civility in infobox discussions: Arbitrator views and discussion

  • Considering the full support at Arbitration Enforcement and the 8-2 consensus on the talkpage... I'm not seeing any good reason to modify this. I also don't see an appeal made to AE, not that one is required. If a view can be presenting that this is actually harmful to Wikipedia's goals, then we can look at it. If we want to talk about the five pillars and how the fourth is to discuss issues, the community has fought that out already way too often and is why the Arbitration case exists to begin with. If we move on to the fifth pillar, it notes Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. So I see this as a very valid interpretation of the pillars and principles of Wikipedia. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 04:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Consensus building isn't happening, so the discussions are endless. I have no problem with this discretionary sanction in this instance, it's clearly defined and does not stop any other discussion on the talk page. It can be appealed in the future, but absolutely, this is the right solution for this article now and I thank the admins (especially Bishonen) for using discretionary sanctions well. WormTT(talk) 06:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Absolutely agree with the above. The talk page was being inundated with constant RfCs and discussions re-hashing the infobox issue for that article, wasting our most precious resources: the time and patience of editors. In the absence of a strong indication that the disruption won't flare right up again, I can't see a reason to remove this restriction. ♠PMC(talk) 07:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • For the above reasons, no. Doug Weller talk 09:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Definitely no, for reasons already stated. Alex Shih (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Decline as within administrator discretion. ~ Rob13Talk 20:56, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Decline. -- Euryalus (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree that this request should be closed without action. The wiki way allows open discussion, but that doesn't mean that every issue must be under continuous discussion every day. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Decline. It's been said enough. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Decline. Mkdw talk 19:58, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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