Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment

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Requests for clarification and amendment

Amendment request: Doncram

Initiated by SarekOfVulcan at 16:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Case or decision affected
Doncram arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)
Clauses to which an amendment is requested
  1. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Doncram#SarekOfVulcan–Doncram interaction ban
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Information about amendment request
  • Request to lift the ban

Statement by SarekOfVulcan

I just avoided agreeing with Doncram in an AfD because of the IBAN. It's been in place for almost 5 years, we've done a good job avoiding each other, and I'd like to not have this hanging over our heads any more. (Previous request here)

Mendaliv, I would find that an acceptable alternative. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
BU Rob13, it was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Webb Mountain Park. I noticed that C. W. Gilmore had edited it, and I wondered what was up. For the most part, I haven't come across Doncram's edits at all. While I still have a strong interest in historic buildings, he doesn't typically edit the ones I'm looking at.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 11:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Doncram

Why the request? They are not explaining. I am in fact a victim of long-term harassment by this editor, and I resent being dragged back into any discussion about it at all. I certainly don't need or want the editor's help in AFDs, one of two areas in which I participate frequently. I probably would avoid any AFD where they had commented, and in 5 years I recall coming across such cases only one or two times. For a number of years they followed me to new NRHP articles which I had just started and repeatedly interrupted with partial deletions or opening AFDs or ANI incidents. They opened the arbitration case against me which led to me being blocked from partipating in the NRHP area (and i have only been active there again during the last year or two, after accepting the block), and then they did not themselves participate in the NRHP area for all the years since. I would not welcome their following me to NRHP topics and AFDs in the future. --Doncram (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Statement by Mendaliv

I'm not a fan of indefinite sanctions simply because they create an artificial status quo which often turns permanent. Especially interaction bans. The basic question you wind up asking in these cases is why the requestor wants the IBAN lifted, which inevitably turns into concerns that the requestor intends to interact with the other party in a disruptive way; after all, if the requestor didn't want to interact with the other party, why would he or she make the request? Well, I think that logic needs to go away. It leads to indefinite sanctions becoming permanent, and imposing an additional unnecessary burden on editors when doing basically anything on-wiki. That is, every time you contribute anything from then on out, you have to think, "Could this be seen as an IBAN violation?" I think that's unfair, particularly after a period of years.

That said, I think rather than a straightforward removal, the Committee might do what it did in the November 2016 motion in this same case: Rescind for six months and allow any admin to reinstate during that period, and if the six months lapse without incident, the IBAN lapses entirely. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 01:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Statement by {other-editor}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information.

Doncram: Clerk notes

This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).

Doncram: Arbitrator views and discussion

  • To both editors: Do the two of you still edit in the same topic areas? Do you often come across each others' work? Specifically to SarekOfVulcan, what was the AfD in question and how did you come across it? ~ Rob13Talk 08:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

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