Template talk:WikiProject United States

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To-do lists

There was consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council/Archive 21#Proposal: Disallow transcluded to-do lists that transcluding to-do lists on project banners should be strongly discourages or prohibited. I have removed the to-do lists from this template. If you would like to replace them with a link to the list, then we could work on that. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@MSGJ: It's concerning that neither WP:Lou nor WP:KY (subprojects of WP US) received notices that this was going to be done, and thus our members didn't have a shot at discussing this. Despite the consensus at the council, it is non-binding as an absolute requirement on individual projects. That said, I as a member of these projects don't disagree with the change. However, the current banner sucks at indicating work that needs to be done in the subprojects, and this isn't just about the formerly transcluded todo list. At a minimum, it should at least link to these todo lists or provide a way for subprojects to link to their "Tasks" page or equivalent. The current banner acts like top-level WP US stuff is the only thing of interest. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 20:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

UShistory-importance

The "UShistory-importance=" template does not seem to pass through the template at all and further its use is being ignored for the purposes of Category:United States articles with invalid parameters. Can that be fixed? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ricky81682: The |US-history-importance= parameter (n.b. not template) and its alias |UShistory-importance= were removed from the template with this edit at 14:12, 9 October 2012 (related discussion), but the doc page wasn't updated to suit. I don't think that it should be restored to the template without discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64: It seems kind of strange that this template would go to the US history's one but only to the unknown importance one. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean "only to the unknown importance one"? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:28, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Oklahoma?

Why isn't {{WikiProject Oklahoma}} included in this?Pennsy22 (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Pennsy22: When WP US was formed, an editor went around to individual state and city projects and asked them if they wanted to be included. Those that agreed were added. Those that were inactive and didn't respond were added. Those that objected were not added.
It was decided in September 2011 to not include WikiProjects Oklahoma and Tulsa. See this archived discussion. Members of WP OK appeared to be against joining, so it was dropped. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 15:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, okay then, I guess they won't get added to the talk page link. Thanks for the quick response.Pennsy22 (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding AL, FL, GA, IL, MO, and TN

Does anyone know the history of why these 6 states were excluded from the template? I am doing some work on ecoregions that span multiple states, and it would obviously be much neater in my case to able to tag all the states in using one template, but it seems like it would also apply to other regional projects that span many states. Is there a good central place to start discussions for inclusion to create consensus? Thanks. -Furicorn (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Check through the archives of this page, look for the word "Kumioko". Similarly with the template's edit history. In short: the WikiProject for each individual state needs to give its consent to be included in the main United States template. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
So I've reviewed the various archives regarding "Kumioko", although I didn't review the template's edit history. What do we do in the case that some of these wikiprojects appear to be ghost towns? Is there a rule where if no one responds after X amount of time, a change can be implemented? Also, this is sort of a separate idea that occurred to me, but is there anyway to create templates that automatically add additional templates to a page (in parent-child relationship)? I was thinking about how stub templates work, where they can add parent categories if they are defined as children of a parent category. The fact that this template was so overburdened made me think that perhaps there was a way to devolve some of this functionality into other templates. In my thinking, tagging something with {{WikiProject Chicago}} would automatically add templates of parent projects {{Wikiproject Illinois}} and {{WikiProject United States}} -Furicorn (talk) 18:47, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that's a good idea. Let's consider an article about a street in Chicago - say, Addison Street - this is clearly of interest to WikiProject Chicago. But is it also of interest to WikiProject Illinois? Probably not; they would be more interested in the highways that link the towns and cities. How about WikiProject United States - would they be interested? No, they would possibly be interested in the interstates and freeways, although they may say that these are in the purview of WikiProject U.S. Roads. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Ultimately I guess I'm fine with not moving forward with the templates calling templates idea, although I guess it says something about me that I would say it makes sense to include all those projects, like it or not. That being said, did you give any thought to the other question I had, what to do about getting approvals from semi-inactive projects? -Furicorn (talk) 05:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
@Redrose64: What kind of consensus would we need from semi-active or inactive wikiprojects just to add states to the banner? It seems like at some point, this decision could be made for semi-active or inactive projects after discussion on WP:USA? Or would a project have to be inactive and then merged into the parent project before it is fair to say there is no one participating in the project anymore able to consent one way or another? -Furicorn (talk) 17:44, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't know. You could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@Redrose64: OK, I've started a conversation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Decision-making_Impacting_Inactive_and_Semi-Active_wikiprojects if you are moved to participate. -Furicorn (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
To be honest if anything should happen, it would be spinning out the projects that got merged already back to their own wikiprojects. The sucking of them all in was only ever to inflate Kumioko's edit count by tagging tens of thousands of articles. There was no benefit to any of those projects to be in one super large project with no clear focus compared to more specific projects. -DJSasso (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Montana-denied?

Hey folks, there is no "Montana" or "MT" parameter to add WikiProject Montana inside this template! Can someone fix this? Montanabw(talk) 23:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Montanabw: Not all states have these parameters. There was a user, since banned, who tried to force all 50 (plus DC) into this template; to see what became of the idea, check the history of Template:WikiProject United States and the archives of this talk page. In short: use {{WikiProject Montana}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
I do, but someone else did not, and used this template with a MT parameter, which, of course, didn't work. What's the standard for adding the parameter to the template? I don't want to "force" the project to not use its own WP-Montana template, but is there any reason the MT parameter cannot also be added here? I suspect the case I ran across is not the only one where that paremeter is inserted but not activated...? Montanabw(talk) 18:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
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