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"Queer heterosexuality"

This has nothing to do with trans people. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 21:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I second this, and believe it should be removed from the template. Is there anyone who has a valid reason it should be included on the template, before I remove it?Ariadne (talk) 15:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Gender

I think it would be interesting to make this sidebar a bit more general: it could be renamed to Gender instead of Transgender. To me, it would make sense to put the sidebar on the page Gender, and to include the gender identities woman and man. Intersex is a physical condition, and maybe no-one identifies themselves as such (?), but I think it should be included as well. A lot of (international) Wikipedia visitors who look for information about transgender may not know of the terms gender and intersex, and it's a good thing to invite these people to read about it. Laurier (talk) 09:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

It's possible that a separate list grouping for "Related concepts" would address this issue. Trankuility (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Laurier, since this template is specifically about transgender aspects, I see no need to Rename it to Gender topics and/or broaden its scope. We have Template:Gender and sexual identities and Template:Gender studies for other gender matters; both of those templates are at the bottom of the Gender article. I'm also sure that people are generally familiar with the term gender. Also, regarding this edit you made to the Gender article, which I reverted (followup note here), that concerned a different transgender template: Template:Transgender sidebar. Flyer22 (talk) 22:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I struck part of my post above because I remember that this is the talk page for Template:Transgender sidebar; the talk page name should align with the template name, though. Flyer22 (talk) 22:10, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Okay, well, it was worth a try! ;-) I still think the term gender is not as familiar to a lot of (international) visitors as one might hope, but I know Wikipedia is not a dictionary and not an activist forum. Thank you for replying, though! Laurier (talk) 08:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Add more on social issues

Hi, it would be helpful to add more links to social, political and legal issues, like Transgender people in sports. Maybe the legal section could be expanded? Trankuility (talk) 11:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Do identities besides transgender belong on this template? Is it misnamed?

Thought I should flag that there is a conversation regarding the above questions happening over at Talk:Pangender that really should be happening here instead. --Pfhorrest (talk) 05:23, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Monica Helms flag

Currently the Monica Helms flag is being presented in this template as a symbol of trans issues. I think the flag is problematic for a few reasons -

  • Controversy around individualism of the artist
  • close association between the artist and the flag, when we could use an image which is not closely related to a particular person
  • the flag is a recently created symbol (~2000, but media records start around 2010) and a more timeless depiction might be chosen
  • it reflects United States culture when a more international symbol would be desireable
an image showing unicode character U+26A7

I do not know what the best symbol is, but there is a unicode symbol for transgender - ⚧ - described at Gender_symbol#Sociology. I propose that we change the United States flag symbol to the more neutral unicode symbol. Thoughts from others? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

What is the specific controversy around Monica Helms? Funcrunch (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Funcrunch I wrote too pointedly. She is only controversial in the sense that she is an artist and activist with her own opinions, so I changed "controversy" to "individualism". She is controversial in the sense that any individual doing bold things without the backing of an established organization is likely to be at odds with others, and the controversy is not any deeper than that. I understand that the artist has debated with others, which is fine, but taking any position with any amount of controversy brings context and baggage into mentions of their name.
I got the idea to post from a trans activist group in NYC who did not want to use that particular flag because they said that the artist has sought to be noted as the originator of the flag and to be named in conversations around its use. I think it is fair to give credit, but Wikipedia is highly influential in this space and credit which Wikipedia grants can have profound value. I hesitate to recognize an individual mostly acting alone as someone who needs to be remembered for all trans activism worldwide in all circumstances perpetually when this symbol is so new. If Wikipedia presents the symbol broadly in this template where trans issues are discussed, then that seems like an editorial choice to me and to wield more influence in favor of one person than I am sure it is right for Wikipedia editors to grant. I would prefer a symbol that has most of its meaning in concept behind the symbol, and I worry that too much of the flag is tied to the artist who wished to be named as the originator. Thoughts?
Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Do you have a link to Helms stating that she wishes to be credited for use of this flag, etc.? I don't doubt what you or the folks in NYC are saying, I just would like to see more context. Funcrunch (talk) 23:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Since the Monica Helms flag is the established symbol, shouldn't it stay? Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 00:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Related section

I propose a "Related" section for links to areas that are not transgender topics, but intersect them. For example, LGBT, Intersex, DSM, minority stress, sexual orientation. It might be a challenge to keep the list under control, but this seems to have worked out ok with Template:Intersex. Related links help to recognize intersectionalities and may also help users distinguish issues and find information. Trankuility (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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