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Should stats be updated after every appearance?

I just wanted to get to clarification / consensus on when the stats in the infobox should be updated. I have quite a few articles on my watchlist, and I have noticed that some people, mainly IP users, are updating the statistics in the infobox when that player / coach has a game. It was my understanding that because the Infobox has a field for the last update date, that it should only be updated periodically, and the last update date changed when it is. I have no reason to suspect that the data is incorrect (so doesn't need reverting for that reason), but because the last update date is not being changed in these edits someone could mistake them having higher statistics. Should the last update date be changed every time an IP makes an update, or should the stats be reverted to the last version which was source-checked? --Reader781 (talk) 23:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

The "as of" updated field should be filled to show when the statistics are correct to. Both statistics and the updated field should only be filled at the conclusion of the match, as we are all aware that tries, goals and one pointers can happen at any time during the fixture, and that a player named as an interchange might not make an appearance off the bench.Fleets (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Extra fields needed

Would someone be able to add some extra fields to the coaching section of the template? It currently shows a maximum of ten different teams, but the late Maurice Bamford coached at more than that so there's a few clubs which don't show in the infobox. J Mo 101 (talk) 08:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not going to say no, since it's a reasonable request (though I won't do it right now), but I have a related question - he coached Leeds on two different occasions and Bramley on three, should we not just combine each one into a single |coachteamX= parameter? It might be needed if we can't break up stats (e.g. on RL Project they just give the stats per-team). Primefac (talk) 15:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't really like using RLP for pre-Super League stats because it's so incomplete, but it's not too difficult to work out the stats for each coaching spell by viewing the individual match log here. I'm not sure if other editors do it differently, but I think listing the coaching history in chronological order is preferable, if possible. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I guess that was what I was wondering - if people would prefer to have things chronologically or by team. I suppose pure chronological would be the easiest to read. Primefac (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
This is  Done by the way. Primefac (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Could this also be done for international teams as unless I'm being thick Wayne Bennett will not have his GB stats on the infobox unless there is a change to allow it.Fleets (talk) 08:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
At the moment he only has 8 teams, is his IB missing 3 internationals? Primefac (talk) 10:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
GB would be the 9th team in his "Representative" section.Fleets (talk) 20:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Okay. There's support for 10 teams in the template, and I've expanded the /COACH template to handle 15, but I won't expand the template itself until it gets to be necessary. Primefac (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

NRL games

A user keeps "updating stats" on many NRL players that are a few games different from their actual NRL tallies, without explanation of where the extra numbers come from. IMO, this parameter should be for NRL games only.. Cameron Smith plays his 400th, but when someone checks his Wikipedia page, it says 403. Confusing, as evidenced by it being fixed over and over, only for the slightly off numbers to be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.71.154 (talk) 12:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

The infobox is for Challenge Cup, World Cup, Regal Trophy, SOO, Tri-Nations, Super League, Challenge Cup, WCC, etc. There is more to the infobox than the NRL.Fleets (talk)
Where is this change documented? Surely you didn't just decide this for yourself? And why only some players e.g. Darren Lockyer's has the expected 355 games, whilst Hazem El Masri who should be 317, had his changed to 324. And Terry Lamb is 350, but would have played a number of pre-season and mid-week games.. are these counted? And how do you tell?. Again, IMO, should go back to NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL games only, as this is what a reader would expect.
Origin games are often played during midweek, and wouldn't know what Challenge Cup, World Cup, Regal Trophy, SOO, Tri-Nations, Super League, Challenge Cup, WCC, etc games Terry Lamb had played, but a reader would expect to have their top level career detailed in the infobox, not just home games, non-representative fixtures only or Saturday afternoons only.Fleets (talk) 07:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
With Cameron Smith there are, as of writing, 402 NRL matches plus 3 World Club Challenges: [1]. Nothing in the infobox says that it's only counting NRL matches for Melbourne. It seems logical to count all competitive fixtures for a club, which would include World Club Challenges and Challenge Cups. That's what the soccer wikiproject does: appearances include FA Cups and the like but not pre-season friendlies. Pre-season matches should not count; competitive mid-week cup matches from back in the day probably should. Does anyone have the Collis & Whitaker almanac and know how they approach it? --Mkativerata (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
RLP is the only place that lumps together different Australian competitions (but excludes others e.g. the mid-week and pre-season comps) in that way. So it won't be found elsewhere, won't be expected, and of course what should be the definitive source has Smith on 403 games [2], not 406. If miscellaneous other games are to be noted, why not create another parameter? Also, as pointed out before, this is recent change, the bulk of infoboxes will still be just be first grade NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL games.
I wouldn't object to that. I don't really mind either way, as long as we're consistent, including as between NRL and Super League (ie we should count the Challenge Cup). --Mkativerata (talk) 00:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Thursday evening NRL games and midweek SOO games definitely belong in the infobox. The infobox is for the English speaking world; Australia is part of the world, it is the not the rugby league world. We can't have one rule for the rest of the world, and then one for two states inside a country. Recognised games featuring top sides belong in the infobox; ie SOO, NRL, Challenge Cup, Regal Trophy, European Super League, WCC, NSWRL, old NZRL comp, etc. A new parameter as a delimiter for domestic games held only within NSW or Queensland would still sit within the body text, as they do currently for statistics to demarcate them from all of their top level career games.Fleets (talk) 07:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
There is no debate about midweek NRL matches - they definitely count - the question is what to do about the old Amco Cup.—Mkativerata (talk) 07:55, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
The AMCO Cup was a recognised top tier trophy. In the UK there was the Challenge Cup and the midweek floodlit games. Both of those cup competitions are included in the UK history books, and they count for the players regardless of whether they are English, Australian, New Zealander or wherever. A pre-season game such as the Vince Karalius Cup, or the Charity Shield in Australia is not included in the statistics as they are pre-season friendlies and are not recognised as official first team statistics.Fleets (talk) 08:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
You won't find Amco/Tooth Cup and the various pre-season cups recognised within NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL stats either, and if it weren't for RLP, no WCC as well. Anyway, I've said my piece, you can include whatever games you decide are first grade, but I'm telling you, that's not the convention in Australian rugby league.

"New" parameter and "Australian Schoolboys" category

I'm proposing that we remove the |new= parameter from this template. There is no documentation about what it should be used for, either in the template or in the two related cats; in addition, I found most of the articles in the "updated" category had |new=yes from the very first time the IB was placed. It's clearly not serving whatever purpose it was originally intended for (which appears to be indicating that the template "isn't complete"?).

I also believe that it's time to remove the Australian Schoolboys tracking cat, since from what I gather in previous discussions this was used to remove AS usage (which it seems to have done). Primefac (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Error tracking

|nickname= was removed in Jan 2018 but usage not in Category:Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters. Frietjes ? MB 15:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Update, there are hundreds with nickname in the tracking cat. But this was one I saw that wasn't. MB 16:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
not sure why it wasn't there. I just regenerated the list of parameters in the tracking and that one wasn't added or subtracted. Frietjes (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Frietjes, It still looks like something is not working. I removed |nickname= from David_Fifita_(rugby_league,_born_1989), so it shouldn't be in the category anymore. But if you go back before my edit, on the preview I see the message saying "nickname" is an unknown para but it isn't in the cat either. This was not the only one; I found them as I was fixing thumbnail images. MB 21:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
MB seems to be working for me. there are nearly 1000 entries in Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters so it's easy to find one using nickname, like Aaron McCloskey, which is in the tracking category. Frietjes (talk) 12:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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