Talk:The Plot to Hack America

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Full info to the cites

Regarding [1] and [2], GA Reviewers have asked me to add the full info to the cites for other GA Reviews.

I'd rather keep as much cite info as possible to make it easier for WP:Verifiability for future editors and readers. Sagecandor (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I'd really rather have this [3] undone, please. This makes it seem like the e-books were only Amazon books, but they were generic e-books. The Amazon links are just extra info, not the whole thing. Sagecandor (talk) 21:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Question: Is it alright to give the full citation info for the book's publications, instead of simply links to Amazon.com ? Sagecandor (talk) 21:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

V-ability is satisfied when the readers/editors click on the template links. Not repeating the info makes for a cleaner section of references. – S. Rich (talk) 21:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
The template links may break and become dead links. Full citations to books will not. Sagecandor (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
The book is already cited both in the infobox and text. While url links break, WorldCat and ISBN links are stable. Also, note that oclc and asin links can be added to {{cite book}} – S. Rich (talk) 21:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Disagree as this was specifically requested in a different GA Review. I'll just defer to the GA Reviewer later, thanks. Sagecandor (talk) 21:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Categories and templates are directly relevant

Disagree with this removal of categories and templates with edit summary of: "Written before Trump election".

Are we to remove similar categories from all pages at Bibliography of Donald Trump ?

Sagecandor (talk) 18:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Removed, again, by IP user at No, it's not. IP user gives no explanation on talk page why it's not directly relevant. Sagecandor (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
And again with, uh no. Sagecandor (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
User was blocked by admin Widr for disruptive editing [4]. Sagecandor (talk) 01:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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Admins: Please compare the two. Thank you ! Sagecandor (talk) 01:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
IP user was rangeblocked: [5] [6]. Sagecandor (talk) 14:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Addition of Trump categoris unwarranted

The cats were just added. This book is about Russia, Wikileaks and Putin's dislike for Clinton. It was written before the election and it's not about Trump. --2600:387:4:803:0:0:0:84 (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

There's an entire chapter on Trump. Trump is also on the cover of the book ! Sagecandor (talk) 18:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
User was blocked by admin Widr for disruptive editing [7]. Sagecandor (talk) 19:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
IP user was rangeblocked: [8] [9]. Sagecandor (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject and GA eval

As I have modified the content of the article, I am reluctant to undertake a GAR on it. However, if I were to do so at this stage I would do an immediate fail. Rationale: article is unstable and not that well written. In fact, the B class rating is unwarranted at this time. – S. Rich (talk) 04:06, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

User appears to display transparent agenda, lamenting efforts to improve articles on Wikipedia that might have some criticism of Donald Trump. See case studies: [10] [11] [12]. Sagecandor (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

strange phrasing

Didn't know what to make of this...

Nance describes how, in March 2016, Democratic National Committee (DNC) servers were hacked by culprits seeking opposition research on Donald Trump.

Does anyone see this as a correct summary? On him? I thought oppo research was meant to harm people. Wasn't the harm from the leak done to democrats?

Was this possibly intended as "for Donald Trump"?

He wasn't presumptive nominee until May 4 or official until July 19 so I'm a bit confused why a hack in March could be seen as for the benefit of a candidate who hadn't won the Republican primaries yet. ScratchMarshall (talk) 09:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

@ScratchMarshall:It was to find IFF the DNC had opposition research on Trump. Preemptively. To see what damage might be done in the future, and prepare against it, in advance, before it happened. Get it? Sagecandor (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Ah, it would be valuable to explain this in the article then.

How did author know this was motive of the March hack? Was Trump even leading at that point? ScratchMarshall (talk) 21:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

This is not a discussion forum page. This is a page to discuss improving the Wikipedia article about the book. This section under discussion is a contents summary of the book itself. No more, no less. Sagecandor (talk) 21:30, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Further reading entries

Noting that 3 (of 6) entries are for books with WP articles, the best place for them is a simple title listing in the See also section. For the remaining 3, they are dated starting in 1984. Thus they are problematic as WP:REFSPAM. – S. Rich (talk) 22:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Removed all three. DIFF. Sagecandor (talk) 02:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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