Talk:Microsoft Windows

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Former good article Microsoft Windows was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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April 3, 2006 Good article nominee Listed
August 4, 2007 Good article reassessment Delisted
May 19, 2008 Peer review Reviewed
Current status: Delisted good article


Interesting article. I just hope you are being careful when you try to provide people with information not regarding the product. Perhaps maybe something out there like a Microsoft 'Windows' tagline does exist, sure can coming from internet explorer when readily viewing 'Windows' versus 'Linux' downloads from "download" buttons. Persons of interest using this operating system is what is being referred to, not people using a different operating system thinking they know ANYTHING about Windows and how things are done using it. I have Windows 10 Pro, and for what I consider to be an honest look, take a closer look at what is being described in this article and try to come up with a helping hand in favor of a more concerned issue that relates to Microsoft. Anyone else reading this , I hope you understand. As for what this website asks for in relation to what people are actually presented with, please stay on topic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:171:3C50:DC54:D96A:ACDF:9615 (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


is not an English word and should not be used in the lead sentence of this article to describe the topic. See wiktionary:metafamily, or really, any dictionary. The word just isn't there. Imagine a 10-year-old, or a non-English speaker, or anyone with little familiarity with computing topics trying to parse the first sentence of this article. The word "metafamily" is undefined, which that will confuse someone who's just trying to get their head wrapped around the topic. (No, it is not the plural of family -- that word is "families".)

Let's put this another way: If I were to slap a "citation needed" on the term -- and that's exactly what I'm doing next if anyone dares to put that word back in this article -- nobody would be able to resolve it with a reference to a source using that term. That's a fact. I've looked already.

Let's put this another way: Family is in fact the grammatically suitable word, since the term "family" is defined in Wiktionary as "Any group or aggregation of things classed together as kindred or related from possessing in common characteristics which distinguish them from other things of the same order", and at as "a group of products or product models made by the same manufacturer or producer". Both of these are accurate descriptions of what Microsoft Windows is. Saying something like "several families" is better, but it's still not appropriate because that would imply that the families are not related to eachother. Warren -talk- 02:34, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It is a known school-taught fact that English language (or any language) is capable of breeding new words using predefined rules, and educated people can understand them. These words don't appear in dictionaries for a very long time. Example: Subfolder, subnoticedboard, coaxiality, superdialect, tag-minded, ultra-subpar. And word that you used and doesn't appear in any dictionary: "non-English".
In this case, both "meta-" and "family" are defined in the dictionary.
As for the fallacies in your comment:
  • A non-English speaker neither understands "family" nor "metafamily"; for him or her, it is meaningless gibberish.
  • You underestimate 10-year-olds; but it is true that they have a long way to grasp all intricacies of the English language. They don't understand Shakespear or Milton's works either. They encounter this word, ask their mom, dad, legal guardian or teacher, and learn it. It is part of the learning process and must not be avoided.
  • We Wikipedians are expected to read an article and summarize it in the lead, and summarize the plotlines of books, film or plays into "Plot" sections. In such cases we are not strictly obliged to provide a direct citation, because the citation is implied. (But of course, some people do so for very controversial parts.) If you slap a {{Citation needed}}, I will revert on the grounds that {{Citation needed lead}} is what must be used in the lead section. And if insert the latter, well, I will let stay, but you would be subject to ridicule because the body does demonstrate that Windows consists of several families. In fact, the terms "families" and "geneology" are used.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 07:01, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey, guys. Just thought I drop by and say hi. Otherwise I have no interest in this discussion. So, if you want to call a WP:3O, go ahead. Don't mind me. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 12:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I have offered a compromise. —Codename Lisa (talk) 12:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Ah, you see what I did? My mere presence is like light. It brings about calm and knowledge with it, to a dark and gloomy world full of fear and hostility arising from it.
LOL. Good thing neither of you two are admins, or else, one day, I'd have realized that my username is changed to FleetArrogance or ArroganceCommand. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 18:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
The change is an improvement, but it is rather odd that you felt it worth your time to protect the term "metafamily" and refuse to settle with "family" here, while also having spent the last five-plus years watching {{Microsoft Windows family}} without ever proposing to change the name or title of that template. Haven't seen you proposing a similar change at Macintosh or Unix either.
Also, FleetCommand? I'm surprised to hear you say you don't care about this, given that you're the one who added "metafamily" in the first place in response to Codename Lisa wanting to call it a "superfamily". Warren -talk- 05:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Warren
That template name is just the tip of the iceberg of all the templates names that I wish were different but I don't touch. The principle of Template Editors is: If a template's problem is not causing World War III, don't touch it. For example, {{Media player (application software)}} is just another instance.
Also, I need a second opinion: Everyday, I go to a dozen of discussions that I don't care about and announce not caring about them. I was thinking maybe, I should take someone with me today. What do you think about taking Mr. Bringer of Light? I mean after all, his mere presence brings about calm and knowledge to a dark and gloomy world full of fear and hostility arising from it."
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 05:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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