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"Not to be confused with Golden Shield Project."

I don't understand the meaning of this hatnote:

According to Golden Shield Project, these terms do in fact refer to the same thing. If the intent is to indicate that we have separate articles for the term "Great Firewall" and for the Great Firewall itself, it would be better to write something like:

(or, better wording to that effect).

RuakhTALK 19:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Golden Shield Project includes many sub-projects (e.g. security management information system, exit and entry administration information system, etc), and GFW is just only one of its sub-projects. -- Yejianfei (talk) 08:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


I think this article is questionable. It uses words like "suspicion" and "purportedly". All of its sources seem at least 10 years old.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that this article is about a form of censorship. Those who are censored are less able to find sources, those who are not are less motivated to find sources. It's the purpose of censorship, isn't it. :) --Ahyangyi (talk) 14:02, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Here's an archive of selected research papers in the field of Internet censorship: A few of them are about the Great Firewall. It could be useful as a resource to bring this article up to date. The archive's maintainer has said that "at this point, [researchers] have a pretty good understanding" of what the GFW blocks, how the GFW blocks what it blocks, and where the GFW is topologically.[1] --Dodi 8238 (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
This needs more exploration and explanation. When I was in China in 2012, I was able to find information (in English) on the Dalai Lama, including from Wikipedia.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:16, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
No one had and can do a public scientific survey to show when and which sites can be reached in PRC. Only personal experiences reported repeatedly, typically: (1) Uncensored web 2.0 and search engines cannot be reached, like Google Search, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter (2) Wifi hotspot from global branding hotel is more likely not being filtered.--05:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)
So what is the basis of all these accusations? Political opinion? Xenophobia? Fantasy?--Jack Upland (talk) 08:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
There seem to be major problems with this article. It's simply not factually accurate. Anyone who visits China can refute a lot of the claims made. Secondly, a lot of the key sources are about 10 years old. If they were accurate, they refer to a situation long past and need updating. Thirdly, a lot of the claims don't have citations or have citations that don't actually support them. Fourthly, and related to what I've said, the tone is simply not neutral. It is accusatory, rather than factual.--Jack Upland (talk) 11:13, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Unclear Language

This article currently contains the phrase, "Given the gaps in , the central government of China relies heavily on its administrative body, the State Council, to determine what falls under the definitions... " I'm not 100% sure what was intended to come before that comma, but something seems to be missing.

Trade protection

User:Should use email you need to explain your objection to trade protectionism, which is sourced content. Jytdog (talk) 00:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

User:Jytdog, the explanation of the removal was provided in the revision history[1]: "remove description of GFW as trade protectionism since it introduces a bigger topic and related issues. Just keep the facts about the creation of China's internet giants."

The previous version of the statement was: Opponents would describe this as a form of trade protectionism, whereas proponents would assert that this is part of "Internet sovereignty".[2][3][4]

But now I see that the "internet sovereignty" concept was moved to the "Origins of Chinese Internet law" section. So, as long as both concepts "trade protectionism" and "internet sovereignty" are included in the article, I'm ok with it.

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