Talk:400-series highways

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Templated table

Number Length (km) Length (mi) Southern or western terminus Northern or eastern terminus Local names Formed Removed Notes
Highway 400 226 140 Maple Leaf Drive in Toronto
(continues as Black Creek Drive)
Highway 69 in Carling Toronto–Barrie Highway 01952-07-011952 current Scheduled for extension to Sudbury by 2021[1]
Highway 401 817.9 508.2 Ojibway Parkway in Windsor A-20 towards Montreal, QC Macdonald–Cartier Freeway, Rt. Hon. Herb Gray Parkway, Highway of Heroes 01952-07-011952 current Backbone of the 400-series network; busiest highway in the world
Highway 402 102.5 63.7 I-69 / I-94 at Canada–United States border on Blue Water Bridge in Point Edward Highway 401 – London 01953-01-011953 current
Highway 403 125.2 77.8 Highway 401 near Woodstock Highway 401 / Highway 410 in Mississauga Chedoke Expressway 01963-12-011963[2] current
Highway 404 50.1 31.1 Highway 401 / DVPToronto Woodbine AvenueEast Gwillimbury 01977-01-011977 current
Highway 405 8.7 5.4 Queen Elizabeth Way – St. Catharines I-190 near Lewiston, NY General Brock Parkway 01963-09-111963[2] current
Highway 406 26.0 16.2 East Main Street in Welland Queen Elizabeth Way in St. Catharines 01965-12-071965[3] current
Highway 407 107.3 66.7 Highway 403 / Queen Elizabeth Way – Burlington Highway 7 – Pickering 01997-06-071997[4] current [5]
Highway 409 5.6 3.5 Pearson Airport Highway 401 – Toronto Belfield Expessway 01978-08-251978 current
Highway 410 20.3 12.6 Highway 401 / Highway 403 – Mississauga Highway 10 (Hurontario Street) – Caledon 01978-11-151978[6] current
Highway 412 10 6 Highway 401Toronto, Whitby Highway 407 West Durham Link 02015-02-062015 current
Highway 416 76.4 47.5 Highway 401 to Kingston Highway 417 to Ottawa Veterans Memorial Highway 01999-09-231999[7] current
Highway 417 187.0 116.2 Highway 17 – Arnprior A-40 (TCH) towards Montreal, QC Queensway (within Ottawa) 01971-01-011971 current [8]
Highway 418 Highway 401Toronto, Oshawa Highway 407 East Durham Link 02015-02-062015 current
Highway 420 3.3 2.1 Regional Road 98 (Montrose Road) Rainbow Bridge to United States Niagara Veterans Memorial Highway 01941-11-011941 current
Highway 427 19.9 12.4 Queen Elizabeth Way/Gardiner ExpresswayToronto Regional Road 7 – Vaughan 01971-12-041971[9] current
Queen Elizabeth Way 139.1 86.4 Peace Bridge – Buffalo, NY, USA Highway 427 – Toronto 01931-01-011931 current

Here's the table lightly revised to follow the same format that USRD has started to use successfully for FLs. A few notes:

  1. The only markers (shields) visible are for the subject of each row, placing the visual emphasis there.
  2. The table sorts by full dates but only displays the year for consistency. Each date can be individually cited as well.
  3. The table also properly handles row headers per MOS:DTT without any additional effort. Should the MOS guidance change in the future, we can update the templates and many articles will reap the new benefits right away.

Imzadi 1979  23:18, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to implement this, but I feel it makes the shields almost unreadable (since they are much taller than wide), except the 407 crest, which is massive! The other minor issue is the display of Queen Elizabeth Way as QEW. Minor stuff but would undoubtedly raise issues. - Floydian τ ¢ 16:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

There are some major errors in the chart, not to mention major inconsistencies. The terminuses were inconsistent. Some where towards, some near, some in. The major errors include;

  • Highway 401 terminus - A-20 towards Montreal, QC. It ends towards numerous cities towns. The wording towards is too arbitrary. It ends in Rivière-Beaudette,
  • Highway 402 names interstate, border name, bridge name and town name. Inconsistent with other highway US crossings.
  • Highway 405 does not name bridge and uses near.
  • Highway 409 names airport but not city. (Mississauga)
  • Highway 412 terminus names Toronto but it does not enter City of Toronto, it also doesn't name town of northern terminus
  • Highway 416 terminus states Highway 401 towards Kingston. It also ends at hwy 16 to go east. And why Kingston of all cities? The terminus is Cardinal.
  • HIghway 417 also states towards Montreal. towards is too arbitrary
  • HIghway 418 again terminus names Toronto but it does not enter City of Toronto, it also doesn't name town of northern terminus
  • HIghway 420 does not name town/city at either terminus.

I believe the edits I have done make the article more clear and improve the article. If dashes are a problem please change, but the former version was a bit sloppy, unclear, and not very encyclopedic. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.166.158 (talk) 22:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

@174.91.166.158: Let's let Floydian have a chance to weigh in before overhauling things. For the moment, until discussion reaches some sort of consensus for a change, let's leave things as they were when promoted as a Featured List and follow the tenets of WP:BRD (you were Bold, but then Reverted, so the next step is to Discussion, not restore the proposed change). Imzadi 1979  01:36, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.166.158 (talk) 15:35, 4 June 2016‎ (UTC)
Although I definitely appreciate consistency (and have sought to implement it on all Ontario highway articles since I first started in 2010), there is one issue I have with the changes you made. A hyphen/dash is used to represent "to", and not "in". This is why I generally don't use it, as most 400 highways end in a significant location. Many, however, do not. Others still end in a significant place, but continue further on to other significant places (the border crossings and western end of the 417 spring to mind). I will use the points you've raised to make corrections, as these inconsistencies arose from copying the termini from each article's infobox. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:40, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
When can we expect said changes. I can go article to article and fix them if you'd like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.166.158 (talk) 23:00, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I made some small edits to help the charts consistency. 174.91.166.158 (talk) 23:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

@174.91.166.158: stop changing the template! the correct name for it is {{reflist-talk}}, which is short for "reference list on a talk page". Every time you edit this section and change it to {{realist-talk}}, you break it!
As for your edits, I'm reverting. Let Floydian make them on his schedule. We have no deadline around here. Imzadi 1979  00:36, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Shragge & Bagnato 1984, pp. 89–92.
  2. ^ a b A.A.D.T. Traffic Volumes 1955–1969 And Traffic Collision Data 1967–1969. Ontario Department of Highways. 1970. p. 11. 
  3. ^ A.A.D.T. Traffic Volumes 1955–1969 And Traffic Collision Data 1967–1969. Ontario Department of Highways. 1971. p. 12. 
  4. ^ Mitchell, Bob (June 6, 1997). "At Last — Opening Bell Tolls for the 407". The Toronto Star. pp. A1, A6. 
  5. ^ "Map / Toll Calculator". 407 ETR. February 1, 2014. Retrieved December 17, 2015. 
  6. ^ Public and Safety Information Section (November 9, 1978). "Highway 410 Opens November 15" (Press release). Ministry of Transportation and Communications. 
  7. ^ "Ottawa Highway Link Opens". Ontario. Toronto Star. Canadian Press. September 24, 1999. p. A4. 
  8. ^ Cite error: The named reference gloucester was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. ^ "Highway 27 Interchange Fully in Service". The Globe and Mail. Toronto. December 4, 1971. p. 5. 

Template is incorrect

The articles template is flat out incorrect which is embarrassing on a featured article. I am fixing the article to read correct information, if you have a better fix than please feel free. But reverting an correction to an error with the excuse that someone else owns the article is completely unacceptable and can get you banned from editing if reported. I will report you if you continue to bully editors. 174.91.166.158 (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

The table matches the linked articles' infoboxes. This list summarizes them, so you can't just declare this wrong without also discussing changing them. I don't see anything in here that's incorrect. I do see someone changing lots of things all at once and claiming it's a "small change" in the edit summary. Discuss specifics first, then we can move toward changing things. Imzadi 1979  02:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
@Floydian: do we have some ETA on this? I do agree that it would be nice to get this resolved sooner rather than later. Imzadi 1979  14:47, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Just made some fixes. I've kept "towards" for the 401 and 417, as Montreal is the control city for those two at their eastern end. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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