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Day Pages Template Overhaul

This branch/thread was broken off of the previous starting paragraph. — RossO (talk)

Things are moving along on the daily page layout template as well. See Template:Current events, which would replace Template:Current events header. Still working on your suggestion to show previous-day, next-day, month navigation on the daily page itself while hiding the same when transcluded. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 19:43, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I had a thought. If you're working on a module to do the monthly page, maybe it'd be better to have that module format the daily entries. Then, the daily pages themselves could be more or less just raw text, and easy to maintain. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 20:05, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: The idea that I had is that the individual day pages would be able to link to each other, bypassing the month page entirely. It is a nice to have, but my priority is the mobile-friendly layout, which relies on your table-to-div conversions. I would encourage your efforts (near term) in that direction. — RossO (talk) 21:08, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
@RossO: The tableless replacement {{Current events}} seems to be ready to go, other than the navigation links, if you want to start using it. New version might look nicer than the old version in mobile, based on what I see in the testcases. Meanwhile, I'll keep working on the navigation links in Template:Current events/sandbox. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 18:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
I boldly switched October 1, 2, 3, and 4 to the new template. The before-and-after differences between the September and October entries on the portal page look promising on mobile. I'll keep looking for potential bugs, though. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: I think that this looks great and it produces exactly the kind of output that it needed. I am concerned about the sheer amount of effort that will be required to move all of the day pages to the new format. Is there any way that the code can be restructured to work in the {{Current events header|2017|10|01}} and {{Current events footer}} two tag system? There are literally [5600] pages that will need to be edited to migrate the tags. While that will really boost someone's edit count, I'm thinking that there must be some way to reuse the existing template tags. I'm thinking of this in terms of the next time that some WP editor will think, "We should update these day pages to support all these new VR/AR displays." And they'll have 5600*2 pages to update. The two-tag configuration would seem to be more robust (totally IMHO). — RossO (talk) 23:20, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Probably a good job for a bot, once the dust starts to settle and no serious errors appear. The old and new template parameters are similar enough, that a single regex replacement should do the job. A header and footer two-template system would be okay for stuff at the beginning and end. The fully enclosed template is also able to do that, though — and tweak the inside as well, and wouldn't require synchronized edits to two templates to maintain. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 04:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick:(A) I am hesitant to assign a bot to this as these day pages have been written by hand and there will likely be subtle differences and wide variations that the bot may not handle gracefully. I have NO experience with the Bot process or tooling, so my POV here is cautious ignorance. In your comment on Oct 4, you said it was ready "if you want to start using it." but this Bot would be the way that this conversion would be put into motion, correct? — RossO (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
(B) I like the idea that of the template being able to modify the content of the pages, though I wonder if YAGNI. Do you have a viable use case to suggest? — RossO (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
(A) Caution might be good. I saw some differences in old archives that I didn't notice before. If a bot does it, it should use a strict pattern, even if that means only a portion of the archives gets edited in a run. (B) Already using it! I put in a regex replacement for the ubiquitous ; MOS:PSEUDOHEADs in the content, to improve screen reader output and keyboard navigation. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 07:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick:(B) Interesting use case. I'm glad to see that; it does sound like something useful. In this particular case it makes sense to clean up the ';' usages in the source code at a later date, but until then this improves the display. Rock on. — RossO (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@RossO: I got partway to adding day-to-day navigation; you might be able to adapt Special:Diff/691672020 to the new scheme. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Nice work on that. I just noticed it was from 2015. Things do take while to come around don't they. — RossO (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Synced to Template:Current events/sandbox. Seems to show up only on the single day page correctly. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 07:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: Do you have an example page that shows this in action, or is good to preview this against? I was hoping to see it on Portal:Current events/2017 October 1 but perhaps you've got it visible on a different Sandbox page? — RossO (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@RossO: Got the bugs worked out. It's now live at the bottom of all October 2017 pages. Sorry about the ugly layout, but I was just trying to get the functionality. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 08:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: Nice work. I think it can be smaller, but it's looking good. Does it handle month, year and century changes? — RossO (talk) 17:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
@RossO: Yup, leap years too. {{Extract}} does a great job with date calculations. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 23:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: What are your next steps? (A) I'm hoping that you might add some more testcases so that we can easily see the range of impacts any updates might make to the 5600 day pages. (B) After that, do you want to work on the design? I think you might be able to do something that mirrors the top colored bar, or even integrate the nav links into that top colored bar. (C) Do you have a plan for rolling out the changed markup? Do you have the Bot's code in mind to apply? — RossO (talk) 16:59, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
For now, bug fixing. There's some weird word wrapping going on at mobile screen sizes. As for testcases, I think the current test is sufficient — I've seen no major variations on the day page content sections, aside from newer ones having ; pseudoheads and older ones not. I'll work on the regex for the bot once I've looked through older pages and checked their format, but it shouldn't be hard. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: Have you had any progress on the bot to update the historic day pages to use the new template? I'm looking forward to see the bot in action. — RossO (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
@Matt Fitzpatrick: I wanted to note that the updated daily header is not able to collapse its width below 380px, unlike the rest of the sections which can get down to 300px wide. Could you remove the width:12em from the editlink div (and the white-space:nowrap) to make the headers more responsive? — RossO (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Description of the older archives

All the monthly archives currently begin with the text "This is an archived version of Wikipedia's Current events Portal from <month> <year>". The page Portal:Current events was created in June 2006, so from that month onwards the text is fine. From, I think, January 2002, the content was compiled day by day, as the events unfolded, but on some other page - the logs and history are rather complex, but see the edit summary here. Those archives need a different heading, perhaps "This is an archived version of Wikipedia's coverage of current events from <month> <year>". All the pages before that aren't really archives at all; they were compiled months or years after the events listed in them, and are still being created today. Questions:

  • Have I got the dates right?
Tough call. I haven't done any research into Changelogs to know if the dates are right, and I doubt anyone else here knows without doing the research (which you've obviously started). — RossO (talk)
  • What heading should be shown on the pages from January 2002 [or thereabouts] to May 2006?
I like your "This is an archived version of Wikipedia's coverage…" verbiage. — RossO (talk)
  • What heading should be shown on the pages before January 2002?
Since the other messages are actually disclaimers of the sourcing, perhaps there doesn't need to be a message? I'm not sure the messages even mean much in their own right since they basically say 'These CE pages are compilations of facts gathered by Wikipedia editors..." which is assumed. — RossO (talk)

@RossO and Malmcp85: -- John of Reading (talk) 10:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Answers provided inline. — RossO (talk) 21:45, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Is Sputnik News A Valid Source?

Under the heading Syrian Civil War, there is a link to a story from Sputnik News. Does Wikipedia consider that organization to be a valid news source? (talk) 17:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

An answer may include Russia–United States relations as in Portal:Current_events/2017_December_5. Also what about journalistic integrity? The ultimate source is a faithful description of the mere facts. Wakari07 (talk) 08:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
You may be interested in this. Wakari07 (talk) 00:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC) I guess this is PoV. Wakari07 (talk) 09:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Rossiya Segodnya is a government-controlled press agency, of which there are many examples around the world. 09:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC) Wakari07 (talk) 12:56, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Should we start a page valid source? Wakari07 (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
There's a LOT of government supported news sources on Wikipedia. C-SPAN, PBS, Voice of America, the British Broadcasting Corporation, or Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Deutsche Welle, Al-Jazeera, etc. The same policy should hold for those others too. CaribDigita (talk) 03:49, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
You say "government supported". The WP article on Rossiya Segodnia currently writes that it is "wholly owned and operated" by government. Would here be a clue? Is this not (simply, basically) political difference, the existence of a plural number of "cities" on one planet? Wakari07 (talk) 13:03, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Otherwise we'd maybe end up with only one source. I think that's not preferable, for now. Wakari07 (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Did you check Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources? Wakari07 (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Also Wikipedia:POLCON, the WP policy & guideline on conflicts between advice pages. Wakari07 (talk) 14:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Four basic criteria for staying power: WP:PRIMARY, WP:AGENDA, WP:SPECULATION, WP:CLUTTER. But that may be my WP:POV. Wakari07 (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018

So the 2017 WikiCup has come to an end. Congratulations to the winner, to the other finalists and to all those who took part. 177 contestants signed up, more than usual, but not all of them submitted entries in the first round. Were editors attracted by the cash prizes offered for the first time this year, or were these irrelevant? Do the rules and scoring need changing for the 2018 WikiCup? If you have a view on these or other matters, why not join in the WikiCup discussion about next year's contest? Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email), Godot13 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

White space between boxes are back...

Looks like the same issue that hit us back in October, as per this archived Talk page topic, is back again. I'm going to go ahead and ping Mr. Stradivarius and John of Reading as they seemed to figure out the problem last time. --IJBall (contribstalk) 04:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: This one was easier: I've tweaked the "pp-vandalism" notice at the top of three daily subpages. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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